if anyone needs a self help book, its you dude.
Here is a little excerpt from Dave Tate’s Book “Raising the Bar”. As someone I truely admire and respect, Dave puts into words exactly as I see the world and the difference between the types of people in it.
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Here is a little excerpt from Dave Tate’s Book “Raising the Bar”. As someone I truely admire and respect, Dave puts into words exactly as I see the world and the difference between the types of people in it.
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This guy is talking about the realities of life; that’s not Self Help ™ - the sort of garbage I’ve been discussing authored by quacks, liars, knaves, rubes, and hucksters like:
Brian Tracy
Deepok Chopra
Suze Orman
Anthony Robbins
Zig Ziglar
Dr. Phil McGraw
Joe Vitale
Timothy Ferriss
Steve Pavlina
Donald Trump
Robert Kiyosaki
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
if anyone needs a self help book, its you dude.
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I’ll keep this in mind: “I need a self help book because I dislike self help books and I’m pretty happy with my life.”
Thanks.
[quote]usctrojansfan wrote:
The more people that make the world a new and better place in order to function a higher efficiency is going to make money. Everyone can be wealthy because if you think NEW RATHER THAN PAST and not like the FUTURE scare you, you’ll expand the economy and you won’t have to take from some one else.
Just because you can’t free yourself to think new thoughts or come up with new evolved ideas, don’t get mad at people for it.
I can’t wait for that new movie INCEPTION to come out. [/quote]
Still haven’t answered my questions and making statements that have nothing to do with what people are discussing here.
I just really appreciate you coming up with dumb shit that no one here expresses, such as opposition to new, evolved ideas and resentment of successful people. Where my dislike of self help garbage implies that I have no respect or wish the worst for others is fucking beyond me.
But you’re the genius on human behavior and psychology.
So everyone can be wealthy if they just change their mindset, eh? THIS is fucking hysterical!
Just a change in their thinking will have garbage men; teachers; cops; postal workers and mailmen; gravediggers; hearse, cab, bus, and limo drivers; miners; UPS men; firefighters; tomato pickers; cashiers; deli clerks; social workers; and the Mexican who made my salad at Moe’s Grill today earning 250K to seven figures one day.
Thanks. You really should write a finance or self help book or psychology or sociology book one day.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Suze Orman
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I’m confused on that one. Thought she just gave fairly sound financial advice on CNBC or something. People call in with a “pay down mortgage or pay down credit card” type question and she gives a fairly common sense answer to those poor souls.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Suze Orman
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I’m confused on that one. Thought she just gave fairly sound financial advice on CNBC or something. People call in with a “pay down mortgage or pay down credit card” type question and she gives a fairly common sense answer to those poor souls. [/quote]
Have you read half to full of any of her books?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
This guy is talking about the realities of life; that’s not Self Help ™ - the sort of garbage I’ve been discussing authored by quacks, liars, knaves, rubes, and hucksters like:
Brian Tracy
Deepok Chopra
Suze Orman
Anthony Robbins
Zig Ziglar
Dr. Phil McGraw
Joe Vitale
Timothy Ferriss
Steve Pavlina
Donald Trump
Robert Kiyosaki[/quote]
Right, that was my point, facing the realities of life and taking control yourself is the only real “self help”. Learning how to do that is not something somebody is going to teach you in a book, or by listening to a CD. Its something that requires trial and error, or someone you trust that has been there before to help guide you along the way. Not some stranger who rights a generic book for everyone to read, all while making money from it.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Suze Orman
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I’m confused on that one. Thought she just gave fairly sound financial advice on CNBC or something. People call in with a “pay down mortgage or pay down credit card” type question and she gives a fairly common sense answer to those poor souls. [/quote]
Have you read half to full of any of her books? [/quote]
Nope. Guess I’d see a marked difference between the TV advice and what’s in print. Interesting (but not enough to shell out $ to prove it).
[quote]usctrojansfan wrote:
I sometimes wonder if people like the guy above had some abuse when they were younger, making them this paranoid. It’s actually a good theory. maybe a topic for a new thread if people were honest. You’d be surprised. [/quote]
Wrong!
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]OWspider wrote:
If you think the men and women of this country who DEFEND YOU are tools then GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY BITCH[/quote]
I dont need to be defended thanks anyway[/quote]
Then Get Out! You don’t know how lucky you are to be in a free country, freedom aint cheap, we need soldiers!
Just wondering: what do you think about cops, firefighters and anyone else who takes risks to save lives? Are they also just tools to your small mind? Your an asshole.
