If you do not do arm work, you’ll regret it. Either because you’ll look like a dip shit for having skinny arms, or you’ll have muscular imbalance issues.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If you do not do arm work, you’ll regret it. Either because you’ll look like a dip shit for having skinny arms, or you’ll have muscular imbalance issues.[/quote]
Apparently, caring about muscular imbalances has taken a backseat to acting as if working on bigger biceps is useless for strength gains.
I am really surprised a couple of personal trainers were able to have this affect on a mass population. How the hell do you convince guys that building big muscles is useless for strength gains? Most of these idiots are way weaker and smaller than the people they seem to be trying to insult.
5’9"
210 lbs
16.5" flexed :(.
Thought I should post a pic this time
46
6’
222 lbs or thereabouts
16-18% BF or thereabouts
Age: 46
Height: 5’11"
Weight: 230lbs
BF: 11-12%ish
Arms: 19.5…cold
Were right at 18.25 in the old ave. pic.
My weak ass arms are 15.5… I am 5’7", 205lbs. 178 in avatar.
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
I do martial arts,my Sensei would kick my ass if he saw me doing direct arm work,unless sparring/padwork,etc.
Some tricep work sure,but biceps work can be counter-productive.
In many traditional martial arts it is avoided or minimized,as the power and ‘snap’ comes from extension of the arm to hit in most strikes.
This may be an outdated view,I don’t know.
[/quote]
ARE YOU FREEKIN KIDDIN ME! First of all the bicep plays a big part in any martial art, whether it be traditional karate or MMA, you need the bicep to load the punch. Look at just grabbing your sparring partner, all bicep and forearm. The stronger your grip and bicep become the better you can control the other person, just out of curiousity, how big are your Sensei’s arms?
[quote]bams_101 wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
I do martial arts,my Sensei would kick my ass if he saw me doing direct arm work,unless sparring/padwork,etc.
Some tricep work sure,but biceps work can be counter-productive.
In many traditional martial arts it is avoided or minimized,as the power and ‘snap’ comes from extension of the arm to hit in most strikes.
This may be an outdated view,I don’t know.
ARE YOU FREEKIN KIDDIN ME! First of all the bicep plays a big part in any martial art, whether it be traditional karate or MMA, you need the bicep to load the punch. Look at just grabbing your sparring partner, all bicep and forearm. The stronger your grip and bicep become the better you can control the other person, just out of curiousity, how big are your Sensei’s arms?[/quote]
I used to spar with a black belt who had just got a free ride on a football scholarship. This guy was 18 years old but weighed a solid 225lbs at what must have been about 10% body fat. He was a genetic freak and had arms about as big as mine at the time so they were at least a good 18". Why the hell would any sensai be pissed because someone worked on their biceps? That doesn’t even make sense.
Further, why do so many of these guys think the rest of us are just completely ignorant of other sports or activities? These are the types who see big guys and just assume they all can’t fight or that they are all slow.
19.5" arms
5’8"
230lbs
9% bf
[quote]Comrade wrote:
19.5" arms
5’8"
230lbs
9% bf
[/quote]
GOOD LAWD.
Got any pics? Damn man.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
bams_101 wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
I do martial arts,my Sensei would kick my ass if he saw me doing direct arm work,unless sparring/padwork,etc.
Some tricep work sure,but biceps work can be counter-productive.
In many traditional martial arts it is avoided or minimized,as the power and ‘snap’ comes from extension of the arm to hit in most strikes.
This may be an outdated view,I don’t know.
ARE YOU FREEKIN KIDDIN ME! First of all the bicep plays a big part in any martial art, whether it be traditional karate or MMA, you need the bicep to load the punch. Look at just grabbing your sparring partner, all bicep and forearm. The stronger your grip and bicep become the better you can control the other person, just out of curiousity, how big are your Sensei’s arms?
