Every once in awhile i pull out my shortwave radio and you here some pretty crazy radical people broadcasting, mostly holy war shit about christians verse the muslims and militia nonsense.
[quote]pookie wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Please cite some instances of this “bigotry”. Maybe some instances of his “intolerance” while you are at it.
Can’t you listen to his show for yourself?[/quote]
No. Not in this market.
Operating the radio is not that hard - but being that I am over 300 miles from a market that carries the show…well even you can understand how I am not able to just tune in.
Besides, I asked you for for instances of bigotry. That would suggest asking for your take on just what constitutes bigotry. I can’t listen to him and know what it is you object to, other than to assume anything of a conservative nature offends you.
Don’t you find it just a bit lazy to throw out such words just because someone disagrees with the way you have the world constructed in your head?
That would also apply to just about everyone - including you. But you choose to use the word as an epithet. Descriptive? Maybe. Punitively descriptive? Most likely.
[quote]The difference is that I don’t call for people to have their freedoms curtailed because I disagree with them (unless they directly impact my life). I will explain why I differ with someone on a certain topic, but I don’t recall ever asking for someone to be censored or banned or anything similar.
I know you prefer to be a kowtowing yes-man who toes the party line and follows the “right” herd and repeats the “right” opinions. If that works for you and makes you feel manly, fine.
Yeah, that’s what the clueless do.
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What party line to I toe? I merely asked some questions. Are you bigot in the strictest sense of the word? Probably - based on the loophole you left open for yourself. Condescending, elitist ass? Bingo.
What does feeling manly have to do with anything? What party line do I kowtow to? I get it - if I dare speak out about the idiocy of the modern left - I must be a yes man.
You really need to try harder. I know you have it in you.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Hagar wrote:
Thats not what I said and you are twisting my words around to make an insult. I’m not looking for a debate. I was only referring to Prager.
Ok, so the intolerant bigot has made you a better person, not the crazy intolerant bigot. I stand corrected.
You may not like his politics but I have met him in person he is the kindest and best people out there IMHO.
If you’re a white straight man who unconditionally votes Republican, I’m sure he’s quite nice. Or maybe his host persona is just an act and he really believes in “love thy neighbor” and “judge not.” But I kinda doubt it.
Have you ever listened to his show with an open mind, putting aside your anti-religious views?
Isn’t that like asking you to listen to his show without bigotry and prejudice?
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What the hell are you talking about? I don’t see where your coming from. Prager an intolerant Bigot? Even most liberals who listen to him wouldn’t say that. You might be intellectual, but you seem to enjoy projecting nonexistent character defects on others. You should examine your level of personal honesty.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
No. Not in this market.
Operating the radio is not that hard - but being that I am over 300 miles from a market that carries the show…well even you can understand how I am not able to just tune in. [/quote]
That’s why I mentioned youtube, genius. You might have missed it, it was a long sentence.
Go to “youtube.com”, put “Dennis Prager” in the little search box at the top, then - and this is an important step, so pay attention - click the “Search” button. There. Pages and pages of Prager discussing various topics with various persons.
What’s the point of discussing the man if you don’t even know who he is or what his views are?
Oh, right, I forgot you don’t need to be acquainted with a topic to discuss it, you can get by just with ad hominem, vocabulary nitpicking and calling people lazy. It’s easy to see, you being you and all, how such crap can be considered worthy of being called “a fight.” Keep swinging, chump.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? I don’t see where your coming from. Prager an intolerant Bigot? Even most liberals who listen to him wouldn’t say that. You might be intellectual, but you seem to enjoy projecting nonexistent character defects on others. You should examine your level of personal honesty.[/quote]
Look, he’s not the worst offender out there; and yes, among conservative talk radio, he is among the “mildest” of the bunch.
Out of curiosity, how exactly has he impacted your life? What do you do differently now from what you did before? I’m not asking you this to bash you on the head with it, I’m genuinely curious.
I don’t really listen to anyone but I do like to hear what the pundits are thinking–Hannity is especially entertaining, especially when he thinks he knows something.
Partisan commentary is usually incorrect in its analysis with regard to left v. right issues. I tend to listen to boring, emotion free news casts and not have my opinions spoon-fed to me by the media.
[quote]pookie wrote:
That’s why I mentioned youtube, genius. You might have missed it, it was a long sentence.[/quote]
You seem to have trouble with reading full sentences yourself. I asked you what it was you found so offensive. You told me to listen for myself.
