What’s this about Olympic Gymnastics?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
nephorm wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yea its called communism, you can do that.
Unfortunately for the people of China… no, it isn’t.
I am no fan of communism… but the real heartlessness of the Chinese regime is exposed in their newfound embrace of capitalism, to such an extent that the poor have lost the services and protection of the state, without having gained democratic reforms or representation.
oh, theyve been watching too much MTV seems like the US has been rubbing off on em.[/quote]
You’re an idiot.
He’s saying that China is shit, communism and capatalism aside, because it’s a dictatorship.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
You know…the more I hear about China the less I think of them…
OK, so I was watching women’s gymnastics tonight, and the announcers were talking about the 20 year old team captain for china…this is what one of the announcers said:
"She was taken away from her family at 3, and put into the olympic program. She would get to talk to her family maybe once per year. One day she called her family and said she wanted to go home. Her family knew what it would do for their status having her compete, so they told her ‘no you can’t come home’.
I mean seriously, wtf is wrong with this country? Talk about an inferiority complex. They take these kids away from their families when the kids are as young as 3, and then stick them in these olympic-factory programs…
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Some controversy over this documentary but…
Being in an olympic program sounds better than working in a sweatshop and still only getting to see your family once per year. Well, at least the food is probably better.
Still, some of those gymnasts had to be 13-14.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Rattler wrote:
The Olympics should have been here, plain and simple. I bet that American coach wishes so as well. That stuff doesn’t happen here.
I don’t agree that they should have been held in the US this year, but fucking china? If it takes 6 years to select a city, then how the fuck did they miss the fact that the pollution was so bad our athletes needed masks? Did they not realize that crapping in the middle of the street might not be accepted by other countries? How in the hell, with all the red tape that a city has to go through to host the olympics, did Beijing get it? [/quote]
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
yeah, I’m not saying the alternative (sweat shops, etc.) are any better…but neither should exist. No sweat shops, no olympic-factories.
All China’s doing is rigging a lot of the subjective events in their favor, so they can use them as propaganda. To me it makes no sense because they’re already oppressing their people, why not just make up some other lie to feed them?
I have nothing to add to this other than…FUCK TIVO. Yeah those guru guides work great, it didn’t even fucking record gymnastics! I am going on a breaking spree.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
I have nothing to add to this other than…FUCK TIVO. Yeah those guru guides work great, it didn’t even fucking record gymnastics! I am going on a breaking spree.[/quote]
Were you dissapointed you didn’t get to see the men’s floor exercises?
The sad fact is that there is a likelihood that this country is going to lead the world’s economics in the future.
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
The sad fact is that there is a likelihood that this country is going to lead the world’s economics in the future.[/quote]
Don’t believe the hype.
Interesting video, especially the part with the forensic artist.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=9245880&ch=6527422&src=sports
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Rattler wrote:
The Olympics should have been here, plain and simple. I bet that American coach wishes so as well. That stuff doesn’t happen here.
I don’t agree that they should have been held in the US this year, but fucking china? If it takes 6 years to select a city, then how the fuck did they miss the fact that the pollution was so bad our athletes needed masks? Did they not realize that crapping in the middle of the street might not be accepted by other countries? How in the hell, with all the red tape that a city has to go through to host the olympics, did Beijing get it? [/quote]
Bribe the IOC selection committee. IOC is about as corrupt as China itself.
In the midst of all this Olympics BS discussion, I’d like to know if anyone heard about the heavyweight lifter that qualified for a spot, then had his spot taken away because lifters from a different country failed drug testing? Apparently there is some ass backward qualification process.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
I am no fan of communism… but the real heartlessness of the Chinese regime is exposed in their newfound embrace of capitalism, to such an extent that the poor have lost the services and protection of the state, without having gained democratic reforms or representation.
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Bravo. Good post. The Chinese are getting the worst aspects of totalitarianism along with the worst aspects of laissez-faire capitalism.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yea its called communism, you can do that.
Unfortunately for the people of China… no, it isn’t.
I am no fan of communism… but the real heartlessness of the Chinese regime is exposed in their newfound embrace of capitalism, to such an extent that the poor have lost the services and protection of the state, without having gained democratic reforms or representation.
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Yeah, it’s too bad all those people now have productive jobs and spending money they can use to buy their relatives out of the prison “re-education” camps. (Common practice in China)
I lived in China for 6 years and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about you asshat. The areas that have adopted capitalism are the ONLY places where people have a decent standard of living. My grandmother used to say “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect your an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt” - you are a perfect example.
Besides, the original post was about Chinese totalitarianism allowing “The State” to appropriate your children for their own use. It’s an issue unrelated to Capitalism vs Communism.
Also, you cannot compare Communism against Capitalism because one is a form of government and the other an economic model. You can compare Democracy to Communism or Capitalism to Marxist Economics, but you can’t cross reference between the categories.