[quote]OWspider wrote:
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]OWspider wrote:
If you think the men and women of this country who DEFEND YOU are tools then GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY BITCH[/quote]
I dont need to be defended thanks anyway[/quote]
Then Get Out! You don’t know how lucky you are to be in a free country, freedom aint cheap, we need soldiers!
Just wondering: what do you think about cops, firefighters and anyone else who takes risks to save lives? Are they also just tools to your small mind? Your an asshole.[/quote]
no
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
no[/quote]
lol
jasmincar , you must be maddening to fight with in real life.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
So everyone can be wealthy if they just change their mindset, eh? THIS is fucking hysterical!
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Brick, while I see how this can seem a little preposterous to you, and it most certainly is NOT as SIMPLE as just changing your mindset, BUT (you knew there was a but coming, right? LOL) changing your belief system and the resulting paradigm shift can be very powerful.
Here’s an example, and I will draw from my OWN experience, not making shit up or reading from a book:
I was sixteen and just got kicked out/left home. I instantly went into “survival mode”. I had to find shelter at one in the morning on a Saturday night. I failed to do so (remember I’m an old fucker and there weren’t cell phones yet) so I slept on a bench in a nearby park with one eye open. I was angry, feeling sorry for myself and pretty much cursing god for giving me such a shitty situation to live in. I had my nose broken and bleeding from the fight I had gotten into with my stepfather and I was in jeans and a bloody tee shirt. I thought I had hit bottom but the truth is, I wasn’t even close.
Would you say my mindset was a little on the negative side? Totally reactive perhaps? I ended up, a few days and many miles of walking and thinking later, at an older girl’s house that I knew. She is someone I am friends with to this day and I am now the Godfather to her daughter. She took me in, cleaned me up, fed me and fucked me. Her brother was pretty well connected with various criminal elements and since he hung out at her house all the time, we ended up getting acquainted and I ended up working for him. Selling drugs. Carrying a gun. Beating up people who owed him money. He paid well (or what I thought was well) and that’s all that mattered to me.
So do you see how my MINDSET determined what my ACTIONS were? I honestly believed that I had no other options! I was pretty much doing the only thing I knew how to do - the only thing I was EXPOSED TO. My mind was operating on a survival level, living on instinct and self preservation. One could say that during that time I was classically Antisocial (the psychological definition, not the afraid to talk to people definition) some would say borderline psychotic, although I never got pleasure from hurting anyone. I was working for someone and I was following orders. As long as I followed orders, I was taken care of and felt important. I was about to learn a very important lesson about trust. I was picking up some product and on my way, I was robbed. Apparently I failed to keep a low profile and I was held up at gunpoint. Now I had no money and no drugs. When I got back to my friend’s house and told her what happened, she was very upset. She tried to talk to her brother for me, but business was business. If I didn’t come up with the money, he was going to shoot me. I “thought” we were boyz. I “thought” I wasn’t expendable cuz I was fucking his sister. WRONG.
So, being the problem solver that I am, I figured turnabout was fair play so I went and robbed a small business in south Baltimore. Now here’s where it got interesting for me: I had a total paradigm shift in those few days. 1) I learned you can’t trust ANYONE and that “friends” would not help you or give a shit about you when you are down and money is involved. 2) I learned that being flashy will cause problems NOT just with cops, but with other people like me. 3) I learned that by robbing places I could make more money in under two minutes than I EVER did in a month of selling drugs and being someone’s expendable right hand (I learned the value of leveraging time). 4) I learned that fear is one of the most powerful motivators there is.
Talk about a paradigm shift! Do you see how that happened? I shifted my way of thinking, which caused a different course of ACTION! I simultaneously gained independence AND status at the same time. My street cred grew and I started making a living on my own by robbing and stealing. I didn’t get caught until about a year and half later.
So what is the only difference between my life, socio-economic status, and income between the night I left home and the night I got busted? The ideas I was exposed to, subsequent thoughts and resulting ACTIONS. My education didn’t change - I got my GED in prison.
I’d say my mindset was the only thing that changed. Fast forward about twenty years and one or two (or 3,4,5 or 6 LOL) paradigm shifts later, and I am NOTHING at all like the person that I was.
I DO think (and perhaps this is what you meant by your statement) that changing your mindset (permanently shifting a paradigm) from just reading a book is highly improbable. It took some pretty intense experiences for me to make such dramatic shifts. But that is how change DOES occur. Once the mind shifts, the actions become different, the people you associate with become different, your habits become different, etc… It really does begin with the mind.
