Not only that I can do it, but that it’s going to work too. I used to do the things that were “scientifically proven”, and I didn’t really care for the results. Eventually, I decided that I was going to train and eat the way that made sense to ME and that it was going to work…and it did, haha. Power of positive thinking and all that.
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You look awesome dude but I have a couple of questions. First one is what training did you do to end up where you are today not what training you are doing now.
Second one is don’t you think you daily accessory work plays a part in you not having to smash arms in your workout time? Daily work especially China/ pulls wild have a significant time drain but also adds loss of volume.
I spent a long time being one of those “too cool to do direct arm work” dudes. It wasn’t until I did 5/3/1 BBB in 2011 that I brought curls back into my training, and even then it was 5 sets once a week.
That’s entirely my argument.
You are doing it wrong if it does. The whole point is to get in some quick volume. I got all my daily work in today in 13 minutes, and that was AFTER a 28 minute front squat workout WITH a 4kb swing buy in per round. It can go MUCH faster if I want it to.
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That’s an awesome way to sum it up
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Thanks for taking time to respond to me by the way, really appreciate it. Been watching loads of Mike Israetel videos to get some more understanding.
Out of curiosity, what would you suggest for someone who just wants to get bigger, I’m not fussed about being stronger than I am already.
As I’m not a coach, I don’t tend to suggest anything. I’m not qualified for that. As for what has worked for me,
Super Squats
5/3/1 Building the Monolith
5/3/1 BBB Beefcake
Deep Water Beginner
Deep Water intermediate
I’m right now 1 week away from completing my most successful size gaining training phase ever. I accomplished it by stringing together 6 weeks of BBB Beefcake, a deload, 6 weeks of Building the Monolith, a deload, and then Deep Water Beginner and Intermediate back to back. It’s 26 weeks long and intense as hell, but works VERY well.
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What is your philosophy and/or toughts on classic 5x10 not being optimal, as in order for you to be able to do fifth set of 10s, your first 2 sets are actually somewhat of 15-20 rep sets, that are not carried to the level of which we stimulate any growth?
For me, to be able to do actually fifth set of 10s it means i either need 5min breaks or i have to pick a weight that basically does nothing for me the first 3 sets. Since we know we stimulate most growth 1-2 reps shy of failure, it makes only 2 effective sets, no?
I have genuinely never cared if anything was optimal: just if it was effective.
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Ok, then lets rephrase the same question with using : effective. Sorry, my native language is not english, i might not have used the right word… Lets just use “not good” then.
So :
What is your philosophy and/or toughts on classic 5x10 being NOT GOOD(not effective, whatever), as in order for you to be able to do fifth set of 10s, your first 2 sets are actually somewhat of 15-20 rep sets, that are not carried to the level of which we stimulate any growth?
Idk where the mistake is that you didnt get the idea(probs my shit english) but i will try again - so if we do 5 sets of 10 reps, it means first 2-3 sets are too light, so - why do 5 sets of 10, instead of upping the weight and do 3 sets of 12-10-8, for example?
You could also look at this in a more “black box” style. By that I mean simply caring if the BBB protocol works for you? If yes, then it was effective. If no, it was ineffective.
Yes, i know it definetly works, but then again - you can demolish a house with a sledge hammer, and you can also demolish it with a rocketlauncher, and you can also demolish it with a nuclear bomb… all 3 methods WORK.
Im just trying to start a discussion on “effective reps” and set intensity, as there are many studies done on this, and based on them - if you can do 5th set on 10, first 2-3 sets are not intense enough to produce ANY gains, so technically just as effective wold be just doing 2 sets of 20, with same weight. But thats all just paper, so i ask for an experience and just individual opinions and toughts on this.
I dont question that it works… i am sure you can drop the weight by 30% and do 10x10 also, and it will also work.
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Absolutely. I wasn’t trying to be a smartarse or suggest you were wrong, simply presenting another point of view.
Yea, i understand. I am also not trying to be rude or say that you or @T3hPwnisher is wrong, im just trying to get into a bit deeper discussion. Because i believe in what i wrote, but i am very open to understand and change my views if someone explains it and maybe it is really better etc.
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I don’t think it’s true. I find 5x10 plenty good
A set doesn’t have to be to failure to add hypertrophy or strength. Leaving 2-3 reps in reserve still counts to overall growth and volume.
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Yes, but not 5-10 reps in reserve, which is a case of 5x10 for at least first 2 sets.
They do still count because the my are the first two sets. Overall volume at 5x10 works compared to 3x10. Call them feeler sets or warm ups or whatever but they count to overall volume.
Yes, everything counts as overall volume but i am not speaking of overall volume, because as i explained - there are studies done on EFFECTIVE volume. Volume for volume sake does not do anything. Overall volume is useless way to measure your training, because you can do 10 reps with 50% of you max, and in studies it did not trigger any growth, as it is too light.
For 50% to start stimulate growth you need to accumulate fatigue - thats why its 5x10… The discussion is about - why just not do 3x10 with 70% ?
You can stack overall volume with low intensity and never gain any muscle. Thats why i asked you - why do you think you need this or that amount of SETS if sets by themselves do nothing.
Volume matters only when intensity is met.
Are you Paul Carter using a spoof account?
Some people like Pepsi. Some like Coke.
If it doesn’t affect your breathing, what difference does it make?
Kidding about the Paul Carter thing. He would never do that. 
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No idea who that is, sorry…
If we go by this tough then 90% of the forums in the world can just be deleted. This is where we exchange our views on WHY some like pepsi and some like coke, no? I like pepsi and im asking people who like coke - why coke, because i am very interested on what smarter and better people than me think.
I am a bit thrown off that you missed the idea of exchanging views and experiences as a part of a forum. If “whats the difference” than there would not be any discussions on any topic at all - we would all just do what we like and leave it at that.