Arms Won't Grow (Not Your Average Case)

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
To me all huge feats are impressive. But not all impressive feats are huge. That’s all. It’s not a contradiction but I don’t really care if you think otherwise. It was a silly attempt to discredit a portion of my post to make it seem as if the rest of my post that disagrees with your belief is also wrong. It was a poor attempt.

I hope you have a good time in your fantasy world where people build muscular 19" arms by doing rows and bench press.

If that works for you, great. But the overwhelming majority of humans can not develop impressive arms without training them. I think that is especially obvious in this particular case. The kid has never effectively trained his arms. According to him theyre lagging. That makes perfect sense to me. [/quote]

I never said you can develop impressive arms without training them. I stated that arms get a fairly good workout doing some of the exercises that the OP mentioned, which is true. Is it possible to do any back or chest work without training your arms? Not at all, they are required to complete every staple lift. If your lifting heavy and your doing the correct lifts, your arms are going to get a workout whether you like it or not.

And yes, your previous comment was a complete contradiction, you can use whatever quotes you need to make yourself feel otherwise. If you don’t like my suggestions you can pose your own, but to simply discredit them is unwise when they are a logical solution to a problem that has yet to be solved.

And I’m still leaning towards troll, do you have a quote to go against that?

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18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
To me all huge feats are impressive. But not all impressive feats are huge. That’s all. It’s not a contradiction but I don’t really care if you think otherwise. It was a silly attempt to discredit a portion of my post to make it seem as if the rest of my post that disagrees with your belief is also wrong. It was a poor attempt.

I hope you have a good time in your fantasy world where people build muscular 19" arms by doing rows and bench press.

If that works for you, great. But the overwhelming majority of humans can not develop impressive arms without training them. I think that is especially obvious in this particular case. The kid has never effectively trained his arms. According to him theyre lagging. That makes perfect sense to me.

I never said you can develop impressive arms without training them. I stated that arms get a fairly good workout doing some of the exercises that the OP mentioned, which is true. Is it possible to do any back or chest work without training your arms? Not at all, they are required to complete every staple lift. If your lifting heavy and your doing the correct lifts, your arms are going to get a workout whether you like it or not.

And yes, your previous comment was a complete contradiction, you can use whatever quotes you need to make yourself feel otherwise. If you don’t like my suggestions you can pose your own, but to simply discredit them is unwise when they are a logical solution to a problem that has yet to be solved.

And I’m still leaning towards troll, do you have a quote to go against that?[/quote]

First of all. Why would I care if he is a troll or not? It has no effect on my life or the advice I’ve given. Even if he is 100 pounds lighter than he claims my advice is still valid for someone with lagging arms.

Second. You are going in circles at this point. The kid said he wanted better arms. You said ‘stop training them directly’. Now you say that you don’t think impressive arms can be built without training them directly. Which is it? Keep in mind that it has already been established that the OP has not been effectively isolating his arms when attempting to train them.

And if you still don’t understand how what I said earlier wasn’t a contradiction after I explained the logic than I really have nothing else to say to you. What I said was completely irrelevant to the topic. You just picked it out to make my post sound less credible as a whole. That really didn’t work.

I’m done hijacking this thread with this nonsense. I wont respond anymore.

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.[/quote]

Well yes those would be small arms because

  1. He’s 5’8"

  2. He’s 245lbs

  3. I weigh 215lbs currently

  4. I am 6’

  5. Flexed my biceps are 18.5" and I am taller and weigh less then him so hmmm yes his arms would be small because he’s big and stocky he should have big ass arms at that weight. IMO

At least I hope to be pushing 20" flexed by the time I’m 240, 250.

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[quote]JonEightPackGuy wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.

Well yes those would be small arms because

  1. He’s 5’8"

  2. He’s 245lbs

  3. I weigh 215lbs currently

  4. I am 6’

  5. Flexed my biceps are 18.5" and I am taller and weigh less then him so hmmm yes his arms would be small because he’s big and stocky he should have big ass arms at that weight. IMO

At least I hope to be pushing 20" flexed by the time I’m 240, 250.[/quote]

18.5" on a 5’8 person will look a fuck ton bigger than on someone who is 6 feet, you have it backwards. For the record, I asked for pics because the guy spouted off all this crap about how awesome he is in his first post and says how he is predisposed for bodybuilding because of genetics. How can someone making that claim be afraid to post pics?

And claiming that 18.5" arms are small for his frame? That’s just bullshit, he’s obviously just fat if that is the case. I’m 275 and my arms are just over an inch bigger and they are definitely a dominant feature. Why? Because I’m not fat.

The entire premise of this thread is just dumb.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
JonEightPackGuy wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.

