^^^^ Oh my, I am going to have to read that about 20-25 times before my reading comprehension challenged mind will be able to grasp any of it, LOl. !
Thanks for all the information!
[quote]Rudy2401 wrote:
Hey Spock,
Something that worked for me to really get tension in my glutes and hamstrings was when standing at the top of the lift, stick your bum back as hard as you can and develop an arch in your lower back. Then sit back as far as you can before bending down at the knees. This will develop a massive amount of tension. Then grab the bar, drop your bum and lever yourself like your falling backwards. Watch videos of Mike Turscherer dead-lifting. That is very similar to my style of lifting. Good luck have fun.[/quote]
All of the above posters advice makes sense to me but this is almost my exact setup…
Looks like your not “setting your hips” and creating an arch in your low back hence the rounding…
I also had to start focusing on dropping my butt down when starting the pull…keeps my hips from shooting up to fast…
Don’t be afraid to let the bar drag on your legs either…
Nothing wrong with video and being conscious of good form…keeps me honest anyhow…
Okay new video to watch and judge!!!
I am weaker with the new form tinkering, but I am very excited that I’ll be strong like bull in no time flat!
200 x 1
oh and EDIT: Please don’t judge my funny pulling the slack out of the bar thingie, HAHA, I am still learning.
EDIT X’s 2: YES I AM WEARING AWESOME ROLLING STONES SOCKS
And here’s another one with less weight to see the difference and yaddda yadda
165 x 5
Pulling the slack out is what you do right as you’re about to lift off. I personally think of it like “pulling myself into the bar” and it happens in the instant before liftoff. If you pull yourself towards the bar, it will come off it’s resting spot and be tight against the weights, because it has to brace itself against your pull.
Before your next pull, walk up to the bar and grab it and shake it a bit. The way the bar moves while being inside the weights is the “slack”. You just want to make sure it is taught and ready to be pulled before you start pushing hard off the ground. Basically you should be ALMOST lifting the weight off the ground - you can feel some of the weight in your hands - before pushing up. Like you’re trying to get an idea of how heavy it is before you lift.
It’s a simple concept that is really hard to describe, at least for me.
All in all you are miles ahead of most. The only other thing I’d add on top of what others are saying is I think you’re over-extending at the top like I used to. A minor gripe (and hard to tell because the vid cuts off your head), but you should be standing more or less straight vertically at the top, no need to lean your upper back way out past your ass. Not sure if it actually affects performance but need to move further than you have to.
yes pulling the slack out of the bar was cute 
scj is correct, when you set up, just pullup firmly on the bar it will move to the top of the weights, yes this is hard to describe, but overthink it.
Your form actually looks tons better, and from looking in the mirror it does look like the bar is “sliding” up your legs and that is good.
Looking at your second video I think you’re still not using your abs and pushing them against you’re belt. You back looks too loose and you’re still spending too much time screwing with the bar. It’s much easier to get a full belly of air standing upright then bent over and gripping the bar. For conventional I like positioning the bar then standing up straight and taking a few deep breaths as I get more and more pissed off at the bar then take one final breath in push hard against my belt and grip and rip the bar off the ground.
The other thing I noticed is you’re really slow off the floor when the weight gets heavy you maybe trying to get too low and are trying so hard to keep your hips down that you’re squatting the weight up. And to go with the hips staying low you are jamming them through at the to and instead are relying on your back to lock the weight out.
Also for pulling the slack out of the bar, I really don’t think you have enough weight on the bar to really worry about that. The bar isn’t going to bend before it breaks the floor too much unless you have substantial amount of weight on there. I think you’d be better to think of it as pulling the weight instead of jerking the weight off the ground. As your bring your hips down start pulling on the bar, it will “pop” and break the floor, when it does you’re gonna be surprised. When it “pops” go with it.
So in summary:
-spend less time messing with the bar
-Take a deep breath when standing up straight and push it into your stomach to really build pressure and stay tight (you’re face should feel like it’s going to explode)
-Grab the bar tight
-Swing your hips down but not too far, as your doing this start pulling on the bar
-Once the bar pops go with it
-As soon as the bar breaks your knees, jam your hips through and slam them into the bar and squeeze your ass as hard as possible (this should fix the hyperextending of the back at the top)
ARGGGGGGGGG! #$*#&#@!!! THis is so frustrating.
TWO YEARS PEOPLE.
BEEN doing this wrong and getting tips for tWO YEARS AND I just DO NOT GET IT!!
Maybe I should switch to sumo.
Sadness/perhaps some crying
SPOCK!!! You DO get it! I have to reiterate the mirror thing, try turning around next time. Its hard not looking at a cute face like yours even if it belongs to your own!
I’m working on my madness as well so we can suffer together. YOU CAN GET IT. You shall!
[quote]brute_fury wrote:
SPOCK!!! You DO get it! I have to reiterate the mirror thing, try turning around next time. Its hard not looking at a cute face like yours even if it belongs to your own!
