Oh yeah, I also didn’t like Arnold’s abs that much, but he can sure make them pretty by drawing attention to his awesome chest and arms and sucking his abs right in. I wonder if Ronnie can do the same with his HGH gut.
Personally I think Serge Nubret has even better symmetry and proportions than Arnold. His chest was also bigger
The video was interesting, but it would have been more “useful” if it had them doing the same poses one after another. Much easier to compare them that way.
[quote]Misterhamper wrote:
Personally I think Serge Nubret has even better symmetry and proportions than Arnold. His chest was also bigger[/quote]
i disagree, i cant find ne pics right now but if you watch pumping iron IMO arnold looks better and the judges agree as he beats serge. also serge had no calves
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Personally I think Serge Nubret has even better symmetry and proportions than Arnold. His chest was also bigger
i disagree, i cant find ne pics right now but if you watch pumping iron IMO arnold looks better and the judges agree as he beats serge. also serge had no calves[/quote]
Serge is probably the closest physique you will find when looking for proportion and symmetry …compared to Arnold. Arnold had more as a whole but Serge had his strong points.
Serge had a better balanced chest than Arnold’s …but not nearly as impressive in size or how full Arnold’s looked from the front. Calves …Serge had none, genetics are bitch. As for a V-Taper and small waistline, Serge was just a smaller version of Arnold …Serge with a smaller waist and 40 lbs less of muscle.
Serge is a strong contender for the 2nd best body ever built in my opinion. Arnold …then everyone else. I would give Serge a strong runner-up vote. Sure! There’s another impressive bodybuilder that looked good.
When it comes to physiques & aesthetics, Both Arnold & Serge will be at the top of the list …Ronnie wouldn’t even be on the same page. In fact, he’s not even allowed in the book. He’s in the book of monsterous proportions… he’s there with Platz’s Legs, Quadzilla, Franco’s lats, and juice monster monthly magazine’s finest .
merlin
It’s commonly known that Serge was not in his best shape at that Olympia due to several reasons. If you look at him one week out he looked unbeatable.
[quote]merlin wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Personally I think Serge Nubret has even better symmetry and proportions than Arnold. His chest was also bigger
i disagree, i cant find ne pics right now but if you watch pumping iron IMO arnold looks better and the judges agree as he beats serge. also serge had no calves
Serge is probably the closest physique you will find when looking for proportion and symmetry …compared to Arnold. Arnold had more as a whole but Serge had his strong points.
Serge had a better balanced chest than Arnold’s …but not nearly as impressive in size or how full Arnold’s looked from the front. Calves …Serge had none, genetics are bitch. As for a V-Taper and small waistline, Serge was just a smaller version of Arnold …Serge with a smaller waist and 40 lbs less of muscle.
Serge is a strong contender for the 2nd best body ever built in my opinion. Arnold …then everyone else. I would give Serge a strong runner-up vote. Sure! There’s another impressive bodybuilder that looked good.
When it comes to physiques & aesthetics, Both Arnold & Serge will be at the top of the list …Ronnie wouldn’t even be on the same page. In fact, he’s not even allowed in the book. He’s in the book of monsterous proportions… he’s there with Platz’s Legs, Quadzilla, Franco’s lats, and juice monster monthly magazine’s finest .
merlin[/quote]
http://www.boerseun.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/arnold_schwarzenegger.jpg
i dont think serges chest is more balanced,if nething there basically the same except arnolds is bigger. dont get me wrong though serge’s chest is awesome
But, given the pervasive racism back then, no non-white man was going to beat a white one no matter how much better he was. This is why sergio oliva lost to arnold.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
merlin wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Personally I think Serge Nubret has even better symmetry and proportions than Arnold. His chest was also bigger
i disagree, i cant find ne pics right now but if you watch pumping iron IMO arnold looks better and the judges agree as he beats serge. also serge had no calves
Serge is probably the closest physique you will find when looking for proportion and symmetry …compared to Arnold. Arnold had more as a whole but Serge had his strong points.
Serge had a better balanced chest than Arnold’s …but not nearly as impressive in size or how full Arnold’s looked from the front. Calves …Serge had none, genetics are bitch. As for a V-Taper and small waistline, Serge was just a smaller version of Arnold …Serge with a smaller waist and 40 lbs less of muscle.
Serge is a strong contender for the 2nd best body ever built in my opinion. Arnold …then everyone else. I would give Serge a strong runner-up vote. Sure! There’s another impressive bodybuilder that looked good.
