Arrows vs

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
Pardon the thread resurrection gentlemen.

Idaho (or anyone else who cares to weigh in), how conducive is trad archery to self-teaching? For most practical weapons/hth skills I’m a pretty big believer in the idea that most people who are self-taught are often taught by fools. The bad habits ingrained can be more harmful than not training at all.

Part of the appeal with archery, however is the idea that I could practice on my own schedule, with limited ongoing costs. This is probably naive of me, but it sounds good in theory.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Like with any weapons training or Martial Arts, a solid , basic foundation is required for consistency and accuracy. I would suggest acquiring a copy of a book called " Instinctive Shooting" by G.Fred Asbell. He has written 4 books on the subject, but, this was his first, published in the late 80’s.

Archery requires consistency on form, draw, anchor point, and release. His book is a basic primer that covers these steps in a very user friendly way and is inexpensive.

Yes, traditional archery can be practiced almost anywhere you have a backstop for the arrows. I have carried a take-down recurve bow in my backpack throughout the Middle East and South West Asia. I have shot in hangers, garages, landfills, behind T-walls, bomb bunkers, deserts, and river banks. In my house in the states, I have a shooting lane in the basement, plus targets and backstops on my little piece of land.

The greatest benefit from the traditional archery is improving your ability to concentrate, because after the basics are ingrained, your ability to focus will determine how accurate you are. I have heard that golf requires the same level of focus.

My ability to focus on shooting the bow has transferred over to shooting firearms, especially pistols, where focus on the front sight is paramount.

I have actually given training in shooting a traditional bow to some foreign units, just to improve their ability to concentrate on the target.

Yes, you can practice anytime that fits your schedule.

Besides, the flight of an arrow is truly a beautiful thing to see:))

Any way I can help, just let me know.[/quote]

Thanks Idaho. That’s helpful and much appreciated.

By “self-teaching” I did mean with the aid of a few good books and other resources, just in the absence of formal one on one coaching.

It is precisely the focus, simplicity, and self reliance of archery practice that appeal to me. And I agree, it is a beautiful thing.

I remember you commenting on carry over from archery to front sight focus in an earlier thread and that is definitely a plus. I am cross hand/eye dominant (which can be a challenge for rifle shooting but doesn’t bother me much with pistol). Interested to see how that goes with a bow.

Thanks again for the reply. Be safe.

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
Pardon the thread resurrection gentlemen.
[/quote]
No need. Resurrecting guys shooting things with medieval weaponry is always cool.

[quote]
Idaho (or anyone else who cares to weigh in), how conducive is trad archery to self-teaching? For most practical weapons/hth skills I’m a pretty big believer in the idea that most people who are self-taught are often taught by fools. The bad habits ingrained can be more harmful than not training at all.

Part of the appeal with archery, however is the idea that I could practice on my own schedule, with limited ongoing costs. This is probably naive of me, but it sounds good in theory.
Thoughts?[/quote]

I have zero practical ability in archery. My understanding is that it is important to have a bow that fits you in terms of draw, draw length(is that even a thing. Basically, a male gymnast and a pro basketball player shouldn’t use the same bow), and arrow length. Archery pro shops do this (not sure if they would all do it for traditional bows). Most also offer lessons to get you off to an “ok enough” start.

Something to consider is that if you are training traditional archery, or any traditional/esoteric pursuit, for focus/mental effect than it sort of changes the way “good” and “bad” are evaluated compared to combatives training, firearms use, ect. Idaho has writen about the benefits of mental and visual focus from archery carrying over into other more practical venues(specifically shooting and decision making in the chaos of violent encounters). So, if you improve your focus that is a win, even if you never develop into a an archer who would be a weapon when “shooting for blood”.

Musashi wrote about being able to find/practice The Way in all things, but I think archery is more likely to get you there than say, online video games. To that end I would start combing Amazon for the book idaho suggested.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Thanks Robert, good to talk again. Your insights are always welcome and appreciated. Your thoughts on this subject seem to generally mirror my own.

Thanks for the welcome back. I’m still climbing the recruiting mountain. Things are ridiculously tight hiring-wise at the local agency I’ve been focused on, and it’s time to cast a wider net.

Fortunately(?) for me, I’m much longer on dogged determination than I am on good sense, so I expect I’ll keep on banging it out until it happens for me. Maybe once they see my fearsome tactical archery skillz, they’ll fall over themselves to hire me :wink:

All the best. Be safe.

[quote]batman730 wrote:
Thanks Robert, good to talk again. Your insights are always welcome and appreciated. Your thoughts on this subject seem to generally mirror my own.

Thanks for the welcome back. I’m still climbing the recruiting mountain. Things are ridiculously tight hiring-wise at the local agency I’ve been focused on, and it’s time to cast a wider net.

