Anxiety/Aggression

Pharma
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[quote]olderguy wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .

I get it. My bad. I don’t claim to be to bright and I’ll try to read the post twice befor commenting.

You have quite the resume. I’m a 2 rehab guy myself and I ICU stay for an OD on methadone. Something new I thought I would try at 47 one afternoon which almost killed me. Life on the edge. I take 2 to 3mg xanax a day but have a tolerance to them. I really only feel them when I don’t take for a while. Not like I get goofy. 6yrs and it’s like a drunk having a white wine spritzer.

I see you are from NYC. I work in the World Financial Center down by the Trade Center. Well I did. Computer trading is taking over. But I live in Bayonne NJ.

I tell people that the most screwed up people I saw in rehabs were the drinkers. I’ll never forget the tremors this one guy had. But no matter what you are there for it’s not a picnic.

I hate to admit it but I was a functional drunk and drug addict since the 60s. Having been to a thousand meetings of all sorts, no door slammers yet, has helped me stay away from coke and booze. I must admit I’ve taken a few painkillers over the last few years. I’d like to say it was for 2 knee ops but that would be a lie. a bit. I am getting scoped on Thursday and I am considering going without narcotics. I’ll impress myself if I do.

Nothing like being open and honest. I like that.

And KNB does that mean your a member? LOL… And you never told me if I GOT YA over the Bourne movie. There was a line formed when we left and my wife said “don’t you dare” because she knows I like to say something stupid about the ending so people can hear. I never say what really happens, I just say something like, I didn’t know they killed Bruce Willis. I can’t help it, I’m just a dick like that.

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( I just liked to get out of myself ) Thats why we get high, but as im sure you know its only temporary !! You have to want it, some people will get it most wont. 6 years ago i was sleeping on the streets all i wanted was for the withdrawl to stop and the only cure at the time was to keep drinking ( alcohol w/d is one of the most insane feeling i have ever felt in my life, its like the devils in your body ) everyone wrote me off i had a warrant out on me and i was drinking myself to death 2- 1/2 gallons of Georgie vodka a day, when i say a day i drank 24 hours or i would start having seizures. At my bottom i had a 3 dollar metro card 2 dollars in change and a fake Rolex, my options were sell the watch for a couple of bucks, so i would have enough money to buy a pint, get on a bus go to detox, rehab, than face the judge or hit the liquor store worker with a brick, grab the vodka and run. Well i sold the fake watch got my pint got on the bus drank it got into detox, rehab, Spent a month in Brewster county jail ( instead of a year in Rikers ) Today i own a house in queens, a small house in the hamptons, and drive a brand new Mercedes !!! And till this minute i think about picking up a drink everyday, There is no cure only treatment.

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[quote]SPANISH FLY wrote:
olderguy wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .

I get it. My bad. I don’t claim to be to bright and I’ll try to read the post twice befor commenting.

You have quite the resume. I’m a 2 rehab guy myself and I ICU stay for an OD on methadone. Something new I thought I would try at 47 one afternoon which almost killed me. Life on the edge. I take 2 to 3mg xanax a day but have a tolerance to them. I really only feel them when I don’t take for a while. Not like I get goofy. 6yrs and it’s like a drunk having a white wine spritzer.

I see you are from NYC. I work in the World Financial Center down by the Trade Center. Well I did. Computer trading is taking over. But I live in Bayonne NJ.

I tell people that the most screwed up people I saw in rehabs were the drinkers. I’ll never forget the tremors this one guy had. But no matter what you are there for it’s not a picnic.

I hate to admit it but I was a functional drunk and drug addict since the 60s. Having been to a thousand meetings of all sorts, no door slammers yet, has helped me stay away from coke and booze. I must admit I’ve taken a few painkillers over the last few years. I’d like to say it was for 2 knee ops but that would be a lie. a bit. I am getting scoped on Thursday and I am considering going without narcotics. I’ll impress myself if I do.