I’m working on my madness as well so we can suffer together. YOU CAN GET IT. You shall![/quote]
I don’t want to turn around because there are people RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE that way! Standing there pressing and curling and whatnot. It makes it very weird and awkward for me.
I WANNA CRY BRUTE. I don’t understand why this doesn’t make sense to me?!
It’s like now with all the advice I’ve gotten I have 50000320943493 things in my head that I am supposed to do and I just FUCK IT Up.
Mmmkay, breakdown over. 
OH …well then that sucks. Your gym must be NOT ideal :{
I think you are getting A LOT of advice. Its helpful but its overwhelming! Just reading what you’ve recieved so far has me all over the place myself. I have my own issues but I’d start with: just looking up, sky high ceiling shit, toes out a bit, arms locked and pull back… The just give it a go.
Start simple straight forward things that aren’t complex and maybe you can tweak later. You’ve got so much heart but its hurting you mind when it messes with you too much!
Also I myself need HUGE EGO check. HUGE. I gotta drop down wt seriously. The lighter wt’s will help you get it down. You don’t need to prove to anyone that you’re a beast–you ARE. I’ve seen you! You have the strength to do this already. MIND FUCK. This is OLD news, just need to dress pretty now. You got this already.
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
[quote]brute_fury wrote:
SPOCK!!! You DO get it! I have to reiterate the mirror thing, try turning around next time. Its hard not looking at a cute face like yours even if it belongs to your own!
I’m working on my madness as well so we can suffer together. YOU CAN GET IT. You shall![/quote]
I don’t want to turn around because there are people RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE that way! Standing there pressing and curling and whatnot. It makes it very weird and awkward for me.
I WANNA CRY BRUTE. I don’t understand why this doesn’t make sense to me?!
It’s like now with all the advice I’ve gotten I have 50000320943493 things in my head that I am supposed to do and I just FUCK IT Up.
Mmmkay, breakdown over. :/[/quote]
Just focus on one or two more things at a time each time you deadlift and before you know it, it’ll be second nature (granted there’ll always be room for improvement no matter who you are).
Yeah, don’t stress. As my old lifting team said, there are about 100 different things you’re supposed to do during a lift to do it right, just focus on a couple and if you get those right, you’re on the right track. It’s not gonna happen overnight.
^^ Thanks guys. I was worried when I came in this thread you were going to tell me to suck it up and stop acting like a baby, LOl!
Does anyone think I should actually give sumo a go? Is it in anyway less complicated to figure out? Do short people pull better sumo stance? I can’t remember what I’ve read…
Chuck V. pulls sumo, I wouldn’t mind being able to lift like Chuck V…
[quote]lil power wrote:
yes pulling the slack out of the bar was cute
scj is correct, when you set up, just pullup firmly on the bar it will move to the top of the weights, yes this is hard to describe, but overthink it.
Your form actually looks tons better, and from looking in the mirror it does look like the bar is “sliding” up your legs and that is good.
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I second this post your form was a lot better! You had your hips down, chest up high and shoulders back.
You are seriously kicking ass, keep at it!!
I don’t know what the hell everyone else is talking about. The second deadlift you put up was awesome. You have corrected all of your major technique issues. Your only problem now is bar speed. I would strongly suggest adding in some jumps, sprints, and speed pulls.
Seriously though, great job. A lot of people take the advice off of here, ignore it, and suck forver. Way to fix your pull.
Ditto to the above…
Your second vid looked great…
You’ve got the technique down now just keep at it…
I had similar issues with my pull and advice similar to posted above really helped…
Video dosen’t lie…
Obviously if you are pulling more than most guys in there you are doing something right.
Don’t think small tips are intended to imply you have some sort of serious form issue. That’s not the case.
[quote]UAphenix wrote:
Yeah, don’t stress. As my old lifting team said, there are about 100 different things you’re supposed to do during a lift to do it right, just focus on a couple and if you get those right, you’re on the right track. It’s not gonna happen overnight. [/quote]
Where are you located in Colorado? I’ve been trying to hunt down a monolift . . .
IMO, overanalyzing the deadlift is caustic. Not to say that you don’t want to focus on good form when you’re training for reps.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]UAphenix wrote:
Yeah, don’t stress. As my old lifting team said, there are about 100 different things you’re supposed to do during a lift to do it right, just focus on a couple and if you get those right, you’re on the right track. It’s not gonna happen overnight. [/quote]
Where are you located in Colorado? I’ve been trying to hunt down a monolift . . .
IMO, overanalyzing the deadlift is caustic. Not to say that you don’t want to focus on good form when you’re training for reps. [/quote]
A related thought: Someone once told me you should only be thinking about two things at once during any given golf swing, because you can’t humanly think about more than 2 things while swinging. I think that’s good advice for any situation where you are moving as explosively as possible for a split second.
One thing CT wrote about deadlifting that I like: Think about your form before you lift, pull yourself tight, get dumb as shit, forget everything and rip it as hard as you can, then afterwards think back about how your form was.