But it does, given the fact, and you’ve mentioned it too, that someone who has only trained full range of motion will be stronger at the partial range closest to contraction the first time he tries it. How does that happen if full range doesn’t work the partial range?
What you’re describing would probably be effective but for whom? These are things for advanced lifters who are closer to having reached their genetic potential.
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And yet, “results” have evaded you. That is why we are trying to help you with some ideas that might yield results.
To be perfectly honest I cannot credit Arthur Jones principles for any of the results that I made over the years. I found that the principles that were shared in Peary Rader’s Ironman magazine produced my best results. Those were the tried and true basics.
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@T3hPwnisher squatted 225x40 , I believe I also saw 200x50 full ROM every rep.
You don’t need to use the same weights as T, you don’t need to eat like him, you don’t need to use his rep speed. But you can’t go wrong with that work of squatting for effectiveness.
You can surly include partial squats somewhere and Belt squats.
That’s how I feel about it.
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I wish that I had started out reading Iron Man magazine as I got into weight training – instead of some of the other mags. They had such conflicting articles that I didn’t know what to do.
I know that the Raders carried a lot of Arthur Jones’ material in their magazine. You indicated that you adhered to the training principles in Iron Man. Since Jones’ articles were included in that magazine (at least while the Raders owned it), can it not be said that the general principles described in Iron Man were sympathetic to those of Jones’ principles?
I do belt squats on a very early generation Nautilus Multi-Exercise machine - and that is what I do. I got that machine from a friend who had a box built for it that is positioned so that you stand right over the steps on the machine itself (I couldn’t do those squats without that box; standing on the steps while squatting is very unstable and difficult). As I’m sure that people that use that machine know, the cam on that machine makes the resistance at the very bottom of the squat high, decreases it at the ‘sticking point’ position and increases it (like, exponentially) near the ‘standing up’ position (near the end of a to-failure set, when I am ‘give out’, it is like I’m trying to lift a bulldozer off the ground).
If you want high resistance near the top of a belt squat, try them on one of those machines.
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I should qualify that I had established what worked best for me by 1979. Ironman did not carry any Arthur Jones principles at that time that I knew of.
Full range doesn’t do it for the strongest part of the movement atleast not the same degree as it does for the weakest part of the movement. so it has to be adjusted for like with nautilus cam.
yeah doing them at the very top like 30% of the full squat movement gave me some new glute growth i had never seen from a2g squats full rom, which i was doing to failure where i would fail at the bottom unable to get up. belt squat situation so not dangerous. But yes even hitting failure on a2g did not yield the same results. Therefor doing this is like of like finally stimulated under stimulated muscles within the glutes.
LOL OMG… you really don’t understand this and refuse to listen and learn.
We do NOT use different fibers in various parts of the ROM, strength IS strength regardless of ‘what point in the ROM’ the muscle is fatigued in during training. The only difference is displayed strength IS that near the contracted position, where a muscle is shortened (read, the fibers are already contracted), the MUSCLE produces less force. Freaken forget the external strength which is based on the leverage angles of bones, the MUSCLE produces less force, Period, end of story , FACT.
My God you are frustrating with your lack of listening and trying to understand something this simple.
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I think he might be Terrence Howard.
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LOL I think you’re right lol
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you sir are an idiot.
do you handle the same amount of weight throughout the entire range of motion or are you stronger and weaker at the different positions. I rest my point.
Just ow. maybe have the pins set on this?
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LOL so I’m an idiot yet you are the one refusing to let yourself understand ‘why’ the body can produce more force at the end of a squat.
Do you understand why a car jack can lift a car with less human force than even maximum human force can lift without the car jack? Hint ‘leverage’ factors.
You are completely confusing internal muscle force with external force with a multijoint exercise .
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I like that
Post your physique pic. Then you can “rest your point.”
When all is said and done, you have said far more than you have done.
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This reads like you are doing a standing hip thrust. You are placing the emphasis on the glutes and going through essentially the same ROM. Congratulations, you are emulating a bunch of people on Youtube.
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A Hip thrust would be most difficult at the top, yet this standing squat you becoming stronger towards the top so no it wouldn’t be a hip thrust.
you seem to come out with scientific babble to muddy the waters. There’s no way you’re going to convince anyone here that they can lift more weight at the bottom of a squat than at the top of a squat. that is nonsense “mechanical tension muscles are stronger at lengthened positions” bullcrap
Observable reality>