Nothing like being open and honest. I like that.

And KNB does that mean your a member? LOL… And you never told me if I GOT YA over the Bourne movie. There was a line formed when we left and my wife said “don’t you dare” because she knows I like to say something stupid about the ending so people can hear. I never say what really happens, I just say something like, I didn’t know they killed Bruce Willis. I can’t help it, I’m just a dick like that.

( I just liked to get out of myself ) Thats why we get high, but as im sure you know its only temporary !! You have to want it, some people will get it most wont. 6 years ago i was sleeping on the streets all i wanted was for the withdrawl to stop and the only cure at the time was to keep drinking ( alcohol w/d is one of the most insane feeling i have ever felt in my life, its like the devils in your body ) everyone wrote me off i had a warrant out on me and i was drinking myself to death 2- 1/2 gallons of Georgie vodka a day, when i say a day i drank 24 hours or i would start having seizures. At my bottom i had a 3 dollar metro card 2 dollars in change and a fake Rolex, my options were sell the watch for a couple of bucks, so i would have enough money to buy a pint, get on a bus go to detox, rehab, than face the judge or hit the liquor store worker with a brick, grab the vodka and run. Well i sold the fake watch got my pint got on the bus drank it got into detox, rehab, Spent a month in Brewster county jail ( instead of a year in Rikers ) Today i own a house in queens, a small house in the hamptons, and drive a brand new Mercedes !!! And till this minute i think about picking up a drink everyday, There is no cure only treatment.[/quote]

I can honestly say I have probably drank less than a year combined since 91. I slipped a bit in 99 and like I say have played around with painkillers a bit since then.
I worked on the floor of the coffee and sugar market since the mid 70s and the floor in the 80s was nothing less than nuts. There was someone standing 10ft from you that sold ludes or coke. Everyone in my company met in the bar before work plenty of days. It was nuts. But it looks like we’ve survived.

I don’t have a Mercedes, or a house in the Hamptons for that matter, but it could be worse. It’s Saturday night and we could be in a club or a gutter, and not on the T-Nation website. LOL.

Are you over your liver situation?

I’m a little burnt but aside from that I’m in pretty good physical shape. Knee getting scoped Thursday. 3rd one so I’m not nervous.

Be well. I guess we covered Anxiety/Aggression. I think this is hijacking a thread.

If it bothers anyone, take some St. John’s Wart and 10 deep breaths.

Be well

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[quote]olderguy wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
olderguy wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .

I get it. My bad. I don’t claim to be to bright and I’ll try to read the post twice befor commenting.

You have quite the resume. I’m a 2 rehab guy myself and I ICU stay for an OD on methadone. Something new I thought I would try at 47 one afternoon which almost killed me. Life on the edge. I take 2 to 3mg xanax a day but have a tolerance to them. I really only feel them when I don’t take for a while. Not like I get goofy. 6yrs and it’s like a drunk having a white wine spritzer.

I see you are from NYC. I work in the World Financial Center down by the Trade Center. Well I did. Computer trading is taking over. But I live in Bayonne NJ.

I tell people that the most screwed up people I saw in rehabs were the drinkers. I’ll never forget the tremors this one guy had. But no matter what you are there for it’s not a picnic.

I hate to admit it but I was a functional drunk and drug addict since the 60s. Having been to a thousand meetings of all sorts, no door slammers yet, has helped me stay away from coke and booze. I must admit I’ve taken a few painkillers over the last few years. I’d like to say it was for 2 knee ops but that would be a lie. a bit. I am getting scoped on Thursday and I am considering going without narcotics. I’ll impress myself if I do.

Nothing like being open and honest. I like that.

And KNB does that mean your a member? LOL… And you never told me if I GOT YA over the Bourne movie. There was a line formed when we left and my wife said “don’t you dare” because she knows I like to say something stupid about the ending so people can hear. I never say what really happens, I just say something like, I didn’t know they killed Bruce Willis. I can’t help it, I’m just a dick like that.

