Ahh…O.K.
You must be ELCA.
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Ahh…O.K.
You must be ELCA.
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I think so. I always get the Missouri synod and eastern mixed up. What I’ve seen in my church and area is more of a conservative leaning, butt here is a variety. this is a pretty conservative town overall however.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
I am not a believer myself, but having forlife post things like this does not help the causes of things like reason, scientific advancement and atheism. If the bible justified homosexuality and same sex married beyond an argument, forlife would probably be one of the people he is making fun of.[/quote]
You said it buddy, if the bible justified homosexuality and same sex marriage beyond an argument,…wait for it…then there woudln’t be an argument.
Hopefully forlife would need more than that to become one of the people he is supposedly parodying.
So I would guess every one is saying religion
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m trying to come up with an opposite list. A, “You might be non religious if” list.
- You had to babysit your daughter’s 1st child so should she could attend prom. Girls will be girls!
- You had to drive your daughter to the clinic to “terminate” her 2nd child. Girls will be girls!
- You divorced your wife for a man. Or, vice versa.
- Your idea of charity is taxation and wealth redistribution.
- You can’t figure out which person gave you which STD’s.
- You believe marriage is a state benefits package that should be open to every imagineable arrangement of adults. Never questioning what the point is, then.
- Your bisexual wife cheated on you with your sister. Then called you a bigoted conservative prude when confronted. You apologize for your narrow-mindedness.
- The sound of baptists on a hay ride through your neighborhood, singing Christmas Carols and bringing Christmas dinners to the elderly, ruins your entire Winter Holdiay vacation.
- You’re critical of how missionaries and nuns provide relief and aid in Africa, without once having stepped foot (much less served a bowl of rice to the hungry) in Africa yourself.
- While relating your weekend sexual conquests to co-workers, you overhear two others in the corner talking about something innapropriate in the workplace…Sunday’s sermon.
- Acts in the old testament are shocking to you, but support the killing of humans in the womb as a right.
- Your increasingly secular society can’t replace itself demographically. Instead, you have to allow for mass immigration of fundamentalist immigrants with the hope they will birth enough new workers to fund the massive government mandates and social programs that have replaced voluntary religious social/charitable institutions and functions.
Help fill in the rest![/quote]
- You believe that sexual fidelity in a loving monogamous relationship, programs that help the poor, and valuing life are not only possible without believing in religious fairy tales, but are more genuine because they are valued for their own sake, and come from within.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
I am not a believer myself, but having forlife post things like this does not help the causes of things like reason, scientific advancement and atheism. If the bible justified homosexuality and same sex married beyond an argument, forlife would probably be one of the people he is making fun of.[/quote]
I have several gay friends who continue to believe in the bible, and worship a god that sanctions same sex relationships. The world’s largest “Christian” gay church is 10 minutes from my house.
If I wanted to stay in La La land in order to feel good about myself as a “gay Christian”, I would do so.
As it turns out, I’m actually interested in the truth, rather than in fairy tales that make people feel good about themselves. I’ll take the red pill, but don’t really blame people that choose the blue pill instead.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Sarcasm. There is a wide variety in Christian thought. when the left refers to fundamentalism, they usually mean Christian who doesn’t agree with me.[/quote]
I don’t consider Lutherans, Methodists, etc. to be fundamentalist. They are much more willing to live and let live.
Fundamentalist Homosexual?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Top 10 danger signs (from evilbible.com):
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.[/quote]
You vigorously deny the importance of thousands of other marginal sexual and social behaviors, but feel outrage when someone calls yours ‘marginal’.
You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when a judge says you can’t get married in this state, but have no problem citing irreproducible scientific research that says your sexual orientation is fixed at birth.
You laugh at long-standing traditions like polygamy, but have no problem including yourself in the definition of ‘alternative marriage’.
Your face turns purple when you hear of the ‘atrocities’ attributed to anti-homosexuality, but you don’t even flinch in comparing the same atrocities to indentured servitude, beatings, whippings, lynchings, hangings, and other actual persecutions that make bureaucratic paperwork seem heavenly.
You laugh at beliefs that deify humans, Buddhist and Greek ideologies like purity, virtue, and stoicism, and you have no problem holding pederasty up as an example of any practice that should in any way be emulated by anyone.