Well yes those would be small arms because

  1. He’s 5’8"

  2. He’s 245lbs

  3. I weigh 215lbs currently

  4. I am 6’

  5. Flexed my biceps are 18.5" and I am taller and weigh less then him so hmmm yes his arms would be small because he’s big and stocky he should have big ass arms at that weight. IMO

At least I hope to be pushing 20" flexed by the time I’m 240, 250.

18.5" on a 5’8 person will look a fuck ton bigger than on someone who is 6 feet, you have it backwards. For the record, I asked for pics because the guy spouted off all this crap about how awesome he is in his first post and says how he is predisposed for bodybuilding because of genetics. How can someone making that claim be afraid to post pics?

And claiming that 18.5" arms are small for his frame? That’s just bullshit, he’s obviously just fat if that is the case. I’m 275 and my arms are just over an inch bigger and they are definitely a dominant feature. Why? Because I’m not fat.

The entire premise of this thread is just dumb.[/quote]

Don’t you think that 18.5" on a 245 person is small though? I’m 5’7 with 17.something" arms (less than 17.5) and I weigh a bit under 180 right now. I consider my arms small. It’s all about perception, I think.

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But yes I certainly agree that someone with a big gut won’t look good sporting soft 18.5" arms. And I based my opinion off my friend who walks around at 5’8 240 with abs. His arms are a bit over 20" (the last time I asked). They look ‘right’ on that frame.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
JonEightPackGuy wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.

Well yes those would be small arms because

  1. He’s 5’8"

  2. He’s 245lbs

  3. I weigh 215lbs currently

  4. I am 6’

  5. Flexed my biceps are 18.5" and I am taller and weigh less then him so hmmm yes his arms would be small because he’s big and stocky he should have big ass arms at that weight. IMO

At least I hope to be pushing 20" flexed by the time I’m 240, 250.

18.5" on a 5’8 person will look a fuck ton bigger than on someone who is 6 feet, you have it backwards. For the record, I asked for pics because the guy spouted off all this crap about how awesome he is in his first post and says how he is predisposed for bodybuilding because of genetics. How can someone making that claim be afraid to post pics?

And claiming that 18.5" arms are small for his frame? That’s just bullshit, he’s obviously just fat if that is the case. I’m 275 and my arms are just over an inch bigger and they are definitely a dominant feature. Why? Because I’m not fat.

The entire premise of this thread is just dumb.[/quote]

Ah I’m tired, sorry if I mixed things up. This thread I thought in the beginning was going to be about advice for arms but then it went right off to stats and trolling.

I totally agree with this

Also, props for being 275 man that’s awesome. Ok I’m going to bed.

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Jon, but you have pretty big fucking arms for your size man. Very above avg. genetics in that department. And I’m very below average.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
JonEightPackGuy wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.

Well yes those would be small arms because

  1. He’s 5’8"

  2. He’s 245lbs

  3. I weigh 215lbs currently

  4. I am 6’

  5. Flexed my biceps are 18.5" and I am taller and weigh less then him so hmmm yes his arms would be small because he’s big and stocky he should have big ass arms at that weight. IMO

At least I hope to be pushing 20" flexed by the time I’m 240, 250.

18.5" on a 5’8 person will look a fuck ton bigger than on someone who is 6 feet, you have it backwards. For the record, I asked for pics because the guy spouted off all this crap about how awesome he is in his first post and says how he is predisposed for bodybuilding because of genetics. How can someone making that claim be afraid to post pics?

And claiming that 18.5" arms are small for his frame? That’s just bullshit, he’s obviously just fat if that is the case. I’m 275 and my arms are just over an inch bigger and they are definitely a dominant feature. Why? Because I’m not fat.

The entire premise of this thread is just dumb.[/quote]

Well, at least we learned nearly everyone on the thread benches 315 for 8, and at least one “interesting” measurement claim as well.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
JonEightPackGuy wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
18.5 inch arms at 245 is small? Shit, I’m fucked.

About the whole impressive arms BS at repping 315, I can get 315 x 8 and my arms are fucking pathetic (17 inches @ 220lbs). Triceps are just genetically really, really flat. Nice long head insertion by the elbow, but they’re flat like a fucking pancake.

I’d love to see some pics of the OP though. Sounds like a monster esp. at 17.

Well yes those would be small arms because

  1. He’s 5’8"

  2. He’s 245lbs

  3. I weigh 215lbs currently

  4. I am 6’

  5. Flexed my biceps are 18.5" and I am taller and weigh less then him so hmmm yes his arms would be small because he’s big and stocky he should have big ass arms at that weight. IMO

At least I hope to be pushing 20" flexed by the time I’m 240, 250.