If people can change from the ideas they read, which changes some habits and ultimately leads to a paradigm shift, then is it such a bad thing? I agree that the pie in the sky dreaming WITHOUT action is completely fruitless, but what if someone changed their life from reading one of these books? Doesn’t that justify it? Doesn’t that make it worth considering? People are wired very differently and come from some VERY unique backgrounds. What may not work for you, may be just what someone else needs. Just a little food for thought.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
She is someone I am friends with to this day and I am now the Godfather to her daughter. She took me in, cleaned me up, fed me and fucked me. [/quote]
lol I know that wouldn’t have happen to me in the same situation
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
She is someone I am friends with to this day and I am now the Godfather to her daughter. She took me in, cleaned me up, fed me and fucked me. [/quote]
lol I know that wouldn’t have happen to me in the same situation
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Which part? There are about six statements there…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
So everyone can be wealthy if they just change their mindset, eh? THIS is fucking hysterical!
[/quote]
Brick, while I see how this can seem a little preposterous to you, and it most certainly is NOT as SIMPLE as just changing your mindset, BUT (you knew there was a but coming, right? LOL) changing your belief system and the resulting paradigm shift can be very powerful.
Here’s an example, and I will draw from my OWN experience, not making shit up or reading from a book:
I was sixteen and just got kicked out/left home. I instantly went into “survival mode”. I had to find shelter at one in the morning on a Saturday night. I failed to do so (remember I’m an old fucker and there weren’t cell phones yet) so I slept on a bench in a nearby park with one eye open. I was angry, feeling sorry for myself and pretty much cursing god for giving me such a shitty situation to live in. I had my nose broken and bleeding from the fight I had gotten into with my stepfather and I was in jeans and a bloody tee shirt. I thought I had hit bottom but the truth is, I wasn’t even close.
Would you say my mindset was a little on the negative side? Totally reactive perhaps? I ended up, a few days and many miles of walking and thinking later, at an older girl’s house that I knew. She is someone I am friends with to this day and I am now the Godfather to her daughter. She took me in, cleaned me up, fed me and fucked me. Her brother was pretty well connected with various criminal elements and since he hung out at her house all the time, we ended up getting acquainted and I ended up working for him. Selling drugs. Carrying a gun. Beating up people who owed him money. He paid well (or what I thought was well) and that’s all that mattered to me.
So do you see how my MINDSET determined what my ACTIONS were? I honestly believed that I had no other options! I was pretty much doing the only thing I knew how to do - the only thing I was EXPOSED TO. My mind was operating on a survival level, living on instinct and self preservation. One could say that during that time I was classically Antisocial (the psychological definition, not the afraid to talk to people definition) some would say borderline psychotic, although I never got pleasure from hurting anyone. I was working for someone and I was following orders. As long as I followed orders, I was taken care of and felt important. I was about to learn a very important lesson about trust. I was picking up some product and on my way, I was robbed. Apparently I failed to keep a low profile and I was held up at gunpoint. Now I had no money and no drugs. When I got back to my friend’s house and told her what happened, she was very upset. She tried to talk to her brother for me, but business was business. If I didn’t come up with the money, he was going to shoot me. I “thought” we were boyz. I “thought” I wasn’t expendable cuz I was fucking his sister. WRONG.
So, being the problem solver that I am, I figured turnabout was fair play so I went and robbed a small business in south Baltimore. Now here’s where it got interesting for me: I had a total paradigm shift in those few days. 1) I learned you can’t trust ANYONE and that “friends” would not help you or give a shit about you when you are down and money is involved. 2) I learned that being flashy will cause problems NOT just with cops, but with other people like me. 3) I learned that by robbing places I could make more money in under two minutes than I EVER did in a month of selling drugs and being someone’s expendable right hand (I learned the value of leveraging time). 4) I learned that fear is one of the most powerful motivators there is.
Talk about a paradigm shift! Do you see how that happened? I shifted my way of thinking, which caused a different course of ACTION! I simultaneously gained independence AND status at the same time. My street cred grew and I started making a living on my own by robbing and stealing. I didn’t get caught until about a year and half later.
So what is the only difference between my life, socio-economic status, and income between the night I left home and the night I got busted? The ideas I was exposed to, subsequent thoughts and resulting ACTIONS. My education didn’t change - I got my GED in prison.
I’d say my mindset was the only thing that changed. Fast forward about twenty years and one or two (or 3,4,5 or 6 LOL) paradigm shifts later, and I am NOTHING at all like the person that I was.
I DO think (and perhaps this is what you meant by your statement) that changing your mindset (permanently shifting a paradigm) from just reading a book is highly improbable. It took some pretty intense experiences for me to make such dramatic shifts. But that is how change DOES occur. Once the mind shifts, the actions become different, the people you associate with become different, your habits become different, etc… It really does begin with the mind.
