I state “most men” can get to the high normal ranges in <15mg daily, I wasn’t referring to those have hypersecretion or hyper metabolizer testosterone. I am low SHBG and have much better response to TRT injecting daily v.s EOD, sleep, libido, energy and every other parameter is much improved.
One could argue it’s the lower estrogen, it’s probably steadier levels and less swings for which I am sensitive. When I was on an EOD protocol I could feels swings in the first 6 weeks, not so on a daily protocol. On a daily protocol it’s flat and smooth all the way to 6 weeks.
I felt optimized at 500-550 ng/dL Free T 21 pg/mL (20-26 pg/mL), the range for men in their 20’s. These are natural levels seen in our younger years and if you need more to feel optimal, then you must have testosterone resistance, similar to T3 resistance.
My veins started popping in my hands and arms at the 500 ng/dL, if you do not think men can be optimal within ranges, then you are really narrow minded and are wearing blinders.
I must be wearing blinders then . It’s just like the analogy I have used in the past. You are satisfied with your rusty hand saw and I am standing there with a gas-powered chainsaw… scratching my head. All good!
I have seen young men in their 20’s with a Total T of 173 and the guy has no symptoms at all, I’m no longer surprised by what I see in the hormone world, we are all truly biochemically unique.
Def not a Dr. System has tried many different protocols and am not sure he ever dialed in.
I believe he has underlying medical conditions. His experience with stuff should not be passed on because of this.
Basically correct me if am wrong , system reads lots on this and EM forum and gives advice based on this…
You cannot dial-in when running low on iron, thyroid needs ferritin >70 for optimal function. My ferritin was 24 and iron 40 and doctor never said anything. MCV and MCH were below ranges as Mike at Defy had brought to my attention.
@systemlord it’s not neccessarily testosterone resistance that causes this. It’s the daily bombardment of EDCs (Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals) that are unavoidable. These attach to the receptor preventing things like testosterone from doing what it needs to do. The only way to solve this is to significantly boost testosterone levels high enough overpower them. Ever wonder why levels of men are dropping radically with each passing generation? You also need to keep in mind that our deficiencies are GENETIC and will be passed down to our children. I have 3 sons and I’m willing to bet that by the time they are adults they will probably all be forced onto the TRT route as it will be unavoidable. Scary, but true.
13, 16, and a new born (second wife). If you think EDCs are bad now wait another 10-20 years. Count yourself lucky that you are learning about this TRT stuff because most will never get it figured out.
If you read between the lines of what Dr Rouzier is saying, it makes perfect sense as to why the body suppresses androgen hormone production when we become obese. It also makes perfect sense as to why the guys that have the hardest time with TRT are generally the ones with more visceral and subcutaneous fat. All of what we deem as harmful when it comes to elevated serum sex hormones has been extrapolated from studies done on rats and guys that are obese!!!
After listening to this, I can completely agree that guys with a normal body composition should not only not fear elevated E2 levels, we should actually encourage it by not taking measures to suppress it.
One question did arise during this. Hearing the argument for the beneficial aspects of estrogen, and also hearing your comments stating that you don’t even see the need to monitor E2, I have to ask why? Would it not be beneficial for your to monitor E2, at least occasionally, so that you could ensure that aren’t experiencing an aromatase deficiency?
It is my opinion that you can test your levels once just to ensure that your levels aren’t abnormally low, say, less than 20, or abnormally high, say, over 150. Once you have ruled that out, which 99% of men will, then why bother measuring it at all? I’ve been measuring mine these days just to watch it rise and show guys what my number is as proof to not fear it. There is one guy in our group with levels at 120 and his girlfriend cannot keep up with him. Many of the guys with free T at 50 and even 60 have their E2 over 60 and trust me when I say these are doing REALLY well.
You run around negating actual truth. You don’t listen to logical information. You believe what you want and refuse to open your mind to a common sense topic. Even if a doc tells it to ya.
This guy your speaking to is blessed, he is a doctor who specializes in trt that’s speaking to you.
He’s a great doctor.
I’ll sit back and watch you argue with a professional from your high chair and jsut laugh at your stubborn ignorance.
On point that’s what I realized. The more fat I lost the better my trt felt. Now I’m down to 11% body fat and hve an extra ten lbs of muscle and I feel much better than 18% and not much muscle.
Some of cypionate is available for immediate use. The rest is slowly released. Ever notice how guys say with large IM Shots they feel it kicking in? Same thing with daily. Less T for the body to utilize and aromotize. Makes it more manageable and you don’t have spill over as you do with once weekly. Give the body what I can manage. We realize that the body creates small amounts daily when natural and therefore small amounts are what the body can manage. Hope that helps.
You chill with your “I think” nonsense and cannot open your mind to truth. You can’t even read the message because you are always talking about typos and bad grammar. So smart yet no open mind hole digger
What is the concern exactly for ranges of estradiol? I’m not following. It has never been demonstrated to cause harm, at any level. There are only benefits. Why would we measure something that only provides benefits? If the level is 100 or 120…what will that change? If you’re not going to anything about it, why measure it? The vast majority of the benefits of TRT come from the conversion of T to E2. Some men who have naturally low levels of E2 are supplementing with it in order to get optimized alongside their TRT.
. It’s just like the analogy I have used in the past. You are satisfied with your rusty hand saw and I am standing there with a gas-powered chainsaw… scratching my head. All good!