[quote]sen say wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
I have nothing to add to this other than…FUCK TIVO. Yeah those guru guides work great, it didn’t even fucking record gymnastics! I am going on a breaking spree.
Were you dissapointed you didn’t get to see the men’s floor exercises?
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Believe it or not, the only thing it has recorded so far is MENS gymnastics and the women’s equestrian events. Why riding horses is an Olympic event is beyond me. Do the horses get medals?
[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
The Chinese government is the living embodiment of evil. In the end I left China because I couldn’t bear seeing it anymore.[/quote]
We agree on this.
And you are right that the so-called doctors were another tool of totalitarianism.
[quote]TKOWKD1 wrote:
How many can tell the difference between a 13-14 year old Chinese girl and a 16 year old Chinese girl? [/quote]
Or a 16 year old Chinese girl and a 16 year old Chinese boy?
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Do the horses get medals?
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You think that’s funny ASSHAT !?!?! I lived in China. I saw Chinese horses taken from their mares when they were colts and put into Chinese horsey olympic camps !
I say Neigh to your silly attempt at humor.
[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
nephorm wrote:
MightyMaus wrote:
Yeah, it’s too bad all those people now have productive jobs and spending money they can use to buy their relatives out of the prison “re-education” camps. (Common practice in China)
I think the rising middle class in China is a great thing.
I lived in China for 6 years and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about you asshat.
Sorry to have hit a nerve.
The areas that have adopted capitalism are the ONLY places where people have a decent standard of living. My grandmother used to say “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect your an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt” - you are a perfect example.
My problem is not with the adoption of capitalism. My problem is with the government’s whole-hearted efforts to spread it to the detriment of those who relied on the services the state previously provided. They are stealing land and changing rules mid-game.
Besides, the original post was about Chinese totalitarianism allowing “The State” to appropriate your children for their own use. It’s an issue unrelated to Capitalism vs Communism.
Also, you cannot compare Communism against Capitalism because one is a form of government and the other an economic model. You can compare Democracy to Communism or Capitalism to Marxist Economics, but you can’t cross reference between the categories.
Many political theorists have held that capitalism has a necessary democratizing component, and that, in fact, the economic and political systems are inextricably bound. The example of China may prove this assumption to be incorrect.
It is from that standpoint that I “compare” communism and capitalism. Although, I do not think there is a problem treating communism as both an economic and a political model, since the claims that communism makes as political system are largely economic.
In any case Communism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Anyone who says otherwise either didn’t pay attention in history class, chooses to do a cranial-rectal inversion, or is just a tool of Marxist brainwashing.
Do you think I am saying otherwise? That is why I started out my post with “I am no fan of communism.” But the fact is that communism in China did confer some benefits… the “barefoot doctors,” for example, which have now been abolished. That is, China should not have embraced communism, and it was totalitarian, but at least the poor did receive some benefits from the state. Those benefits are being taken away while totalitarianism stays in place.
I know, I’ve seen it in person, along with the unbearable suffering of the people of China under the unimaginable horrors of their government.
Your statement makes a mockery of those people and the hundreds of thousands who have died under the regime. Some of whom were my friends.
I don’t see how I am mocking anyone who died under the regime. I am sorry if that is how you are interpreting me.
I’m going to lump it into poor communication and give you a pass.
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OK got it…you hate China, I think you have made a point that everybody on this board already agrees with. China is an assbackward, shit hole of a country.
But if anybody should be giving out passes its Neph, he was polite and you were way out of line jumping his shit…now take your unhappy ass somewhere that people will give a crap about what you have to say.
[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
nephorm wrote:
MightyMaus wrote:
Yeah, it’s too bad all those people now have productive jobs and spending money they can use to buy their relatives out of the prison “re-education” camps. (Common practice in China)
I think the rising middle class in China is a great thing.
I lived in China for 6 years and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about you asshat.
Sorry to have hit a nerve.