If people can change from the ideas they read, which changes some habits and ultimately leads to a paradigm shift, then is it such a bad thing? I agree that the pie in the sky dreaming WITHOUT action is completely fruitless, but what if someone changed their life from reading one of these books? Doesn’t that justify it? Doesn’t that make it worth considering? People are wired very differently and come from some VERY unique backgrounds. What may not work for you, may be just what someone else needs. Just a little food for thought.[/quote]
I like your post, as I do all of them.
But did you care to look at the situations and professions I mentioned. I didn’t even mentioned the FINANCIALLY VALUED skills and attributes someone needs to become a millionaire, some of which are obtained academically and some of which are just INHERENT (eg, intelligence, socioeconomic class, upbringing, etc).
I did. I was just making the point that change can start with the mind. I’ve spent time with some at risk kids, who most people would just “write off” as being hopeless, but some of them (not all) have really started making some positive changes. All I did was challenge their belief system and help them re-frame some of their deep rooted self limiting beliefs.
Angry chicken, two things:
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You need to write an ebook about your life story–seriously, I’d read that in one sitting. You are a pretty extrordinary person bro
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You talk about the potential good those books could do, but what about the potential BAD? That’s what Brickn is talking about in this thread. Some people go out and set unrealistic goals, and then are constantly dissatisfied because they never hit those goals.
I think wealth is one of those goals that a lot of people aren’t in the situation to gain(or it wouldn’t make sense for them to gain it since it would involve losing a lot of time/taking on a lot of risk).
That danger is there. It’s not there in Tony Robbins “Get the Edge”, which is basically just about being an optimal performer/enjoying this life the best you can, but it’s there in Brian Tracy. For you, a young guy who got ahold of this stuff, this self help material was life-saving. But you obviously had a pretty unique psychology already going into the self help material.
I mean, you were already an intense person. You were selling drugs and you robbed a store. I bet you got into some fights and showed other signs of intensity(maybe video-game addict at some point?).
I don’t know really, I’m just trying to tell you that Jesus was the man, and used that parable of the sower, which is a pretty relevant parable: the same message takes with one person and not another.
Except that parable should be altered a bit, because it’s not that messages don’t ‘take’ to certain people and they do to others, but that one individual message is interpreted/applied very differently by different people. IE, the Christian message. Made my brother a pretty good guy, made me a beta fag. We both applied it differently.
The 4 hour work week is like that, that book is a piece of shit propoganda piece, yet I’ve been on the forum and have seen these people who are quitting their jobs/avoiding legitmately increasing their skillset/marketability to start some BS affiliate marketing career. But I’ve also seen a guy who started a lucrative japanese car import business from the same message.
Meh, it’s pretty weird. I think people just interpret messages differently. One person focuses in on some positive things in Zig’s books, the things that actually will make a difference(i.e. the importance of self image, the importance of being friendly, the power of setting SMALL goals to start and then work with those), and others focus on the BS promise claims.
Anyways, this community should be really well-read in self help literature. I know that Cressey talked about some of the books he was reading in a thread, and they were very ‘self help’ oriented. Afterall, bodybuilding is viewed by us as something that improves ourselves. 
Edit: I just wanted to add, I’m a successful guy who runs an internet business. My story is similar to your story in the themes. The difference is that you were engaged in one type of fruitless labor, crime, and I was engaged in another, online gaming/compulsive guitar playing. At some point, I think we both went through identical psychological shifts.
When you said that you realized the game was rigged(or something like that), you were basically saying that you believed your current lifestyle was undesirable. Same with me.
Then you got ahold of some outside inspiration(maybe from biographies?) that made you realize you could free yourself from that undesirable station. Same here(it was Tony Robbins for me, Get the Edge from a torrent site).
Then, you began taking action and building momentum. same here.
Now, you’ve followed your momentum along and you are successful. Same here.
I was the unproductive video-game nerd/guitar player who dropped out and became a basement dwelling fatty, you were something a lot different, but I think that path to success(both in business) was pretty similar. Though, we both had inactive character qualities I believe, or I should say–characteristics that were being exercised in minor ways(unproductive ways).
This requires a longer post, but I have to get back to work. 7 days a week playa–I run two SEO businesses, one specializing in high caliber jobs(15k+) and another that is built to handle local businesses with a low front-end sale and a very profitable back-end(year subscriptions to my small biz marketing newsletter, copy analysis from a copywriting firm who I have a deal with). It’s pretty awesome.
the way you talk just sounds like over-compensation, thats all