I am currently running 400mg enanthanate and 200 deca e3d, having alot of anxiety which is turning into agression, I realize this is dose related but the gains are killer and I am at the end of my cycle (about 3 weeks to go) also taking 20 mg nolva/day.
I was wondering if anybody knew of a good herb or something to calm me down until the test is out of my system?
St. John’s Wort may help.
Even better try and channel the agression. Obviously working out is good. View it as a hieghtned sense of awareness rahter then anxiety. It’s always been there, you are just noticing it more now. That calms me down.
I’ll give it a shot, thanks.
smoke a joint, except it may increase the anxiety if you are prone to it. either way it’s 5 bucks and you’ll know if it works in minutes.
sam-e might help too. Maca helps some too.
[quote]g185 wrote:
I am currently running 400mg enanthanate and 200 deca e3d, having alot of anxiety which is turning into agression, I realize this is dose related but the gains are killer and I am at the end of my cycle (about 3 weeks to go) also taking 20 mg nolva/day. I was wondering if anybody knew of a good herb or something to calm me down until the test is out of my system?[/quote]
I’ve never had this problem with AAS, but Nolvadex whacks me out bigtime.
why does the nolva mess with you?
xanax will do the trick, but very addicitive. Short term use shouldnt be a problem.
[quote]g185 wrote:
why does the nolva mess with you?[/quote]
It’s structurally similar to estrogen. It makes me feel weird, though it does the trick for the nutsac.
[quote]SPANISH FLY wrote:
xanax will do the trick, but very addicitive. Short term use shouldnt be a problem.[/quote]
It’s not too bad. The trick with benzo’s is to skip days. You have to have the self-control to not take it everyday, and you can take it forever without becoming addicted.
Well, I have been on it for 6 months with no dose increase, and I can take a week off without noticing any withdrawl symptoms. It has been awesome for me. Even on the off days my anxiety has gotten much better.
My doctor prescribed me an SSRI that didn’t help at all, and had way more side effects. I quit that and “self-prescribed” the ativan. Man am I glad I did.
[quote]T234 wrote:
Well, I have been on it for 6 months with no dose increase, and I can take a week off without noticing any withdrawl symptoms. It has been awesome for me. Even on the off days my anxiety has gotten much better.
My doctor prescribed me an SSRI that didn’t help at all, and had way more side effects. I quit that and “self-prescribed” the ativan. Man am I glad I did. [/quote]
What dose of xanax were you taking ???
[quote]T234 wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
xanax will do the trick, but very addicitive. Short term use shouldnt be a problem.
It’s not too bad. The trick with benzo’s is to skip days. You have to have the self-control to not take it everyday, and you can take it forever without becoming addicted.
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Slow down with that info bro, benzo’s are harder to kick than herion, you can detox off herion in a a couple of weeks, benzo’s can take months to even a year, you can also have seizures from going cold turkey from benzo’s.
Maybe your talking about a real low dose like .25 but from personal experience take 1 mg eod for a couple of months ??? YOUR FUCKED !!!
[quote]SPANISH FLY wrote:
What dose of xanax were you taking ???[/quote]
Well I chose to take ativan because of the slightly longer half-life, and I take 1mg at a time. I believe an equivalent dose of xanax would be half that. When I started it was per day, now it is every 3 days. When I have a serious need to take one before those 3 days, I take Inderal instead. I also went to counselling for a while, and that helped me stop all the small anxieties that would build up.
[quote]T234 wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
What dose of xanax were you taking ???
Well I chose to take ativan because of the slightly longer half-life, and I take 1mg at a time. I believe an equivalent dose of xanax would be half that. When I started it was per day, now it is every 3 days. When I have a serious need to take one before those 3 days, I take Inderal instead. I also went to counselling for a while, and that helped me stop all the small anxieties that would build up.
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Ativan is also pretty potent, xanax 1/2 life is about 8 hours, im not sure about ativan ( ativan is also used for alcohol detox ) valium 1/2 life is about 24 hours, they actully use valium to ween you off xanax because of the longer 1/2 life.
[quote]olderguy wrote:
I like to tell people that if I slammed a door on my penis four days in a row I’d be going to door slammers anonymous. So if you fall in that category in any sort of way I would stay away from xanax or those meds in general.
And if you drink, you find they are great for a hangover so guess what, you drink more and take a xanax or 2 in the morning in place of asprin.
But that doesn’t happen to everyone. [/quote]
If you drink that much that you need xanax to cure a hangover, you need to go to a meeting !!! Or just start drinking again .
[quote]SPANISH FLY wrote:
olderguy wrote:
I like to tell people that if I slammed a door on my penis four days in a row I’d be going to door slammers anonymous. So if you fall in that category in any sort of way I would stay away from xanax or those meds in general.
And if you drink, you find they are great for a hangover so guess what, you drink more and take a xanax or 2 in the morning in place of asprin.
But that doesn’t happen to everyone.
If you drink that much that you need xanax to cure a hangover, you need to go to a meeting !!! Or just start drinking again .[/quote]
Now why would I “just start drinking again”? Maybe I’m missing something.
And if you don’t drink, or never drank to where you had a vicious hangover, then you haven’t been in the position to know that in a half hour, a xanax can take that horrible feeling away. It wasn’t much of a choice for me and it sure as shit isn’t much of a choice for a lot of people. There are a lot of people that use xanax when they drink or to keep from drinking. I am of the latter.
And I would like to see the consensus that thinks valium is used for detox off xanax. That sounds like BS like
“cigarettes are more addictive than heroin”. I also think it is debatable that xanax is more addictive than heroin as you stated but I could be wrong.
This is a VERY medicated society we live in. MDs are giving away pain meds, benzos, SSRIs, you name it.
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Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .
[quote]SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .[/quote]
You meant “addict in recovery” didn’t you? Friends of Bill W. have to stick together…
[quote]KNB wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .
You meant “addict in recovery” didn’t you? Friends of Bill W. have to stick together…[/quote]
You got that right, people might be a little confused about our friend Bill W .