How in the fuck am I supposed to divine what you find offensive?
I would think after two attempts to just get a simple fucking question answered, lazy is no longer an ad hominem attack, huh?
But since you brought it up - how is calling me a yes-man for the right not an ad hominem?
This is not a fight. This is a canadian fucking titty fit. And a lazy one at that.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Hagar wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? I don’t see where your coming from. Prager an intolerant Bigot? Even most liberals who listen to him wouldn’t say that. You might be intellectual, but you seem to enjoy projecting nonexistent character defects on others. You should examine your level of personal honesty.
Look, he’s not the worst offender out there; and yes, among conservative talk radio, he is among the “mildest” of the bunch.
Out of curiosity, how exactly has he impacted your life? What do you do differently now from what you did before? I’m not asking you this to bash you on the head with it, I’m genuinely curious.
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This is kind of like asking how has your father impacted your life, but I’ll give explaining your question a shot.
Well I didn’t have any huge problems right before listening to him with the exception of being a Green Party member lol. OK politics aside I have gone threw some shit in my life which I keep private but that was several years before I started to listen.
I believe he has had an overall positive impact on how I interact with people in my personal life. Also I enjoy his happiness hour, something that has also contributed in a positive way to my life. Not like I’m always Mr. Positive but I have improved. On thing that really stuck with me was his suggestion of acting happy. By doing this even if I’m not, I find I over come any depressed feelings I might have quickly. Therefore people find me more pleasurable to be around. Some of his suggestions are very simple and I might of heard them before, but the reminders have kept me in check.
Also he’s helped me to understand human nature more. With this I’ve become more tolerant and forgiving of others. For ex. his clear explanations of religion has changed my outlook on some religious people, as I no longer look down on them as I have in the past. (Prager is a religious Jew) He explained the controversial parts of Leviticus brilliantly putting them into the context of the time it was written.
BTW Don’t ask me to explain it as I heard this a while ago, and I’m not a huge bible reader. I can’t remember all the verses and how he explained them but given the time it was written it actually humanized slaves to the point that they weren’t really slaves. Kind of a rough explanation I suppose, but thats the best I could think of now.
Another thing, Prager always strives for clarity above agreement. Something I have adopted. This has helped me to understand others and better.
So in a nut shell, I’ve been listening to him for 6 years since I was 27. I used to work construction as a finish carpenter so I’d listen to talk radio while I worked. I know some of this is general but he has helped me mature as a man. My outlook on life, my temper, my social life has all improved. Honestly he isn’t that political when compared to other radio hosts and its his non political subjects that has the most influence on me.
SO I went to youtube and listened to the guy.
It didn’t really change anything because I still can’t read your mind and figure out how he is so offensive to you.
I’ll ask for the 3rd time: What is it about him you find so offensive?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You seem to have trouble with reading full sentences yourself. I asked you what it was you found so offensive. You told me to listen for myself.[/quote]
It is not one single thing. It’s his views in general about gays, muslims, the Bible, marriage, and so on.
It’s probably too complicated for you to follow, as I cannot summarize it in a little rainjack-fitting tidbit.
As if. I said I felt the guy was intolerant. You can listen to him and decide if you agree or not. I already know that your views will mostly align with his, so I don’t really give a fuck whether you ever manage to divine the answer or not.
It’s not like you’re going to surprise us with a deep and complex analysis that makes us rethink our positions, right?
It is when there isn’t a single simple answer. Guess you’ll have to sit this one out, slugger.
Who said it wasn’t? It’s not like there’s much to discuss with you, as you don’t even know who the guy is and are too fucking clueless to find him on the net.
Since you’re apparently unable to even get up from your corner and bring anything of worth to the topic, lazy wins easily.
Tough luck, palooka.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
This is kind of like asking how has your father impacted your life, but I’ll give explaining your question a shot.
Well I didn’t have any huge problems right before listening to him with the exception of being a Green Party member lol. OK politics aside I have gone threw some shit in my life which I keep private but that was several years before I started to listen.
I believe he has had an overall positive impact on how I interact with people in my personal life. Also I enjoy his happiness hour, something that has also contributed in a positive way to my life. Not like I’m always Mr. Positive but I have improved. On thing that really stuck with me was his suggestion of acting happy. By doing this even if I’m not, I find I over come any depressed feelings I might have quickly. Therefore people find me more pleasurable to be around. Some of his suggestions are very simple and I might of heard them before, but the reminders have kept me in check.