( I just liked to get out of myself ) Thats why we get high, but as im sure you know its only temporary !! You have to want it, some people will get it most wont. 6 years ago i was sleeping on the streets all i wanted was for the withdrawl to stop and the only cure at the time was to keep drinking ( alcohol w/d is one of the most insane feeling i have ever felt in my life, its like the devils in your body ) everyone wrote me off i had a warrant out on me and i was drinking myself to death 2- 1/2 gallons of Georgie vodka a day, when i say a day i drank 24 hours or i would start having seizures. At my bottom i had a 3 dollar metro card 2 dollars in change and a fake Rolex, my options were sell the watch for a couple of bucks, so i would have enough money to buy a pint, get on a bus go to detox, rehab, than face the judge or hit the liquor store worker with a brick, grab the vodka and run. Well i sold the fake watch got my pint got on the bus drank it got into detox, rehab, Spent a month in Brewster county jail ( instead of a year in Rikers ) Today i own a house in queens, a small house in the hamptons, and drive a brand new Mercedes !!! And till this minute i think about picking up a drink everyday, There is no cure only treatment.

I can honestly say I have probably drank less than a year combined since 91. I slipped a bit in 99 and like I say have played around with painkillers a bit since then.
I worked on the floor of the coffee and sugar market since the mid 70s and the floor in the 80s was nothing less than nuts. There was someone standing 10ft from you that sold ludes or coke. Everyone in my company met in the bar before work plenty of days. It was nuts. But it looks like we’ve survived.

I don’t have a Mercedes, or a house in the Hamptons for that matter, but it could be worse. It’s Saturday night and we could be in a club or a gutter, and not on the T-Nation website. LOL.

Are you over your liver situation?

I’m a little burnt but aside from that I’m in pretty good physical shape. Knee getting scoped Thursday. 3rd one so I’m not nervous.

Be well. I guess we covered Anxiety/Aggression. I think this is hijacking a thread.

If it bothers anyone, take some St. John’s Wart and 10 deep breaths.

Be well

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Yeah sorry for hijaking the thread but hpoefully someone lerarned, something from my experience, As for my liver made a full recovery, but its the rest of my body that still suffers, i caused major nerve damage in my arns and legs, most of its gone except some numbnessin my right are, And also TRAZADONE is non addicitive, and is good for anxity and sleep.

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I’m glad your liver has regenerated itself. I hope there is a chance your nerve damage is reversible.

I remember an MD telling me when I was 25 or so that my liver was larger than it should be. Looking back I see I could have used a rehab at the age of 20. The problem is you’re young and feel invincible so I doubt it would have changed things much. They weren’t that prevalent back in the 70s.

I was pretty much a binge drinker from the get go but when most of your friends are doing the same you get lost in the shuffle. I grew up outside of Philly and when I go to see my Mom I stop and see some friends and I always meet them in a bar. It’s kinda sad because a few seem to no doubt be in need of some help. These are guys in their mid 50s who haven’t taken a break from drinking for 40yrs.

Not that anything abused is OK, but I agree with you that booze is up there with everything else. I know it killed my father when he was 64 and his mind and body was shot at 62. He worked all his life, was never really a drunk until later in life, paid his house off, left my Mom financially fit, and drank himself to death. I guess he had anxiety/aggression issues. LOL.

And knowing a little about chrystal meth from having a friend in the Breed MC back in the 70s, it makes me want to cry seeing these high school kids fucking with that. Talk about “spinning the chamber and putting the gun to your head”. The long term damage that shit does to your head is heartbreaking.

I consider myself fortunate that I had a short experience with meth, and never did crack or heroin. But in reality, that’s only because I didn’t hang with anyone that did. I know if it was around, I would have done it. And I tell that to my friends with young kids. They really have to watch who they hang with because it really only takes one friend to fuck their kid’s life up. I know I would be drug testing my kids at the first hint of any drug situation.