You can quite easily see loopholes in the tradition of marriage as it is currently defined, but you find nothing wrong with exploiting those loopholes to sanctify marginal sexual behaviors.
You believe you can redefine marriage to include your personal proclivities, excluding those who’s proclivities you don’t happen to agree with, and ignoring or silencing those who prefer the definition as it is. And yet you consider your definition to be “progressive” and “tolerant”.
While modern science, biology, and statistics have failed to convince you otherwise, one roll in the hay with another guy is all the evidence you need to “prove” to others that any thoughts you have on homosexuality are right.
You claim .004% as proof of inequality when it comes to homosexuality, and you think that the remaining 99.996% of crime is simply random or without motivation. And that’s a good thing.
[quote]1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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You actually know a lot less than many married and single individuals about sex, relationships, and community- but still claim to know that rewriting laws because of sexuality is a good idea.
Lucasa, that was, as they say; not even wrong.
He forgot to mention that every major medical and mental health organization in the world agrees with me, while even the “Christian” churches are unable to agree with themselves 
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Fundamentalist Homosexual?
forlife wrote:
Top 10 danger signs (from evilbible.com):
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
You vigorously deny the importance of thousands of other marginal sexual and social behaviors, but feel outrage when someone calls yours ‘marginal’.
9 - You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when a judge says you can’t get married in this state, but have no problem citing irreproducible scientific research that says your sexual orientation is fixed at birth.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
You laugh at long-standing traditions like polygamy, but have no problem including yourself in the definition of ‘alternative marriage’.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!
Your face turns purple when you hear of the ‘atrocities’ attributed to anti-homosexuality, but you don’t even flinch in comparing the same atrocities to indentured servitude, beatings, whippings, lynchings, hangings, and other actual persecutions that make bureaucratic paperwork seem heavenly.
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
You laugh at beliefs that deify humans, Buddhist and Greek ideologies like purity, virtue, and stoicism, and you have no problem holding pederasty up as an example of any practice that should in any way be emulated by anyone.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
You can quite easily see loopholes in the tradition of marriage as it is currently defined, but you find nothing wrong with exploiting those loopholes to sanctify marginal sexual behaviors.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
You believe you can redefine marriage to include your personal proclivities, excluding those who’s proclivities you don’t happen to agree with, and ignoring or silencing those who prefer the definition as it is. And yet you consider your definition to be “progressive” and “tolerant”.
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.
While modern science, biology, and statistics have failed to convince you otherwise, one roll in the hay with another guy is all the evidence you need to “prove” to others that any thoughts you have on homosexuality are right.
2 - You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
You claim .004% as proof of inequality when it comes to homosexuality, and you think that the remaining 99.996% of crime is simply random or without motivation. And that’s a good thing.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
You actually know a lot less than many married and single individuals about sex, relationships, and community- but still claim to know that rewriting laws because of sexuality is a good idea.
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OUCH. Now that was a fail and then some.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I’m trying to come up with an opposite list. A, “You might be non religious if” list.
- You had to babysit your daughter’s 1st child so should she could attend prom. Girls will be girls!
- You had to drive your daughter to the clinic to “terminate” her 2nd child. Girls will be girls!
- You divorced your wife for a man. Or, vice versa.
- Your idea of charity is taxation and wealth redistribution.
- You can’t figure out which person gave you which STD’s.
- You believe marriage is a state benefits package that should be open to every imagineable arrangement of adults. Never questioning what the point is, then.
- Your bisexual wife cheated on you with your sister. Then called you a bigoted conservative prude when confronted. You apologize for your narrow-mindedness.
- The sound of baptists on a hay ride through your neighborhood, singing Christmas Carols and bringing Christmas dinners to the elderly, ruins your entire Winter Holdiay vacation.
- You’re critical of how missionaries and nuns provide relief and aid in Africa, without once having stepped foot (much less served a bowl of rice to the hungry) in Africa yourself.
- While relating your weekend sexual conquests to co-workers, you overhear two others in the corner talking about something innapropriate in the workplace…Sunday’s sermon.
- Acts in the old testament are shocking to you, but support the killing of humans in the womb as a right.
