I think there are things like lung and heart size which matter. Also, age at transition. An elite male marathoner who transitions at age 30 is different than a male who transitions at 15.
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Maybe we just have to realize females are poor women athletes. And males are the most naturally gifted women athletes.
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I agree. Most sports it shouldn’t even be considered.
Yes agreed. I am not sure on say regular marathon if elite former male on female HRT beats the best / elite women. I am not saying the opposite though either. I don’t think we know. There are advantages and disadvantages to being a transwomen in an endurance sport.
Most sports, there is only advantages over women by being a trans woman. I don’t think it is true in some endurance sports (there are also disadvantages).
I also am not advocating that trans women should compete against women in endurance sports. Just that we shouldn’t be so confident about there being an advantage in that realm.
In regards to endurance events, I think there are advantages and disadvantages to being a trans woman. I am not convinced it is fair or unfair.
Fixed it for you. Bigger, faster, stronger. Whenever those are an advantage, men will have the advantage.
Agreed, they’re actually men playing women’s sports.
In general (not always), women’s sports are a lower level of the men’s version. I care a lot less about maintaining “fair play” and “parity” the lower the league (nfl vs college vs high school, etc).
It’s an issue when (scholarship) money is on the line at colleges, but I don’t really see an issue with a trans girl playing in a girls HS league. It’s honestly rare enough that it isn’t much different than a STUD uconn commit dominating her local HS bball league. Just better competition to play against. It will be the very rare exception to have girls playing against a dominant transgitl athlete.
Women’s sports are the lower level of the male version. Highschool boys routinely beat professional female records. Track and field, tennis, soccer, volleyball etc.
A trans female in high school is rare. However, if she decides to compete she will most likely be dominant.
Yeah not that much different, except for the biology.
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I acknowledge that they’re biologically males even with sexual reassignment. Psychologically, it’s a different thing for them. That’s the part I also accept.
If your opinion is that it’s a mental disorder, we can agree to disagree.
It’s the same with homosexuality.
For transgenders in sports, I agree biological males shouldn’t be competing with females.
“But anyone can claim they’re a teapot or Optimus Prime psychologically.”
Let the guys with proper credentials in the relevant medical fields sort this out.
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That’s an interesting position, but I think it runs into issues down the line. For instance, as soon as trans women athletes are integrated into HS sports the push will intensify for college, then for pro. This is an instance (biology and biological rules are at play) where I don’t think it is smart to open Pandora’s box in the way you suggest.
That still leaves some serious questions unanswered though. It’s surely a complicated situation.
I know some people may be surprised to hear me take this position, but I am of the opinion that it is at least largely a mental issue in the vast majority of trans people. I don’t think the same is likely true for homosexuals. I am aware of true intersex genetic expression and do not place those people in the category.
But I am fine with agreeing to disagree. As long as we can agree (and I think we do) that minors should not be making transition decisions. The brain doesn’t fully develop until the early/mid 20s, so I don’t think it is smart at any level.
Despite me putting my uneducated opinion out there in the above post, I still agree with this too. Let them figure it out.
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Yeah, I think we can meet in the middle here. I’m aware some of the trandgenders I’ve met aren’t really right mentally, but I don’t know if it’s because of a result of accumulated trauma from supressing and then finally expressing their sexuality with further social repercussions, or if they were not of sound mind to begin with so my thought process is simply to give them the benefit of the doubt and let the experts make that call.
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Why would anyone be surprised to hear you take that position? Of course, I also wouldn’t be surprised to hear that you believe the guy that thinks he’s Elvis has some mental issues.
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Why? Because males are naturally better women athletes? Maybe the females should just accept they’re worse off women athletes instead of asking male women to go elsewhere for women’s sports.
Could you imagine if ever a race seemed to dominant certain sports and we asked them to stop competing with everyone else in those sports/positions.
Anyways, gotta go. Keep it up while I’m gone. You the man.
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Well, you could let males chemically transition before puberty and see what happens lol. Wanna try that?
But seriously, they’ve allegedly roided up most female athletes pre-puberty in some sports in China and we’ve not seen them break any male records yet.
I’m totally fine meeting there. And you’re right, the potential for suppression and then massive repercussions after coming to terms with well… ANYTHING… can have profound consequences. For that matter simply dealing with social repercussions without the suppression can lead to serious consequences.
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