The areas that have adopted capitalism are the ONLY places where people have a decent standard of living. My grandmother used to say “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect your an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt” - you are a perfect example.
My problem is not with the adoption of capitalism. My problem is with the government’s whole-hearted efforts to spread it to the detriment of those who relied on the services the state previously provided. They are stealing land and changing rules mid-game.
Besides, the original post was about Chinese totalitarianism allowing “The State” to appropriate your children for their own use. It’s an issue unrelated to Capitalism vs Communism.
Also, you cannot compare Communism against Capitalism because one is a form of government and the other an economic model. You can compare Democracy to Communism or Capitalism to Marxist Economics, but you can’t cross reference between the categories.
Many political theorists have held that capitalism has a necessary democratizing component, and that, in fact, the economic and political systems are inextricably bound. The example of China may prove this assumption to be incorrect.
It is from that standpoint that I “compare” communism and capitalism. Although, I do not think there is a problem treating communism as both an economic and a political model, since the claims that communism makes as political system are largely economic.
In any case Communism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Anyone who says otherwise either didn’t pay attention in history class, chooses to do a cranial-rectal inversion, or is just a tool of Marxist brainwashing.
Do you think I am saying otherwise? That is why I started out my post with “I am no fan of communism.” But the fact is that communism in China did confer some benefits… the “barefoot doctors,” for example, which have now been abolished. That is, China should not have embraced communism, and it was totalitarian, but at least the poor did receive some benefits from the state. Those benefits are being taken away while totalitarianism stays in place.
I know, I’ve seen it in person, along with the unbearable suffering of the people of China under the unimaginable horrors of their government.
Your statement makes a mockery of those people and the hundreds of thousands who have died under the regime. Some of whom were my friends.
I don’t see how I am mocking anyone who died under the regime. I am sorry if that is how you are interpreting me.
I’m going to lump it into poor communication and give you a pass.
Let me tell you a little story I witnessed first hand with a “barefoot doctor” in China…
The tiny village I lived in was hundreds of miles from anywhere. Less than 50 people lived there. I was there illegally and so when the Doctor would come, I would be hidden away in a section of a stone wall that was hollow and you could get into from behind a bush that hid it. I could see out through the cracks between the rocks though.
One day in the spring the doctor came and noted that three women in the village had given birth to their third baby each, in violation of the “2 children per family” limit. (In fact more than 1 child was frowned on and brought higher taxes etc)
He examined the children and mothers and then left. Three weeks later a caravan of 3 army trucks appeared and I was hidden away again. I watched as the soldiers arrived. An officer got out of the first truck and called out for the mothers and the new children. When they came forward the children were forcefully taken from the mothers. When one father tried to intervene the officer shot him in the head as casually as you or I would swat a fly. Trust me when I say that people shot in the head do not die instantly like in the movies. He screamed and gurgled for 20 minutes until he bled to death in front of his wife and children.
The three babies were given to female army nurses from the third truck. The mothers were then lead one at a time into the back of the second truck. After each one went in there was about a 5 minute silence, broken by the most horrifying screams you can possibly imagine. The kind that you honestly think might cause you to lose your sanity if it doesn’t stop. A few minutes after that the woman would be carried out by two soldiers who would hold her by her armpits and feet. They would carry her over and dump her at the feet of her family.
After all three women were “processed” they packed up and left, taking the babies with them.
I found out later that inside the truck they women were strapped into a gynecology exam table. They were roughly opened with a speculum and a long needle was inserted into their wombs. The needle injected a combination of Camphor and other chemicals. This combination caused a convulsion of the uterus so powerful it inverts through the cervix. The doctor then cut it off, along with her ovaries and sewed her cervix shut. All of this was done without anesthetics or any follow up antibiotics. One woman died within days from shock and the resulting infection. The other two woman aged 20 years in appearance in the following months. One woman was the wife of a friend and his grief over this was so great he was on the brink of suicide for months.