18.5" on a 5’8 person will look a fuck ton bigger than on someone who is 6 feet, you have it backwards. For the record, I asked for pics because the guy spouted off all this crap about how awesome he is in his first post and says how he is predisposed for bodybuilding because of genetics. How can someone making that claim be afraid to post pics?

And claiming that 18.5" arms are small for his frame? That’s just bullshit, he’s obviously just fat if that is the case. I’m 275 and my arms are just over an inch bigger and they are definitely a dominant feature. Why? Because I’m not fat.

The entire premise of this thread is just dumb.

Don’t you think that 18.5" on a 245 person is small though? I’m 5’7 with 17.something" arms (less than 17.5) and I weigh a bit under 180 right now. I consider my arms small. It’s all about perception, I think.

edit

But yes I certainly agree that someone with a big gut won’t look good sporting soft 18.5" arms. And I based my opinion off my friend who walks around at 5’8 240 with abs. His arms are a bit over 20" (the last time I asked). They look ‘right’ on that frame. [/quote]

I think 18.5" will look small on someone who is a sloppy 245, which is exactly what I think the OP’s situation is. Of course if he is one of those people with a huge chest, it could make the arms appear to be lagging.

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[quote]mch60360 wrote:
My arms aren’t very big maybe 16" @ 190, but even when I was 240+ they weren’t better than 17.5. So what you are working with is pretty impressive. (sidenote I don’t think I was built for massive arms and havent given them much attention, my father-lifter as well- never had better than 19 at 285). So i’d say work on mind muscle like everyone else has said, keep eating and give it time. You havent been in this game for too long so 19-20 inches mite take awhile. [/quote]

If you had 17.5" arms at 240 you must have been a lardass. I’m a lardass and I sit at 255 with 18.5 inch arms and my arms do not look big at all I have not until recently started to curl (which I wish I would have focused on my arms early).

And being heavy, 250-300 and having 18+ arms is not impressive. Yes, being 250-300 while being muscular, but alone being 250-300 and 18+ arms is not though.

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/sigh another thread with no pics

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ITS ALL ABOUT THE TRICEPS! YAHHHHH BUDDDYY

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I think I have the smallest arms at my weight out of anyone on this site so no one should cry about ‘‘arm genetics sucking.’’ I only blame myself for them being small though as I fell into the don’t train your arms let compounds take care of that and they didn’t grow with the rest of me. Hopefully when I get to the 17 in range I won’t feel so pathetic anymore.

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Don’t know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but you’re probably gonna have to work arms at least twice a week to get the results you’re looking for. I’m talking about two dedicated arm workouts, not just curls thrown in after back day.

As Bonez and others have stated, you need to work on focusing the strain where you want it. A great way to learn it is by doing unsupported concentration curls (standing). Rest your off-hand elbow on your knee and let the weight hang down, with your working arm unrestricted. Curl the weight up to your chin and squeeze the bicep as hard as you can. Focus the contraction on the bicep only, instead of flexing your entire upper arm.

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I am the keymaster.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

and at least one “interesting” measurement claim as well.[/quote]

There is a quality penis joke in here somewhere…

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for 6-8 weeks, try doing your pullups with neutral grip, with hands on SAME BAR interlocked

for 6-8 weeks, try switching your bench to close grip

for 6-8 weeks, try doing your bent over rows with an underhand grip

for 6-8 weeks, add lying down barbell triceps extentions on the day you squat or deadlift

I’d be very suprised if your arms didn’t gain a bit of size after 8 weeks of switching to these parameters

then switch back

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Jon, but you have pretty big fucking arms for your size man. Very above avg. genetics in that department. And I’m very below average.[/quote]

Arms around 18" on someone 6 feet tall and under at around 210lbs is pretty expected. That pic of me at 210 was with 18" arms. I would expect most people with decent enough genetics to stand out in this among other serious trainers to experience the same.

Kingbeef on this site is another with arms about that size at about that body weight.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
Jon, but you have pretty big fucking arms for your size man. Very above avg. genetics in that department. And I’m very below average.

Arms around 18" on someone 6 feet tall and under at around 210lbs is pretty expected. That pic of me at 210 was with 18" arms. I would expect most people with decent enough genetics to stand out in this among other serious trainers to experience the same.

Kingbeef on this site is another with arms about that size at about that body weight.[/quote]

Ya well screw all 3 of you I’m with Bug on this(except he has it worse still). Sporting 17’s when I weigh the same as Jon but 2 inches shorter leads to sadfaces all around. Although I think my arm size falls well in place of my lift numbers so I’m not really complaining, probably just carry my weight differently.

Oh and I can’t bench 315x8, happy Bill?