[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Does not look weird to me at all.[/quote]
ZOMG HIS MUSCLES LOOK DIFFERENT THOUGH!!!1
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The muscle just looks different.[/quote]
DURRRRRRRR
After 5 lines of uneducated drivel about premature steroid use
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Pics are up. Lesukov’s hamstrings are simply unbelievable. And I have no idea what the fuss is about his chest. The only thing he needs to work on is quad sweep, specifically the width of the vastus lateralis from the front shots.
He will dominate the 202 division soon enough. Doesnt have pro quality conditioning at all but theres nothing to hold him back, muscle wise. [/quote]
Hes 225 at the Arnold, why would he drop down to 202 unless hes given up all hope of competing with the big guys?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I dont care what you said afterwards. Talking about imbalances has nothing to do with the fact that you said that STEROIDS CHANGE THE WAY THE MUSCLE LOOKS. [/quote]
? Really? You are still at this? Where the fuck was this written? Further, how is it you don’t understand what I was saying when I just showed you in the first post about any steroid use and Alex I already explained it?
Look, I know you won’t admit you fucked up here. You are way too busy making sure I never misspell a name or acting like an ass.
[quote]
I already told you why I disagree with your ‘keeping track’ issue and you had no reply, because you have no experience there.
Youre talking out of your ass. Why is is it so hard to admit that you said something goofy? Its the internet, reputation doesnt exist because for all anyone knows, anyone could simply make a new account and ‘reset’ their reputation.
Keep bitching about getting ganged up on. I dont see you defending the newb who asks why his biceps wont grow when 2 dozen people flame him. What a clown. [/quote]
I said something goofy? I do believe I have explained myself pretty fucking well in this thread. The simple fact is, you would have tried to find fault in anything I wrote simply because I wrote it. You haven’t called out ONE other person in this thread even though others wrote quite a bit with posts much like mine.
You fucked up. It’s ok. One day, you can build that ego back up.
[quote]Kvetch wrote:
IMHO height classes would lead to more consistent judging.[/quote]
Not at all. If you make the cutoff 5’8" (just a number I picked out; pick any you want) the bodybuilder who is 5’7" will have the chance to dominate but the bodybuilder who is 5’8 will never have the chance to dominate. It will not affect consistently at all because the criteria remain the same. Height is not a criterion. Tall and short classes wont change judging, it will just arbitrarily cut off certain competitors chances of success.
Its too biased since adults can not change their height but they can change the amount they weigh . 202 (or IMO 215) is a purer form of a cutoff.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I dont care what you said afterwards. Talking about imbalances has nothing to do with the fact that you said that STEROIDS CHANGE THE WAY THE MUSCLE LOOKS. [/quote]
? Really? You are still at this? Where the fuck was this written? Further, how is it you don’t understand what I was saying when I just showed you in the first post about any steroid use and Alex I already explained it?
Look, I know you won’t admit you fucked up here. You are way too busy making sure I never misspell a name or acting like an ass.
Yea you explained it so well. 100% spot on with all of it. King of T-Nation REIGNS SUPREME !!!
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Yea you explained it so well. 100% spot on with all of it. King of TNation REIGNS SUPREME !!![/quote]
Bullshit. You jumped into the last thread because I accidentally spelled Branch Warren’s name first name last. Your goal then was to force me to admit I was wrong. You are CLEARLY fucking wrong here…so where is the “I screwed up”?
Someone so fucking judgmental of me should at the very fucking least be expected to perform in the exact same way they have been chasing me around the forum with.
But you won’t.
I mean, Waylander is bringing up shit never even posted…but he won’t call THOSE people out.
We get it…I must be some kind of challenge for you because if I wasn’t, you wouldn’t feel some strange need to follow me around acting like a police dog.
Good show here…dude.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Yea you explained it so well. 100% spot on with all of it. King of T-Nation REIGNS SUPREME !!![/quote]
Bullshit. You jumped into the last thread because I accidentally spelled Branch Warren’s name first name last. Your goal then was to force me to admit I was wrong. You are CLEARLY fucking wrong here…so where is the “I screwed up”?
Someone so fucking judgmental of me should at the very fucking least be expected to perform in the exact same way they have been chasing me around the forum with.
But you won’t.
I mean, Waylander is bringing up shit never even posted…but he won’t call THOSE people out.
We get it…I must be some kind of challenge for you because if I wasn’t, you wouldn’t feel some strange need to follow me around acting like a police dog.
Good show here…dude.[/quote]
sigh
You don’t get it do you, you said a bunch of dumb stuff and some of us are giving you shit on your ridiculous “reasoning” of why you said this dumb stuff.
Detazathoth, stop ganging up on him. I just got a phone call from his mum, and the poor lad’s been in his room crying all day. He didn’t even touch his hamburgers when she called him down for dinner. I hope you’re fucking happy, Bonez.