When it comes to physiques & aesthetics, Both Arnold & Serge will be at the top of the list …Ronnie wouldn’t even be on the same page. In fact, he’s not even allowed in the book. He’s in the book of monsterous proportions… he’s there with Platz’s Legs, Quadzilla, Franco’s lats, and juice monster monthly magazine’s finest .
merlin
http://www.boerseun.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/arnold_schwarzenegger.jpg
i dont think serges chest is more balanced,if nething there basically the same except arnolds is bigger. dont get me wrong though serge’s chest is awesome
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Serge has the right proportions od upper & lower chest to give him the square look. Arnold had so much OUTER chest that his chest would never be balanced. He would have a hell of a time trying to get his upper inner portions to match his lower outer area. I like Arnolds’ chest better. It looks better and fuller …but Serge clearly has a more balanced chest …his is just less impressive to me and not nearly as dense. Arnold had some thick slabs of meat on his chest.
Its all opinion really. Some like a more square look. I don’t, not when you can shape it like Arnold did. He buldged out the sides and had a really impressive chest with the rest of it having fully dense muscle. His chest was well developed all over, but he had that rare outer chest titty look …I’m still working on that. Dips and decline flyes fellas, that’s what has been working for me. You can’t shape your muscles. But you can mess with the proportions and sort of reshape them by volume in certain areas and less in others.
Depending on how you view “shaping” …you CAN and CAN’T reshape your muscles. You can exaggerate them in certain areas and change the shape(depth or volume), but you can’t change (shape) by insertion points or genetic legnths and what not.
merlin
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
But, given the pervasive racism back then, no non-white man was going to beat a white one no matter how much better he was. This is why sergio oliva lost to arnold.[/quote]
first off arnold is better then sergio oliva, and secondly the olympia’s were not all held in the states some in africa others in europe. racist tensions were only high in the states, with tht said the olympia judges were not all americans and racism played a small part. how could you say tht when sergio beat arnold the first time they competed, and hes cuban
Let’s cut the crap, Ronnis bigger, no doubt… Look, Arnold was the best in his time, Ronnie may very well be the best of all time thus far. It’s like football players of the old, a lot of them wouldn’t even make it nowadays; whether it be because of different types of steroids and other technological breakthroughs… Well, o.k.
[quote]merlin wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Misterhamper wrote:
Personally I think Serge Nubret has even better symmetry and proportions than Arnold. His chest was also bigger
i disagree, i cant find ne pics right now but if you watch pumping iron IMO arnold looks better and the judges agree as he beats serge. also serge had no calves
Serge is probably the closest physique you will find when looking for proportion and symmetry …compared to Arnold. Arnold had more as a whole but Serge had his strong points.
Serge had a better balanced chest than Arnold’s …but not nearly as impressive in size or how full Arnold’s looked from the front. Calves …Serge had none, genetics are bitch. As for a V-Taper and small waistline, Serge was just a smaller version of Arnold …Serge with a smaller waist and 40 lbs less of muscle.
Serge is a strong contender for the 2nd best body ever built in my opinion. Arnold …then everyone else. I would give Serge a strong runner-up vote. Sure! There’s another impressive bodybuilder that looked good.
When it comes to physiques & aesthetics, Both Arnold & Serge will be at the top of the list …Ronnie wouldn’t even be on the same page. In fact, he’s not even allowed in the book. He’s in the book of monsterous proportions… he’s there with Platz’s Legs, Quadzilla, Franco’s lats, and juice monster monthly magazine’s finest .
merlin[/quote]
Great posts Merlin...
I always held high regard for Nubret as well, probably the two most stunning and dare I say it…beautiful male physiques ever built through hard work and minimal, by todays standards, amounts of gear.
Arnie, it's kind of sad to see how he looks today, but the man has a special drive and decided to do what his heart called him to do...he knew he had his day, and didn't care about "looking good" I suppose..as long as he met his next "goal" of politics..
I think in his later days his legs wained, but in his actual heyday, they were pretty impressive. There's just never gonna be that charisma and symettry anytime soon..On the flip side, look at Serge now, along with his ergonomic aids.lol...he looks fantastic still...Amazing even with the fact of roiding IMO.
Symetry can't be beat for quality of look...
good thread btw Op.
