they both work…
you need to try both ways and see which you prefer…
if you ask 20 different pros what their routine is…you will get 20 different answers…there is no best program…and the more you lift you will realize it is really about the effort you put in everyday in the gym and kitchen…not about the small details like synergistic vs antagonistic splits…
you’re still missing it
its not cliche, its just seems that way because you heard it so many times Because its true
both have been used effectively, you know this or you wouldn’t ask (because it wouldn’t be a choice, you’d just do the one that works)
look for the bigger picture, its there
Do both, I’ve usually done more antagonistic programs and some where the two muscle groups aren’t related (upper/lower with shorter rest periods). The latter I use for fat loss. I guess they all have their uses.
Anyway don’t take what anyone says to personally. You can choose which posts to respond to and which not to. I read X’s posts and always ask “what’s he trying to say and how can I use it in my own training/diet/life?”. That’s about it.
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You’re not rambling, your responding. I appreciate it Doyle.
If Sympathetic wasn’t the right word I apologize, synergistic? I’m not sure.
I didn’t ask about these two different styles because one or both is “trendy”… I asked if any of you have used these methods and to what end. The formula around here seems to be:
I think it’s a fair question. Thib has written about antagonistic pairings (Beast Building).
Don’t just work hard, work smart and hard. I come on here to get smarter. I agree that some people over think, but if I’ve got 15 minutes at work to ask a refining question to try to train smarter, whats the harm?
And for the predictable, “Prof wasn’t being dismissive, what are you talking about” comment:
“even using those terms in that way is to miss the point completely.”
“What I DON’T do is base how I train off of some arbitrary pairing of muscle groups as if this is magic.”
I don’t see where in my post I said anything about magic, and it sure as heck isn’t an “arbitrary pairing”, the whole point of this question was to learn more about pairings and see what has worked for whom. So far in 7 responses only Doyle has managed to actually answer my question.
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I thought it was funny…and I gave my own opinion also. Way to douche up my morning.[/quote]
Was this your opinion, “never fall for a new trend man”… because it was actually just a paraphrase of what Prof X said as well. I’m sure if you ask real nice he will let you follow him around and repeat some other things too.
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There was another half to that sentence, you sound like you may have an insecurity problem or something, I read your other thread and it seems like you have a hatred for anyone bigger than you or in better shape.
edit: It’s an online forum, don’t take things to personally, shit gets repeated and stupid things are said. If you want to possibly take something from it, take that I said listen to your body.
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Nate- You are huge and I am madly jealous of that. Being 6’3 I obviously walk around cowering at all of the “big” people. Solid theory.
After Nates post, there was a lot of information. Thank you everyone! Worzel I’ve been reading more about Sherrington’s Law and there is a lot of great stuff. I appreciate the response.