LOL.
To the two little balls hanging on…if you disagree with something I write, then step to me like a fucking grown up and discuss it. There was no argument or thread derail going on here before you all jumped in. I even wrote this earlier, that I don’t even mind someone disagreeing with me but understand the freaking argument first…but this bullshit is childish.
From the looks of things, most of you didn’t even read the thread before jumping in.
Congrats again on the performance here.
I give this one “some 'ole bullshit”.
Can anyone post the results?
Damn, these forums are shit. Thank god for the top of the line products they sell here.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Kvetch wrote:
IMHO height classes would lead to more consistent judging.[/quote]
Not at all. If you make the cutoff 5’8" (just a number I picked out; pick any you want) the bodybuilder who is 5’7" will have the chance to dominate but the bodybuilder who is 5’8 will never have the chance to dominate. It will not affect consistently at all because the criteria remain the same. Height is not a criterion. Tall and short classes wont change judging, it will just arbitrarily cut off certain competitors chances of success.
Its too biased since adults can not change their height but they can change the amount they weigh . 202 (or IMO 215) is a purer form of a cutoff. [/quote]
Fair points, I don’t disagree with you. You would ideally want a separate class for each “inch”. I still think its better just wildly impractical 
At least for me, height does make it harder to evaluate the criteria but perhaps real judges are more cunning. Is a 20" arm on 5’7" better than the same arm attached to a taller dude? I would say yes but I don’t think everyone agrees. Tall and short dudes also tend to have different “flow” that brings in more subjectivity.
I don’t understand why height classes would be a bias or what a purer cut-off means exactly (difficult to measure accurately?). For me, it seems to detract from the sport for someone to limit their physique to meet a weight criteria compared to putting together their best package and being grouped together with people of roughly the same height.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Detazathoth, stop ganging up on him. I just got a phone call from his mum, and the poor lad’s been in his room crying all day. He didn’t even touch his hamburgers when she called him down for dinner. I hope you’re fucking happy, Bonez.[/quote]
I’ve been catching up on this thread this morning but this ^^ mad me laugh and spit out a bit of my shake. Touche good sir, that was hilarious.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL.
To the two little balls hanging on…if you disagree with something I write, then step to me like a fucking grown up and discuss it. There was no argument or thread derail going on here before you all jumped in. I even wrote this earlier, that I don’t even mind someone disagreeing with me but understand the freaking argument first…but this bullshit is childish.
From the looks of things, most of you didn’t even read the thread before jumping in.
Congrats again on the performance here.
I give this one “some 'ole bullshit”.[/quote]
You said using steroids “too early” makes the muscle look different, that’s a stupid statement. I’m making fun of you for it. The end.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Detazathoth, stop ganging up on him. I just got a phone call from his mum, and the poor lad’s been in his room crying all day. He didn’t even touch his hamburgers when she called him down for dinner. I hope you’re fucking happy, Bonez.[/quote]
Shit, and here I am just wanted to use the Hangover quote about him not being a doctor, just a dentist.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I think it’s hilarious that YOU and others are actually arguing that because he has a baby face and apparently tiny wrists, all his growth is due to steroids.
God forbid he have small joints! I mean after all, that’s a hall mark of a great bodybuilder isn’t it?
You are a doctor, right? So you know that androgens in steroids will cause masculinzing effects to some degree even in males, correct? So using his young looks to make a point about this is once again, hysterical.
You can go ahead and admit now that you’re just upset that someone so young at that level makes you feel insecure and we can end the argument.[/quote]
? I didn’t say anything about his baby face. That was whiteflash. Why are you not calling him out at all?
I didn’t say anything about his joints. I believe that was C_C.
So, let me get this straight…you are pissed at ME…for shit I didn’t write…but you aren’t pissed at the people who wrote it?
LO fuckingL[/quote]
Ok, big boy. I said “YOU and others”. YOU used their points in your argument to show that you aren’t the only one who thinks he looks weird so I addressed YOU in my post. What’s the problem there?
LO fuckingL
I’d say PX is probably right in saying that steroids at a young age would lead to a different level of development in the musculature of the body. certain muscles, probbly especially the truely high frequency ones like your erectors, massaters, and diaphram, would all hypertrophy to a much larger degree.
[quote]Kanada wrote:
I’d say PX is probably right in saying that steroids at a young age would lead to a different level of development in the musculature of the body. certain muscles, probbly especially the truely high frequency ones like your erectors, massaters, and diaphram, would all hypertrophy to a much larger degree.[/quote]
Way to not follow the argument at all. Yah he was definitely referring to the muscles in the jaw and the diaphragm…
[quote]Kanada wrote:
I’d say PX is probably right in saying that steroids at a young age would lead to a different level of development in the musculature of the body…[/quote]
Um thats not what he said, at all