It’s scary shit and as much fun as I had was offset by all the BS it generated. There seems to always be a price to pay.

See ya

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[quote]olderguy wrote:
I’m glad your liver has regenerated itself. I hope there is a chance your nerve damage is reversible.

I remember an MD telling me when I was 25 or so that my liver was larger than it should be. Looking back I see I could have used a rehab at the age of 20. The problem is you’re young and feel invincible so I doubt it would have changed things much. They weren’t that prevalent back in the 70s.

I was pretty much a binge drinker from the get go but when most of your friends are doing the same you get lost in the shuffle. I grew up outside of Philly and when I go to see my Mom I stop and see some friends and I always meet them in a bar. It’s kinda sad because a few seem to no doubt be in need of some help. These are guys in their mid 50s who haven’t taken a break from drinking for 40yrs.

Not that anything abused is OK, but I agree with you that booze is up there with everything else. I know it killed my father when he was 64 and his mind and body was shot at 62. He worked all his life, was never really a drunk until later in life, paid his house off, left my Mom financially fit, and drank himself to death. I guess he had anxiety/aggression issues. LOL.

And knowing a little about chrystal meth from having a friend in the Breed MC back in the 70s, it makes me want to cry seeing these high school kids fucking with that. Talk about “spinning the chamber and putting the gun to your head”. The long term damage that shit does to your head is heartbreaking.

I consider myself fortunate that I had a short experience with meth, and never did crack or heroin. But in reality, that’s only because I didn’t hang with anyone that did. I know if it was around, I would have done it. And I tell that to my friends with young kids. They really have to watch who they hang with because it really only takes one friend to fuck their kid’s life up. I know I would be drug testing my kids at the first hint of any drug situation.

It’s scary shit and as much fun as I had was offset by all the BS it generated. There seems to always be a price to pay.

See ya
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I was living on the streets and still didnt think i had a problem !!! Go figure. If anybody did to me what i did to myself i would have f’n killed em !!!

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[quote]olderguy wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .

I get it. My bad. I don’t claim to be to bright and I’ll try to read the post twice befor commenting.

You have quite the resume. I’m a 2 rehab guy myself and I ICU stay for an OD on methadone. Something new I thought I would try at 47 one afternoon which almost killed me. Life on the edge. I take 2 to 3mg xanax a day but have a tolerance to them. I really only feel them when I don’t take for a while. Not like I get goofy. 6yrs and it’s like a drunk having a white wine spritzer.

I see you are from NYC. I work in the World Financial Center down by the Trade Center. Well I did. Computer trading is taking over. But I live in Bayonne NJ.

I tell people that the most screwed up people I saw in rehabs were the drinkers. I’ll never forget the tremors this one guy had. But no matter what you are there for it’s not a picnic.

I hate to admit it but I was a functional drunk and drug addict since the 60s. Having been to a thousand meetings of all sorts, no door slammers yet, has helped me stay away from coke and booze. I must admit I’ve taken a few painkillers over the last few years. I’d like to say it was for 2 knee ops but that would be a lie. I just liked to get out of myself a bit. I am getting scoped on Thursday and I am considering going without narcotics. I’ll impress myself if I do.

Nothing like being open and honest. I like that.

And KNB does that mean your a member? LOL… And you never told me if I GOT YA over the Bourne movie. There was a line formed when we left and my wife said “don’t you dare” because she knows I like to say something stupid about the ending so people can hear. I never say what really happens, I just say something like, I didn’t know they killed Bruce Willis. I can’t help it, I’m just a dick like that.

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Yes, you GOT ME on the movie. I fell for it. Then I heard Bourne didn’t die… I too was introduced to the friends of Bill W. years ago. I was ordered to attend and just showed up instead of changing my life. It wasn’t until years later I realized I was an accident waiting to happen, and wasn’t ready to die like those before me had. I also had a sponsor/mentor that taught me I was full of s**t, and how to grow up. Isn’t that funny… people stop the narcotics, and start on the Class III’s. Talk about being a meathead.