- Your increasingly secular society can’t replace itself demographically. Instead, you have to allow for mass immigration of fundamentalist immigrants with the hope they will birth enough new workers to fund the massive government mandates and social programs that have replaced voluntary religious social/charitable institutions and functions.
Help fill in the rest!
- You believe that sexual fidelity in a loving monogamous relationship, programs that help the poor, and valuing life are not only possible without believing in religious fairy tales, but are more genuine because they are valued for their own sake, and come from within.
[/quote]
That reminds me…
- There are no absolute morals. One human wants to live by a social contract as a herd animal. The other human animal is a risk taker, willing to prey upon the herd types. Neither is “bad.” One’s simply a risk taker, and one’s willing to go along to get along.
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Lucasa, that was, as they say; not even right.[/quote]
Fixed.
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Lucasa, that was, as they say; not even right.
Fixed.
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Was that the sound of Wolfgang Pauli turning a quarter turn in his grave?
[quote]forlife wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Sarcasm. There is a wide variety in Christian thought. when the left refers to fundamentalism, they usually mean Christian who doesn’t agree with me.
I don’t consider Lutherans, Methodists, etc. to be fundamentalist. They are much more willing to live and let live.[/quote]
The average parishioner here would not favor gay marriage,but we don’t consider that one of the top say 2-30 issues out there right now.
[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
OUCH. Now that was a fail and then some.
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Yeah, I was just going to point out the irony of a homosexual using the ‘taking the red pill’ metaphor, but most of those type of arguments go over his head.
I didn’t say one word about medicine or psychology and he’s thumping his Bible at me. It’s like hearing the Creationists quote Genesis.
Nothing like deflecting your fail by disparaging the evil gays. It worked for Dubbya during the election, but conservatives are backpedaling on that approach these days. You might want to take notes.
I’m curious which of the items in the list you disagree with. Do you think Christianists aren’t atheists when it comes to the thousands of other gods besides their own? Or do you think that being compelled to spend eternity in the fiery bowels of Hell reveals god’s “compassionate conservatism”?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Nothing like deflecting your fail by disparaging the evil gays. It worked for Dubbya during the election, but conservatives are backpedaling on that approach these days. You might want to take notes.
I’m curious which of the items in the list you disagree with. Do you think Christianists aren’t atheists when it comes to the thousands of other gods besides their own? Or do you think that being compelled to spend eternity in the fiery bowels of Hell reveals god’s “compassionate conservatism”?[/quote]
Actually my impression of the christian god is really that he’s most closely fascist (or nazism more specifically). Absolute dictator deciding everything in life, a sort of nationalism (christian nation) surrounded by the religious fervor of believing to be the chosen people combined with a desire to spread that ideology to the world based on being superior, while undoubtedly having some sort of socialist economic scheme (Jesus was a from each according to his ability to each according to his needs kind of guy). Even the end time is essentially the extermination of all inferior people to achieve utopia and purification of the planet.
Just my take.
However, would you rather the president make promises to the gay community only to contradict said promises immediately once elected? Maybe the left should back away from that tactic.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
Nothing like deflecting your fail by disparaging the evil gays. It worked for Dubbya during the election, but conservatives are backpedaling on that approach these days. You might want to take notes.
I’m curious which of the items in the list you disagree with. Do you think Christianists aren’t atheists when it comes to the thousands of other gods besides their own? Or do you think that being compelled to spend eternity in the fiery bowels of Hell reveals god’s “compassionate conservatism”?
Actually my impression of the christian god is really that he’s most closely fascist (or nazism more specifically). Absolute dictator deciding everything in life, a sort of nationalism (christian nation) surrounded by the religious fervor of believing to be the chosen people combined with a desire to spread that ideology to the world based on being superior, while undoubtedly having some sort of socialist economic scheme (Jesus was a from each according to his ability to each according to his needs kind of guy). Even the end time is essentially the extermination of all inferior people to achieve utopia and purification of the planet.
Just my take.
However, would you rather the president make promises to the gay community only to contradict said promises immediately once elected? Maybe the left should back away from that tactic. [/quote]
Whoa, Christian god is a nazi?
Don’t beat around the bush, tell us how you really feel.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Lucasa, that was, as they say; not even right.
Fixed.
Was that the sound of Wolfgang Pauli turning a quarter turn in his grave?
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Ha! yes “Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!”