Bloating has nothing to do with E2. Bloating is water retention caused by elevated levels of testosterone. Bloating subsides naturally on its own with time. Worst case you can take a diuretic for a few days to speed things up. The bloat won’t come back.
Humbly disagree.
It will subside with time, but E2 conrtibutes.
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So why is it that you give a guy diuretics, his bloat vanishes in a few days, he stops the diuretics, and his bloat never comes back? Did the diuretics have any effect on his E2 levels? Nope. So, how was E2 involved exactly? Care to explain?
Dude. Come on. No it isn’t. Bloating subsides, but it is E2. You take an AI, you drop the bloat immediately. Your body adjust to the E2 and loses fat on TRT, so you have the combination of less aromatase and natural adjustment. Non-aromatising agents like Masteron or Anavar don’t result in bloat because they do not act to elevate E2. Learn something from the human guinea pigs.
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No. Sorry, but no. AI actually CONTRIBUTES to a gain in visceral fat (look it up). E2 helps to REDUCE visceral fat. Do I have to send you a study about that as well?
What I would LOVE is a podcast with you, Steven Devos, myself, and Keith Nichols. You ask the ‘bro science’ questions and then we provide you with the studies, research, and data to set you straight. Then you can come back here and inform the flock that maybe we’re on to something. What do you say? Won’t cost you a thing and we have nothing to sell. We only want to help people. I already make a ton of money with my business. This is a passion of mine because it took me forever to get things figured out and I want to find ways for people to not waste the time I wasted (3.5 years with ED and crap libido).
Whether or not an AI contributes to visceral fat has nothing to do with whether or not E2 causes water retention. It does. Could testosterone also cause it? Maybe, but I doubt it. Reasonable test levels combined with working out and reasonable diet will result in fat loss, as compared to the same exercise and diet with low test levels. The AI would not make more than a minor statistical difference.
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So you’re a professional?
Testosterone does in fact cause water retention for some people when their doses get raised quickly. It subsides with time. It happened to me as well. Nothing to do with E2.
This is funny that you say this because the same phenomenon has been documented with E2 levels rising when testosterone rises quickly.
I’m not a professional in this field. I have access to the very best professionals in this field. I speak to them on a daily basis, get people on the right track in our Facebook group, and do podcasts from time to time as well. Anytime someone has an issue that I don’t have an answer for, I can get the answer within minutes. Dr Keith Nichols, Dr Scott Howell, Dr Eric Seranno, Dr Neal Rouzier, and on and on and on. I would get you on a podcast with professionals, who actually do this for a living, and you could challenge them on their views and attempt to back up your claims.
Tell you what, YOU tell ME which days of the week or times you would be available to do something like this and I’ll set it up. We will work around your schedule. Oh, and by the way: those podcasts? They’re a LOT harder than they look from the outside world. Critique them all you want. But when you’re on one, it’s a totally different animal. Especially when it’s live.
Unless you’re chicken? You’re not chicken, are you? 
Because I’d hop on any podcast you’d invite me to do in a heartbeat 
No.I have no explanation.
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If you are so sure about your protocol, then fuck off mate. This thread is about others finding out what is best for them.
Do your thing and rock on.
And move on.
Troll.
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No I would never be so arrogant as to say I am knowledgeable enough in this field to do anything more than offer advice to other guys who are in the same shoes I was some time ago, based on my own personal experience and extensive research.
I would love it if you could provide a link to some of the pod casts that you have been a part of though. I’d love to give them a listen. I promise I will keep an open mind.
Forgot to reply to one thing. The lack of an AI versus taking an AI made a significant statistical difference on visceral fat. Therefore, for obese guys, it’s literally the worst thing you can give them. Yes, I know! You believe the opposite to be true, and so did I!
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You’re not gonna want to go and meet me at lunch by the monkey bars are you? Lol
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Sure thing. I got started out with this really cool doc in Begium named Steven Devos (who is a dermatologist of all things). He has a rough start with TRT, dealt with Dr Nichols with the transcrotal cream, and did so well with it that he started a YouTube channel about TRT. He is also the guy who started the Facebook group. I’ve done so much with him that I’m now an admin of the group.
I will post the links to the videos I’ve done with him. Feel free to watch the others. He has a ton of really good content:
This is his main channel:
My first video with him:
Second video with him in regards to DHT and a debate between two doctors (Meehan and Nichols):
Me interviewing Dr Eric Seranno:
“Experts roundtable” with Russ Scala and Anthony Llabres (I was on ZERO sleep)
Second “Experts roundtable” with Russ Scala and Anthony Llabres
Thanks. I’ll give them a listen. Which one is you?
Danny Bossa. The guy with the beard. I have not lifted any weights since September. My wife got pregnant and we both stopped training. I’m building my home gym now in my new house. We will both get back to serious training again soon now that the baby is 6 weeks old and we’ve moved.
The bloating has been on and off . Just recently realizing it’s the days of my hcg injection . As I stated above , my first protocol had me injecting 2 days weekly back to back . Around those days I’d feel shitty , which I thought was bc it’s been 6 and 7 days since my last testosterone shot . But now that I’ve spread out hcg injections , I’m finding the bloat happens the day of into the day after hcg …
Was the same issue for me.
Take my advice (and it is good advice): If you don’t need to be fertile, stop the HCG right away, increase your T dose a bit to compensate for the loss. You’re going to feel MUCH better. I guarantee it.
If ever you need to be fertile, add the HCG back in approx 3 months before you’re going to start trying. Once she’s preggers, stop the HCG.
You’re welcome.