ToneBone
[quote]tonydank wrote:
Let’s cut the crap, Ronnis bigger, no doubt… Look, Arnold was the best in his time, Ronnie may very well be the best of all time thus far. It’s like football players of the old, a lot of them wouldn’t even make it nowadays; whether it be because of different types of steroids and other technological breakthroughs… Well, o.k.[/quote]
By saying that, you’re implying that bigger should always be better.
[quote]tonydank wrote:
Let’s cut the crap, Ronnis bigger, no doubt… Look, Arnold was the best in his time, Ronnie may very well be the best of all time thus far. It’s like football players of the old, a lot of them wouldn’t even make it nowadays; whether it be because of different types of steroids and other technological breakthroughs… Well, o.k.[/quote]
You should cut the crap Tony. Some of those old players would run the fuck right over these players we have today. Jim Brown & Jack Lambert would show you the error in your ways.
Don’t even make me go get a Jack Lambert “youtube clip” …I’ll do it! I’m 3 clicks away from it.
merlin
[quote]tonydank wrote:
Let’s cut the crap, Ronnis bigger, no doubt… Look, Arnold was the best in his time, Ronnie may very well be the best of all time thus far. It’s like football players of the old, a lot of them wouldn’t even make it nowadays; whether it be because of different types of steroids and other technological breakthroughs… Well, o.k.[/quote]
That’s a performance question. Modern sports people would beat those of the past generally because the experience and science that is devoted to the sport helps the players get closer to optimal. However re-raise the sportsmen of the past in the new ways and many of the same guys that were top in the past would rise again now (though some wouldnt).
In BBing it isnt just performance measured in mass or it would be any old mass monster, or just a measure - lbs of lean tissue per inch of height or some such. It’s supposed to be about the ideal muscular physique and because that is subjective it’s gone off whatever rails it may once have travelled.
I’d say Arnold looks better, but i’d also suspect that the average line up of the 1970’s would be able to outperform, in athletic terms, the modern line up on competition day if only because today’s line up is so dried up, so cut, so heavy with lean tissue they’ve lost functional ability. Ronnie is immensely strong off season though, kind of a loss to powerlifting! Actually a John Grimek turning up and doing acrobatics and handstand pushups would show them! hehe.
If folks wanted the Arnold look back in BBing then vacuum poses and twisting kneeling poses would be mandatory and a higher score weighting would be given to the posing routine.
[quote]Great posts Merlin...
I always held high regard for Nubret as well, probably the two most stunning and dare I say it…beautiful male physiques ever built through hard work and minimal, by todays standards, amounts of gear.
Arnie, it's kind of sad to see how he looks today, but the man has a special drive and decided to do what his heart called him to do...he knew he had his day, and didn't care about "looking good" I suppose..as long as he met his next "goal" of politics..
I think in his later days his legs wained, but in his actual heyday, they were pretty impressive. There's just never gonna be that charisma and symettry anytime soon..On the flip side, look at Serge now, along with his ergonomic aids.lol...he looks fantastic still...Amazing even with the fact of roiding IMO.
Symetry can't be beat for quality of look...
good thread btw Op.
ToneBone
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i heard those recent photos w/ arnie on the beach were photoshopped, im not sure though
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
i heard those recent photos w/ arnie on the beach were photoshopped, im not sure though
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Who cares, Arnold is 152 years old now! We know what he looked like when he was in his prime …THE BEST!
Arnold could be built like Woody Allen today and I would still say he had the best physique ever.
merlin
[quote]merlin wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
i heard those recent photos w/ arnie on the beach were photoshopped, im not sure though
Who cares, Arnold is 152 years old now! We know what he looked like when he was in his prime …THE BEST!
Arnold could be built like Woody Allen today and I would still say he had the best physique ever.
merlin[/quote]
agreed
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
merlin wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
i heard those recent photos w/ arnie on the beach were photoshopped, im not sure though
Who cares, Arnold is 152 years old now! We know what he looked like when he was in his prime …THE BEST!
Arnold could be built like Woody Allen today and I would still say he had the best physique ever.
merlin
agreed
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here here!!
Here’s a little tribute to the 70’s. This is how they used to do it. I don’t wanna hear no shit about today’s competitors “Tony”…they’re…PUSSY-FYED!!! they would cry their eyes out if they had their Roids taken away from them and they had to live on the 70’s competitors roid-petite/ appetite.
Arnold was the real deal when it came to building muscle. He did it the old school way.
Here’ meet Jack Lambert… another member of the 70’s …take a look at how they did things.
Inspiring. I play linebacker and that just gave me a boost. So did Jack Lambert take steroids?