Also he’s helped me to understand human nature more. With this I’ve become more tolerant and forgiving of others. For ex. his clear explanations of religion has changed my outlook on some religious people, as I no longer look down on them as I have in the past. (Prager is a religious Jew) He explained the controversial parts of Leviticus brilliantly putting them into the context of the time it was written.
BTW Don’t ask me to explain it as I heard this a while ago, and I’m not a huge bible reader. I can’t remember all the verses and how he explained them but given the time it was written it actually humanized slaves to the point that they weren’t really slaves. Kind of a rough explanation I suppose, but thats the best I could think of now.
Another thing, Prager always strives for clarity above agreement. Something I have adopted. This has helped me to understand others and better.
So in a nut shell, I’ve been listening to him for 6 years since I was 27. I used to work construction as a finish carpenter so I’d listen to talk radio while I worked. I know some of this is general but he has helped me mature as a man. My outlook on life, my temper, my social life has all improved. Honestly he isn’t that political when compared to other radio hosts and its his non political subjects that has the most influence on me. [/quote]
Interesting. I may have judged the guy too hastily, because many of the things you mention, I have never heard from him. I don’t get him on the radio, so all my exposure has been through his appearances as a panelist/pundit on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. and videos/streams from the internet.
Although I still disagree with him about many of the views I’ve heard him defend repeatedly, it seems he has had a positive influence on you.
Thanks for the explanation; I’ll try and listen to some of his stuff about topics that aren’t “hot button issues” and see what I think.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
SO I went to youtube and listened to the guy.
It didn’t really change anything because I still can’t read your mind and figure out how he is so offensive to you.
I’ll ask for the 3rd time: What is it about him you find so offensive?[/quote]
His shoe size.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Since you’re apparently unable to even get up from your corner and bring anything of worth to the topic, lazy wins easily.
Tough luck, palooka.
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I was just asking a question. You would know if you were in a fight with me.
I didn’t even throw a punch - so take your victory and be proud.
And I don’t appreciate your racist remarks. I am not Polish.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
And I don’t appreciate your racist remarks. I am not Polish. [/quote]
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/palooka
Dimwit.
I like Savage, Glenn Beck, Dr. Laura, and Sean Hannity once in while.
Im one of the few guys who listens to G. Gordon Liddy, I think.
I also like Mark Levin.
However, Michael Savage is far and away my favorite. Sure he is over-the-top and I think he is way too hung up on gay issues, but he gets a lot of things right and no one can say that he doesnt think for himself. I have listened to him extensively for a good 6 years, so I know him well.
I expect the canned, tired cries of “racist” and so forth from some people, but I find the outright dismissals of him here as a lunatic by others a little strange.
[quote]pookie wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And I don’t appreciate your racist remarks. I am not Polish.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/palooka
Dimwit.
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Am I? Or did I know you would not be able to leave such a stupid statement alone?
You are as predictable as my morning shit - but not nearly as enjoyable.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
Im one of the few guys who listens to G. Gordon Liddy, I think.
I also like Mark Levin.
However, Michael Savage is far and away my favorite. Sure he is over-the-top and I think he is way too hung up on gay issues, but he gets a lot of things right and no one can say that he doesnt think for himself. I have listened to him extensively for a good 6 years, so I know him well.
I expect the canned, tired cries of “racist” and so forth from some people, but I find the outright dismissals of him here as a lunatic by others a little strange.[/quote]
I really like Mark Levin.
No red Blooded American should be without the G-Man’s stacked and Packed Calendar.
Have to say I’m partial to Micheal Medved. Really like the way he debates, always makes me want to read some Socrates during the breaks and polish up on my skills.
Savage is the Man. I would have to agree that he is crazy. Then again, that is part of the appeal, listening to him go off on a rant. The visualizations his stories brings up is amazing.
[quote]Valentinius wrote:
Have to say I’m partial to Micheal Medved. Really like the way he debates, always makes me want to read some Socrates during the breaks and polish up on my skills.
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I’ve listened to Medved a lot too, and I agree. He is one of the most skilled debaters out there IMO. Plus he has his facts strait and he’s very level headed. I don’t find him nearly as entertaining as Savage though.