I used to spar with a black belt who had just got a free ride on a football scholarship. This guy was 18 years old but weighed a solid 225lbs at what must have been about 10% body fat. He was a genetic freak and had arms about as big as mine at the time so they were at least a good 18". Why the hell would any sensai be pissed because someone worked on their biceps? That doesn’t even make sense.
Further, why do so many of these guys think the rest of us are just completely ignorant of other sports or activities? These are the types who see big guys and just assume they all can’t fight or that they are all slow.[/quote]
shit, do you know martial arts? like kong fu?
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
bams_101 wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
I do martial arts,my Sensei would kick my ass if he saw me doing direct arm work,unless sparring/padwork,etc.
Some tricep work sure,but biceps work can be counter-productive.
In many traditional martial arts it is avoided or minimized,as the power and ‘snap’ comes from extension of the arm to hit in most strikes.
This may be an outdated view,I don’t know.
ARE YOU FREEKIN KIDDIN ME! First of all the bicep plays a big part in any martial art, whether it be traditional karate or MMA, you need the bicep to load the punch. Look at just grabbing your sparring partner, all bicep and forearm. The stronger your grip and bicep become the better you can control the other person, just out of curiousity, how big are your Sensei’s arms?
I used to spar with a black belt who had just got a free ride on a football scholarship. This guy was 18 years old but weighed a solid 225lbs at what must have been about 10% body fat. He was a genetic freak and had arms about as big as mine at the time so they were at least a good 18". Why the hell would any sensai be pissed because someone worked on their biceps? That doesn’t even make sense.
Further, why do so many of these guys think the rest of us are just completely ignorant of other sports or activities? These are the types who see big guys and just assume they all can’t fight or that they are all slow.
shit, do you know martial arts? like kong fu?[/quote]
LOL.
I grew up learning some boxing as it seems to run in the family somewhat. My parents had me in karate classes as a kid but I didn’t stick with it. In college I started learning from other guys who had been trained so it wasn’t formal training. One knew aikido and taught me some moves and the other was a black belt in karate who had won some meets and had these huge trophies as a result. I may not be formally trained but I am pretty confident that should the need arise, I can at least hold my own.
That is one reason it makes me laugh when little dudes just assume that anyone who trains to be really big somehow simply can’t throw a punch at all…as if big muscles equal weakness and being a pussy. You only hear shit like this on the internet.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
bams_101 wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
I do martial arts,my Sensei would kick my ass if he saw me doing direct arm work,unless sparring/padwork,etc.
Some tricep work sure,but biceps work can be counter-productive.
In many traditional martial arts it is avoided or minimized,as the power and ‘snap’ comes from extension of the arm to hit in most strikes.
This may be an outdated view,I don’t know.
ARE YOU FREEKIN KIDDIN ME! First of all the bicep plays a big part in any martial art, whether it be traditional karate or MMA, you need the bicep to load the punch. Look at just grabbing your sparring partner, all bicep and forearm. The stronger your grip and bicep become the better you can control the other person, just out of curiousity, how big are your Sensei’s arms?
I used to spar with a black belt who had just got a free ride on a football scholarship. This guy was 18 years old but weighed a solid 225lbs at what must have been about 10% body fat. He was a genetic freak and had arms about as big as mine at the time so they were at least a good 18". Why the hell would any sensai be pissed because someone worked on their biceps? That doesn’t even make sense.
Further, why do so many of these guys think the rest of us are just completely ignorant of other sports or activities? These are the types who see big guys and just assume they all can’t fight or that they are all slow.[/quote]
Dunno man, the sensei sounds like a douche to me. All of the sports that I can think of off the top of my head would benefit the participant by adding some arm size, except maybe a contortionist trying to fit into extremely small glass container.
Ace Rimmer needs to seriously kill himself, mmkay?
