And for lean individuals ?
I like your idea of trying a diuretic. I have the bloat too.
Any particular one? Any OTC stuff
Ok I’ll watch them all. Started the first one and I’m wondering what the premise of that one is? If that’s you on the right, then what I have seen so far is you trying to teach a doctor how to draw Test from a vial and inject it using a little bit of air to push the test out of the needle.
Is that doctor deaf? I ask because I haven’t heard him say anything so far in the video. He is just nodding his head and moving his hands every now and then?
I’m going to finish it in a little bit and probably answer my own questions.
Well, if you want to accumulate more visceral fat as a lean guy, knock yourself out. If you want to stay lean, E2 is your friend.
The bloat will usually go away on its own with a bit of time. Anything that can act as a diuretic works fine. Even mild stuff you find at your local pharmacy. Once it’s gone it should stay gone. HCG causes that in a lot of men which is another reason why I can never advise anyone to take it.
Oh crap! I just realized that the links I posted don’t show the video starting from the beginning! I’ll see if I can edit my post. Start the video at the beginning otherwise it won’t make any sense lol!
OK, I’ve edited them. They should all start at the beginning now. Sorry about that!
No problem. The first video is gone now?
No… refresh your page… they are all there… all starting from the beginning now 
Refreshed and even closed and restarted browser. The video I was watching is not there.
Oh wait…since you edited the post, the placeholder image for the video changed on the link. It’s the right video.
with no hcg , and no ai . What would you suggest I switch my dose to ? I’m at 40mg eod Test cyp .
All good now? That first video was nerve-wracking. Never did anything like that before.
Just so I don’t have to read everything over again, what is your current protocol and what was your total T and free T? Sorry, it’s late… Remind me…
@dbossa if high e2 does not cause bloat then why do woman get bloat during parts of the menstrual cycle? Isn’t the bloat connected to when their e2 spikes?
Btw am getting the otc diurex and will see how it goes.
Yes. I just finished watching the first video. Very good info there for guys that are beginning TRT.
One question concerning your position on HCG…
What do you think about the affects of higher LH levels optimizing adrenal function? This concept is intriguing to me and I feel that it seems to have enough merit that I am willing to try HCG for 12 weeks to see if I notice any differences. I am going to start a new thread next week when I begin the trial run to document my experience.
I have no use for it as far as fertility goes and I declined it when I started TRT 6 months ago. I feel that dialing in one thing at a time is the best approach, and now, since I am fairly dialed in with test, I think it would be a great time to try HCG and see what changes I notice. If they’re good, then all the better. If I feel worse, at least I’ll know that it’s the HCG that’s causing it.
Thoughts?
Low estrogen can cause water retention is some men, so why not high estrogen in other men?
Many of the docs were under that same impression. Dr Crisler made it popular as I’m sure you heard. LH receptors all over the body etc. The problem is, we were never able to find any actual concrete evidence to support this. The docs just began to see too many guys doing better off it than on. Don’t get me wrong, for fertility HCG gets 'er done. However, that is the only reason I would ever take the stuff. My wife and I even wondered if I really needed to take it at all. We’ll never know if she would have got pregnant without it (could very well be).
Body fat is not really critical to anything for me in this stuff. Increased T will get you straight with time, given you are doing other things right. More fat often means more bloat, but not always, and AI’s are about the guys just can’t deal with something without it. They’re not ideal, but neither is Tylenol or Ibuprofen and sometimes they’re necessary.
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150 mg a week test cyp 1x weekly
Hcg 250 iu 2 x week
Anastrozole .5 mg 3 x week
For 10 weeks had me at
Free t 218.6 (45-155)
Total t 1647 (250-1100)
Estrogen 9 (<29)
After a 5 weeks of taking
130mg Test cyp 1x weekly
250 iu hcg 2x weekly
.5 anasteozole 2x weekly
I’m at
Free t 294.1 (35-155)
Test 1463 (250-1100)
Estrogen 41 (>39)
How do you feel at those levels?
Up and down . Amazing some days shitty others . However , since spreading hcg injections I’ve been feeling shitty a lot more than good . At first I thought it was ups and downs from one large t shot weekly . Now since spreading hcg I can see that it’s definately what’s doing it . My last hcg injection was 2 days ago . I started to feel good last night …feeling good today .