The Chinese government is the living embodiment of evil. In the end I left China because I couldn’t bear seeing it anymore.[/quote]
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
MightyMaus wrote:
The Chinese government is the living embodiment of evil. In the end I left China because I couldn’t bear seeing it anymore.
We agree on this.
And you are right that the so-called doctors were another tool of totalitarianism. That said, they were able to provide some basic medical care to people who needed it (and, unfortunately, to those who did not).
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Hitler did a lot of great things too. A lot of Americans supported him for his first few years. School’s and economies are a poor excuses for treating human beings like anything but. I now feel entirely lucky and trivial at the same time.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
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Christ you’re dim, Cletus.
That and a fragile ego’s wet dream.
Okay…back on topic here…not really…does anyone else think it’s gay to make running a sport? I mean…c’mon…everyone can run…even the communist Chinee. And this Phelps guy getting 8 medals…it’s still just swimming…not like he won a gold for a swimmy race, then won a gold for boxing, then one for bb-gun shooting, etc…it’s like letting the tennis players win a gold medal for winning on grass, then on clay, then on asphalt…still the same gay game…
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
Christ you’re dim, Cletus.
That and a fragile ego’s wet dream.[/quote]
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it?
I don’t get how they so blatantly get away with cheating, when even the announcers talk about the age controversy. Hell of a ballsy cover-up.
I mean, the average size of the girls on the chinese team is 4’9" and 77lbs. 77lbs!!! One of them isn’t even 70lbs! By contrast our lightest gymnast, Shawn Johnson, is 90lbs at 4’9".
Some more feel-good stuff from the games:
http://www.newser.com/story/34728/chinas-anthem-star-a-fake.html
Not sure if this has been covered elsewhere.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
Christ you’re dim, Cletus.
That and a fragile ego’s wet dream.
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it? [/quote]
They would rather trade in their genitals for a skateboard
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it? [/quote]
Dipshit, but hung like a punk-assed teenager.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
Christ you’re dim, Cletus.
That and a fragile ego’s wet dream.
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it? [/quote]
You and I were both in there arguing. And if I remember, you seemed pretty upset about all of it too. Are you now claiming that you didn’t get heated over the whole thing?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
rainjack wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
Christ you’re dim, Cletus.
That and a fragile ego’s wet dream.
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it?
You and I were both in there arguing. And if I remember, you seemed pretty upset about all of it too. Are you now claiming that you didn’t get heated over the whole thing?
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You need to pay attention and read what is written. Don’t post about something until you actually understand what is being said.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it?
Dipshit, but hung like a punk-assed teenager.
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that fact that you know how a punk-assed teenager is hung speaks volumes.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
that fact that you know how a punk-assed teenager is hung speaks volumes. [/quote]
We’re quite liberal in Canada.
If you guys want to talk about cheating - or at least the cover-boys for IOC clusterfucked judging - just watch a little Olympic Boxing.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
rainjack wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
And we have a bunch of dipshits on this board who are enraged over a cop taking some fucking punk-assed kid’s skateboard.
Christ you’re dim, Cletus.
That and a fragile ego’s wet dream.
You must be one of the dipshits.
Or one of the punk-assed teenagers.
Which is it?
You and I were both in there arguing. And if I remember, you seemed pretty upset about all of it too. Are you now claiming that you didn’t get heated over the whole thing?
You need to pay attention and read what is written. Don’t post about something until you actually understand what is being said.
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Unless I�??m mistaken, you were saying it was stupid for people to get upset over a kid getting his skate board taken away when there are real horrors going on in the world.
I agree with your point, to a point, hence I said I feel very trivial.
What I disagree with is your deflection onto other people. It�??s not �??they�?? should be ashamed, its �??we�?? should be ashamed.
You got irritated over people getting upset about a 14 year old getting his skateboard taken. How is that a more reasonable thing to argue than the people you are arguing against?
I�??d last like to point out the amazing parallels (not in degree) between the 2 stories with government uniformed officers violating human rights.
In the end, the fact that we get so upset by such a small infraction of rights is what makes this country great.