In any case Communism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Anyone who says otherwise either didn’t pay attention in history class, chooses to do a cranial-rectal inversion, or is just a tool of Marxist brainwashing.
I know, I’ve seen it in person, along with the unbearable suffering of the people of China under the unimaginable horrors of their government.
Your statement makes a mockery of those people and the hundreds of thousands who have died under the regime. Some of whom were my friends.
[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
nephorm wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yea its called communism, you can do that.
Unfortunately for the people of China… no, it isn’t.
I am no fan of communism… but the real heartlessness of the Chinese regime is exposed in their newfound embrace of capitalism, to such an extent that the poor have lost the services and protection of the state, without having gained democratic reforms or representation.
Yeah, it’s too bad all those people now have productive jobs and spending money they can use to buy their relatives out of the prison “re-education” camps. (Common practice in China)
I lived in China for 6 years and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about you asshat. The areas that have adopted capitalism are the ONLY places where people have a decent standard of living. My grandmother used to say “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect your an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt” - you are a perfect example.
Besides, the original post was about Chinese totalitarianism allowing “The State” to appropriate your children for their own use. It’s an issue unrelated to Capitalism vs Communism.
Also, you cannot compare Communism against Capitalism because one is a form of government and the other an economic model. You can compare Democracy to Communism or Capitalism to Marxist Economics, but you can’t cross reference between the categories.
In any case Communism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Anyone who says otherwise either didn’t pay attention in history class, chooses to do a cranial-rectal inversion, or is just a tool of Marxist brainwashing.
I know, I’ve seen it in person, along with the unbearable suffering of the people of China under the unimaginable horrors of their government.
Your statement makes a mockery of those people and the hundreds of thousands who have died under the regime. Some of whom were my friends.[/quote]
Epic post!
Anyhow, back to the original topic.
‘The Chinese faltered on the beam last night, leaving the door open for American gold. But Alicia Sacramone fell while mounting the apparatus (heh), negating the advantage. Sacramone then fell during her floor routine, while teammates Nastia Liukin and Shawn Johnson stepped out of bounds. The mistakes gave the gold to China, which got away with blatantly using girls under the legal competitive age of 16.’ withleather.com
BTW, doesn’t Alicia Sacramone has an awesome rack for a gymnast? Girl can really throw a mean punch too.
I wish it was a vid of America KTFO Communist China, instead it’s just some poor American student, damn.
DEMOCRACY-DEMOCRACY-DEMOCRACY!
[quote]MightyMaus wrote:
Yeah, it’s too bad all those people now have productive jobs and spending money they can use to buy their relatives out of the prison “re-education” camps. (Common practice in China)
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I think the rising middle class in China is a great thing.
Sorry to have hit a nerve.
My problem is not with the adoption of capitalism. My problem is with the government’s whole-hearted efforts to spread it to the detriment of those who relied on the services the state previously provided. They are stealing land and changing rules mid-game.
Many political theorists have held that capitalism has a necessary democratizing component, and that, in fact, the economic and political systems are inextricably bound. The example of China may prove this assumption to be incorrect.
It is from that standpoint that I “compare” communism and capitalism. Although, I do not think there is a problem treating communism as both an economic and a political model, since the claims that communism makes as political system are largely economic.
Do you think I am saying otherwise? That is why I started out my post with “I am no fan of communism.” But the fact is that communism in China did confer some benefits… the “barefoot doctors,” for example, which have now been abolished. That is, China should not have embraced communism, and it was totalitarian, but at least the poor did receive some benefits from the state. Those benefits are being taken away while totalitarianism stays in place.
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I know, I’ve seen it in person, along with the unbearable suffering of the people of China under the unimaginable horrors of their government.
Your statement makes a mockery of those people and the hundreds of thousands who have died under the regime. Some of whom were my friends.[/quote]
I don’t see how I am mocking anyone who died under the regime. I am sorry if that is how you are interpreting me.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
In the midst of all this Olympics BS discussion, I’d like to know if anyone heard about the heavyweight lifter that qualified for a spot, then had his spot taken away because lifters from a different country failed drug testing? Apparently there is some ass backward qualification process.[/quote]
Casey Burgerner
It’s an IWF, USAW problem.
There is more information at goheavy.com.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
MightyMaus wrote:
Yeah, it’s too bad all those people now have productive jobs and spending money they can use to buy their relatives out of the prison “re-education” camps. (Common practice in China)
I think the rising middle class in China is a great thing.
I lived in China for 6 years and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about you asshat.
Sorry to have hit a nerve.
The areas that have adopted capitalism are the ONLY places where people have a decent standard of living. My grandmother used to say “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect your an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt” - you are a perfect example.