Fortunately(?) for me, I’m much longer on dogged determination than I am on good sense, so I expect I’ll keep on banging it out until it happens for me. Maybe once they see my fearsome tactical archery skillz, they’ll fall over themselves to hire me :wink:

All the best. Be safe.[/quote]

I don’t know how far you are willing to put that net, but Calgary and Edmonton are always looking for people and both are EXCELLENT services to work for from what I hear.

[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
Thanks Robert, good to talk again. Your insights are always welcome and appreciated. Your thoughts on this subject seem to generally mirror my own.

Thanks for the welcome back. I’m still climbing the recruiting mountain. Things are ridiculously tight hiring-wise at the local agency I’ve been focused on, and it’s time to cast a wider net.

Fortunately(?) for me, I’m much longer on dogged determination than I am on good sense, so I expect I’ll keep on banging it out until it happens for me. Maybe once they see my fearsome tactical archery skillz, they’ll fall over themselves to hire me :wink:

All the best. Be safe.[/quote]

I don’t know how far you are willing to put that net, but Calgary and Edmonton are always looking for people and both are EXCELLENT services to work for from what I hear. [/quote]

Thanks man. I’ve heard that too. I’d be game, but my wife wants to exhaust a few more options before we play the Alberta card. Appreciate the input just the same.

Have we covered killing a Nazi with a bow and arrow?

Because Lieutenant Colonel John Malcolm Thorpe Fleming “Jack”/“Fighting Jack”/“Mad Jack” Churchill did that.

Wiki

[quote]From Wikipedia:
In May 1940 Churchill and his unit, the Manchester Regiment, ambushed a German patrol near L’Epinette, France. Churchill gave the signal to attack by cutting down the enemy Feldwebel (sergeant) with a barbed arrow, becoming the only British soldier known to have felled an enemy with a longbow in WWII. According to his son Malcolm, “He and his section were in a tower and as the Germans approached he said ‘I will shoot that first German with an arrow,’ and that’s exactly what he did.”[/quote]

He also carried a basket hilt broadsword because in his words “any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed.”

Fighting WWII with Sword & Bow - YouTube

I am such a pussy.

Regards,

Robert A


Not in the same league as " Mad Jack"(but who is?) these 3 archers had some serious balls. The first is a picture of Saxton Pope and Art Young,in 1925 with a longbow lion kill. The second is one of my favorites, Bill Negley, who took all of the Big Five with a recurve bow, WITHOUT firearms backup.I highly recommend his book, “Archer in Africa”, in which he details his hunts in a brutally honest account and is a window into a era which will never be repeated.


Bill Negley


Bill Negley

First thing about the Negley photo with the elephant was the fact he had no quiver. Of course I don’t imagine a chance for a “follow up” was likely.

Doing that without firearms backup is pretty much free climbing. It is either suicidal or amazing depending on how you look at it.

Awesome photos.

Regards,

Robert A

A little light humor, sent today from a colleague currently serving in South America.


My colleague found a picture of Chris Hayes taking archery lessions.

The title for this one was " tired of eating nuts"


The beginnings of modern archery.


This would make a nice avatar and time for me to shut up.

Good stuff!! Sadly I won’t be archery hunting this year due to injury.

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Good stuff!! Sadly I won’t be archery hunting this year due to injury. [/quote]

I hope you have a total recovery and I also hope it’s not a shoulder injury, which is the bane of archery. I feel your pain about a lost season. I will not be in the states until the middle of December. I am trying to arrange a hog hunt around the last few days of the year. Good luck with your recovery.

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Good stuff!! Sadly I won’t be archery hunting this year due to injury. [/quote]

I hope you have a total recovery and I also hope it’s not a shoulder injury, which is the bane of archery. I feel your pain about a lost season. I will not be in the states until the middle of December. I am trying to arrange a hog hunt around the last few days of the year. Good luck with your recovery. [/quote]

I second the hope for a full and routine recovery.

[quote]idaho wrote:
This would make a nice avatar and time for me to shut up.[/quote]

I like “Tired of Eating Nuts” better.

Of course I have an established bias for anthopomorphised and armed animals for avatars, or movie characters, ect.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Good stuff!! Sadly I won’t be archery hunting this year due to injury. [/quote]

I hope you have a total recovery and I also hope it’s not a shoulder injury, which is the bane of archery. I feel your pain about a lost season. I will not be in the states until the middle of December. I am trying to arrange a hog hunt around the last few days of the year. Good luck with your recovery. [/quote]

I second the hope for a full and routine recovery. [/quote]

Thanks guys. Working on the recovery part.

Going to focus on fall turkey with a shotgun this year. I will bring some death.

Fellas,

I’m planning to start bow hunting next fall. I joined an archery club that has club bows, but I need to get my own gear. I’m looking for opinions on equipment outside of the club as most of the members don’t hunt (?) and their bows are meant to shoot at targets.

I’m looking for a compound and hunting for deer, moose, possibly bear, and members of ISIS.

What should I be looking at?