[quote]bams_101 wrote:
Dunno man, the sensei sounds like a douche to me. All of the sports that I can think of off the top of my head would benefit the participant by adding some arm size, except maybe a contortionist trying to fit into extremely small glass container.[/quote]
Every single time one of these guys log on acting like muscles will hinder their progress I call bullshit. Every blackbelt I have known who was truly impressive in the Houston area had some size on them. I just haven’t met these guys who try to stay as skinny as possible…mostly because many of the guys they are training are also pretty sizable so being weak would be a huge disadvantage.
They may not be my size, but they damn sure aren’t “150lbs” nor do they have small biceps.
Hey, this guy can’t punch well because his biceps are too developed, right?
After much research, and with the help of two bodybuilders who were also his close friends and students in the San Francisco Bay area, Lee devised a three-day-per-week bodybuilding program that he felt fit his strengthening and bodybuilding needs perfectly.
According to one of these men, Allen Joe, “James Lee and I introduced Bruce to the basic weight training techniques. We used to train with basic exercises like squats, pullovers and curls for about three sets each. Nothing really spectacular but we were just getting him started.” This program actually served Lee well from 1965 through until 1970 and fit in perfectly with Lee’s own philosophy of getting the maximum results out of the minimum – or most economical – expenditure of energy.
The every-other-day workout allowed for the often neglected aspect of recovery to take place. Lee coordinated his bodybuilding workouts in such a way so as to insure that they fell on days when he wasn’t engaged in either endurance-enhancing or overly strenuous martial art training. The program worked like magic; increasing Lee’s bodyweight from an initial 130 pounds to – at one point – topping out at just over 165 pounds!
According to Glover, however, Lee wasn’t particularly pleased with the added mass; "I noticed that he was bigger after he was weight training. There was a time after he went to California that he went up to 165 pounds. But I think it slowed him down because that was real heavy for Bruce. He looked buff like a bodybuilder. And then, later on I saw him and this was all gone.
I mean, one thing that Bruce was [about] was function – and if stuff got in the way, then it had to go. Bruce wanted his weight training to complement what he did in the martial arts. A lot of what Bruce was doing was about being able to maintain arm positions that nobody could violate in a fight. Like, if you take most people who are into bodybuilding or weight training, most of them are interested in simply building up their muscles to a bigger size, particularly the major muscle groups – not much attention is paid to the connective tissues, like ligament and tendon strength.
Well, Bruce’s thing was ‘let’s build up the connectors and we won’t worry so much about the size of the muscle.’ Again, Bruce was about function."
Dan Inosanto, another of Lee’s close friends and himself an instructor in Lee’s art, adds that Lee was only interested in strength that could readily be converted to power. “I remember once Bruce and I were walking along the beach in Santa Monica, out by where the ‘Dungeon’ (an old-time bodybuilding gym) used to be,” recalls Inosanto, “when all of a sudden this big, huge bodybuilder came walking out of the Dungeon and I said to Bruce, ‘Man, look at the arms on that guy!’ I’ll never forget Bruce’s reaction, he said 'Yeah, he’s big – but is he powerful? Can he use that extra muscle efficiently?”
Power, according to Lee, lay in an individual’s ability to use the strength developed in the gym quickly and efficiently; in other words, power was the measure of how quickly and effectively one could summon and coordinate strength for “real-world” purposes. On this basis, according to those who worked out with Lee from time to time such as martial arts actor Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee – pound for pound-- might well have been one of the most powerful men in the world.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
Ace Rimmer needs to seriously kill himself, mmkay? [/quote]
Now,to ALL forumites,no matter whether you see eye-to-eye with my thoughts-I ask you,was this necessary?
But no,I seem to be the one marked out as a troublemaker…
[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
Therizza wrote:
Ace Rimmer needs to seriously kill himself, mmkay?
Now,to ALL forumites,no matter whether you see eye-to-eye with my thoughts-I ask you,was this necessary?
But no,I seem to be the one marked out as a troublemaker…[/quote]
I disagreed with everything you said up to this point.