My problem is not with the adoption of capitalism. My problem is with the government’s whole-hearted efforts to spread it to the detriment of those who relied on the services the state previously provided. They are stealing land and changing rules mid-game.
Besides, the original post was about Chinese totalitarianism allowing “The State” to appropriate your children for their own use. It’s an issue unrelated to Capitalism vs Communism.
Also, you cannot compare Communism against Capitalism because one is a form of government and the other an economic model. You can compare Democracy to Communism or Capitalism to Marxist Economics, but you can’t cross reference between the categories.
Many political theorists have held that capitalism has a necessary democratizing component, and that, in fact, the economic and political systems are inextricably bound. The example of China may prove this assumption to be incorrect.
It is from that standpoint that I “compare” communism and capitalism. Although, I do not think there is a problem treating communism as both an economic and a political model, since the claims that communism makes as political system are largely economic.
In any case Communism inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Anyone who says otherwise either didn’t pay attention in history class, chooses to do a cranial-rectal inversion, or is just a tool of Marxist brainwashing.
Do you think I am saying otherwise? That is why I started out my post with “I am no fan of communism.” But the fact is that communism in China did confer some benefits… the “barefoot doctors,” for example, which have now been abolished. That is, China should not have embraced communism, and it was totalitarian, but at least the poor did receive some benefits from the state. Those benefits are being taken away while totalitarianism stays in place.
I know, I’ve seen it in person, along with the unbearable suffering of the people of China under the unimaginable horrors of their government.
Your statement makes a mockery of those people and the hundreds of thousands who have died under the regime. Some of whom were my friends.
I don’t see how I am mocking anyone who died under the regime. I am sorry if that is how you are interpreting me. [/quote]
I’m going to lump it into poor communication and give you a pass.
Let me tell you a little story I witnessed first hand with a “barefoot doctor” in China…
The tiny village I lived in was hundreds of miles from anywhere. Less than 50 people lived there. I was there illegally and so when the Doctor would come, I would be hidden away in a section of a stone wall that was hollow and you could get into from behind a bush that hid it. I could see out through the cracks between the rocks though.
One day in the spring the doctor came and noted that three women in the village had given birth to their third baby each, in violation of the “2 children per family” limit. (In fact more than 1 child was frowned on and brought higher taxes etc)
He examined the children and mothers and then left. Three weeks later a caravan of 3 army trucks appeared and I was hidden away again. I watched as the soldiers arrived. An officer got out of the first truck and called out for the mothers and the new children. When they came forward the children were forcefully taken from the mothers. When one father tried to intervene the officer shot him in the head as casually as you or I would swat a fly. Trust me when I say that people shot in the head do not die instantly like in the movies. He screamed and gurgled for 20 minutes until he bled to death in front of his wife and children.
The three babies were given to female army nurses from the third truck. The mothers were then lead one at a time into the back of the second truck. After each one went in there was about a 5 minute silence, broken by the most horrifying screams you can possibly imagine. The kind that you honestly think might cause you to lose your sanity if it doesn’t stop. A few minutes after that the woman would be carried out by two soldiers who would hold her by her armpits and feet. They would carry her over and dump her at the feet of her family.
After all three women were “processed” they packed up and left, taking the babies with them.
I found out later that inside the truck they women were strapped into a gynecology exam table. They were roughly opened with a speculum and a long needle was inserted into their wombs. The needle injected a combination of Camphor and other chemicals. This combination caused a convulsion of the uterus so powerful it inverts through the cervix. The doctor then cut it off, along with her ovaries and sewed her cervix shut. All of this was done without anesthetics or any follow up antibiotics. One woman died within days from shock and the resulting infection. The other two woman aged 20 years in appearance in the following months. One woman was the wife of a friend and his grief over this was so great he was on the brink of suicide for months.
The Chinese government is the living embodiment of evil. In the end I left China because I couldn’t bear seeing it anymore.
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
AccipiterQ wrote:
You know…the more I hear about China the less I think of them…
OK, so I was watching women’s gymnastics tonight, and the announcers were talking about the 20 year old team captain for china…this is what one of the announcers said:
"She was taken away from her family at 3, and put into the olympic program. She would get to talk to her family maybe once per year. One day she called her family and said she wanted to go home. Her family knew what it would do for their status having her compete, so they told her ‘no you can’t come home’.
I mean seriously, wtf is wrong with this country? Talk about an inferiority complex. They take these kids away from their families when the kids are as young as 3, and then stick them in these olympic-factory programs…
Some controversy over this documentary but…
Being in an olympic program sounds better than working in a sweatshop and still only getting to see your family once per year. Well, at least the food is probably better.
Still, some of those gymnasts had to be 13-14.
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How many can tell the difference between a 13-14 year old Chinese girl and a 16 year old Chinese girl?