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Thanks for all the input people,I have heard that ssri’s or the anti anxiety meds have made some people have a loss of libido is this a common side?

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[quote]g185 wrote:
Thanks for all the input people,I have heard that ssri’s or the anti anxiety meds have made some people have a loss of libido is this a common side?[/quote]

FUCK YEAH !!!

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[quote]KNB wrote:
olderguy wrote:
SPANISH FLY wrote:
Ever hear of hair of the dog ?? it was a joke !! Valium has a longer 1/2 life than xanax, so the withdrawls wont come as fast and you can ween off a lot eaiser, and i never said xanax was more addicitive than herion i said it was harder and longer to detox off of, ya gotta read the whole post before making a comment, and i know this because ive been in 19 detox’s 4 rehabs, mutiple hospital stays for liver damage ( jaundice ) Yeah im a full blown addict, i got sober 5 years ago june 1st, but out of all the drugs were talkin about and others, it was the alcohol that took me out !!! These are my experiences, and research, and my opinion’s .

I get it. My bad. I don’t claim to be to bright and I’ll try to read the post twice befor commenting.

You have quite the resume. I’m a 2 rehab guy myself and I ICU stay for an OD on methadone. Something new I thought I would try at 47 one afternoon which almost killed me. Life on the edge. I take 2 to 3mg xanax a day but have a tolerance to them. I really only feel them when I don’t take for a while. Not like I get goofy. 6yrs and it’s like a drunk having a white wine spritzer.

I see you are from NYC. I work in the World Financial Center down by the Trade Center. Well I did. Computer trading is taking over. But I live in Bayonne NJ.

I tell people that the most screwed up people I saw in rehabs were the drinkers. I’ll never forget the tremors this one guy had. But no matter what you are there for it’s not a picnic.

I hate to admit it but I was a functional drunk and drug addict since the 60s. Having been to a thousand meetings of all sorts, no door slammers yet, has helped me stay away from coke and booze. I must admit I’ve taken a few painkillers over the last few years. I’d like to say it was for 2 knee ops but that would be a lie. I just liked to get out of myself a bit. I am getting scoped on Thursday and I am considering going without narcotics. I’ll impress myself if I do.

Nothing like being open and honest. I like that.

And KNB does that mean your a member? LOL… And you never told me if I GOT YA over the Bourne movie. There was a line formed when we left and my wife said “don’t you dare” because she knows I like to say something stupid about the ending so people can hear. I never say what really happens, I just say something like, I didn’t know they killed Bruce Willis. I can’t help it, I’m just a dick like that.

Yes, you GOT ME on the movie. I fell for it. Then I heard Bourne didn’t die… I too was introduced to the friends of Bill W. years ago. I was ordered to attend and just showed up instead of changing my life. It wasn’t until years later I realized I was an accident waiting to happen, and wasn’t ready to die like those before me had. I also had a sponsor/mentor that taught me I was full of s**t, and how to grow up. Isn’t that funny… people stop the narcotics, and start on the Class III’s. Talk about being a meathead.
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Bring the body and hopfully the mind will follow.

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[quote]olderguy wrote:

This is a VERY medicated society we live in. MDs are giving away pain meds, benzos, SSRIs, you name it.

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Just something I came accross in the news today:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/ap_on_he_me/world_of_pain_8;_ylt=Ast9LZ3XsNqVUGMCDCGWGQAE1vAI

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Dropped the doseage to 250 mg test e3d deca already done running about 3 more weeks on test , dropped nolva to 10 mg/day started taking st. johns wort and gaba things are going alot smoother.

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[quote]g185 wrote:
Dropped the doseage to 250 mg test e3d deca already done running about 3 more weeks on test , dropped nolva to 10 mg/day started taking st. johns wort and gaba things are going alot smoother.[/quote]

Great !!!