There have been quite a few things posted about ratios of E2 to Total T, where the guys that have been dialed in and feeling great for years have figured out, at least for themselves, that the magic range where they feel their best is between 15-17 (result of Total T divided by E2).
I won’t say that this has been documented and studied, but there have been enough guys reporting this that it’s worth considering.
Going by their logic, and I would tend to agree on this specific case, your E2 is way too low. Your current levels indicate a ratio of around 35. At your current Total T levels, you would hit that recommended range with an E2 of around 86.
It may be worth it for you to try completely dropping the AI altogether and let estrogen naturally fall where it may, and the see how you feel from there. Worth a shot.
Yeah not an exact science, like you said, but def something to it. I feel damn good and right now sit at 17.5.
(Total T) 1137 / 65 (E2) = 17.49
At my highest dose (220mg) I was at 20 = (TT) 1996 / 98 (E2) and I didn’t feel as good so I dropped the dose to where I am now and feel better. I didn’t feel like shit, just not as good.
So @mrz123 I agree with @bmbrady77 in regard to dropping the AI completely and letting your body naturally deal with the estradiol. It will balance it out.
Thanks… re-did the link so it starts at the beginning. Just advance to 5:13 if you want to get to the meat and potatoes… or you can watch from the beginning. This man is a walking database of information.
The majority of guys that I deal with are doing daily Sub-Q injections and feeling fantastic. I know very few that are doing intramuscular at this point. The only way to get better than daily Sub-Q injections that I know of is the trans scrotal cream applied twice a day. That is, currently, the absolute best protocol available. I will be switching to that once my wife stops breastfeeding.
Well that was fucking awesome. Can you provide that vitamin-requirement-for-conversion slide he showed from Rouzier? That was a rich podcast. He hit a lot of my interest areas. I take 10k IU daily of vitamin D because I don’t convert sunlight. Im usually at 50-60 so maybe I should up it. I, however, don’t take vitamin K outside of my multi which gives 50% RDA which I assume is low.
Not anymore if you can believe that… The doctors that I’m dealing with are getting guy’s free T levels really up there and improving health over all. HDL going up, LDL going down, no affect on prostate whatsoever, and a nice boost of DHT for libido and overall well-being. They are reporting benefits that they were unable to achieve with injections. They have almost all moved to the trans scrotal cream and many of them were long time injectors.
You know what would be a fantastic way to get your point (that you know what you’re talking about) across? Scroll up , look at my labs , ask me some questions , and help fix whatever the fuck is going on …
It’s an easy one. Your free T levels are good. You’re having issues. Drop the HCG (unless you absolutely need to remain fertile right now). Most definitly drop the AI. Use as frequent administration as possible. Daily SubQ is best followed by EOD (every other day). Give this time to work. You may possibly feel worse before you feel better. Give it a good 6 weeks. If after six weeks you still have issues, bump up your dose by 20mg and give it another few weeks. Continue to do that until your symptoms are resolved. Please make note of this thread so that when you start feeling better you can report back and confirm to everybody that what I told you to do most definitely was the solution.
@dbossa you have demonstrated some pretty good knowledge on the subject, and I must say for myself that I have been truly impressed by your views. If one were to read what you posted, and watch the videos with an open mind, there is a ton of knowledge to be gained there.
That being said, and please offer me the same courtesy of having an open mind as I have shown you, your posts come across as painting you as arrogant and kind of a prick.
I know you deal with dumbasses all the time, and are used to always having to take a strong defensive position to get your point across, because that point usually goes against the grain of some people’s self experience based beliefs, BUT…
Still the same. I think you could offer much more to the rest of the world if you would just show a little more humility and be a little nicer to guys who you know are already fucked up hormonally, and are probably overly sensitive in the first place. Not saying you have to tiptoe, just make some some kind of an effort to reign in the arrogance ya know?
I hope this is taken as I intended and thank you again for your contributions.
Point taken, no worries. It angers me to no end to see guys who are suffering with the ‘vets’ offering their bro science to just keep them feeling shitty when the correct answer is usually so simple. It pissed me off. I want you guys to feel as good as I do. I don’t want you to lose your wives or girlfriends because you can’t get it up. I want you guys to be MEN. I have nothing to sell you. I have no money to make on this. I’m here to help.
