Another Mass Grave Found

[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Most concentration camp victims died of malnutrition and diseases caused by the sanitary conditions.

Physically working 12 hours a day with 1800kcal per person in basically paper clothes has a very bullet sparing effect on people.

Remains in crematories are usually ground to dust.

You ought to know.[/quote]

Oh my God, I feel so antagonized now.

A personal attack out of the blue, linking me to one of the worst crimes in history.

I feel so used and abused now…

How dare you treat a fellow human being that way and isn´t it a little hypocritical to accuse me of something and then do the exact same thing you accuse me of?

Plus, do I finally have the lingo of your weekly mens therapy group down or do I have to become even more sensitive, caring and understanding?

http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/mtg.php

Well well well, it looks like sergeyboy and john s aren’t the only idiots on this thread. Oh-well, if someone is going to be so stupid as to set themselves up, I’ll be more than happy to knock them down. Let’s start with idiot #1 - DrSkeptix

“This rant about cremation, is not just distasteful, it confirms how imposssibly stupid and malicious are the Holocaust deniers. The Topf crematoria, among others, were industrial furnaces, designed to use human corpses as the fuel of their own destruction… The Holocaust is the most thoroughly documented historical event… ever.”

Well Drdipshit, not only does the official version of Treblinka claim that there was NOT a Topf, or any other kind of crematoria / industrial furnace at Treblinka, the idea that bodies can be used as fuel to aid in their own destruction is simply retarded. (Do some research on the cremation process will you?) The issue - dipshit, is the alleged “huge mass graves” that are supposed to contain the alleged cremated remains of 870,000 jews. If “The Holocaust is the most thoroughly documented historical event…ever,” then would you be so kind as to show us exactly where all these “huge mass graves” are?

Here it is from the “eyewitness” themselves:

Rachel Auerbach has compiled various witness statements and summarized them thus:

"Polish people still talk about the way soap was manufactured from the bodies of Jews… The discovery of Professor Spanner’s soap factory in Langfuhr proved that their suspicions had been well founded. Witnesses tell us that when the corpses were burned on pyres, pans would be placed beneath the racks to catch the fat as it ran off, but this has not been confirmed. But even if the Germans in Treblinka or at any of the other death factories failed to do this, and allowed so many tons of precious fat to go to waste, it could only have been an oversight on their part.

In Treblinka, as in other such places, significant advances were made in the science of annihilation, such as the highly original discovery that the bodies of women burned better than those of men.

'Men won’t burn without women.'The bodies of women were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses. Blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.Young corpses burn up quicker than old ones. With the help of gasoline and the bodies of the fatter females, the pile of corpses finally burst into flames."

Eyewitness Jankiel Wiernik: “It turned out that bodies of women burned more easily than those of men. Accordingly, the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires.”

Yitzhak Arad, trying to sound scientific, reports:

"The corpses…were arranged in layers on the roaster to a height of 2 meters.When all was ready, dry wood and branches, which had been laid under the roaster, were ignited. The entire construction, with the bodies, was quickly engulfed in fire and the flames would reach a height of up to 10 meters. The SS men in charge of the cremation became convinced that the corpses burned well enough without extra fuel.

Yechiel Reichman, a member of the ‘burning group’: 'The SS ‘expert’ on bodyburning ordered us to put women, particularly fat women, on the first layer of the grill, face down. The second layer could consist of whatever was brought - men, women, or children - and so on, layer on top of layer… These [fresh] bodies did not burn as well as those removed from the ditches [i.e., the graves] and had to be sprayed with fuel before they would burn."

The above bullshit is the foundation of the Treblinka myth. Do I need to say any more? How about I add just this - Are all you reality deniers aware that the jewish soap story is a complete fabrication? And if the pans catching human fat from the fires is a lie, then the whole story is a lie. Or do you deny that the jews themselves have been forced to admit this fact?

Idiot #2 - Gkhan

“They did not shoot their victims at Treblinka, they gassed them, hense, no spent bullet casings and shell casings.”

Have you ever heard of the lazaret? It is where the “eyewitnesses” claim 50,000 jews were shot. That’s 50,000 alleged murders by shooting in the alleged lazart alone -stupid. And FYI, the “eyewitnesses” also claim these other forms of murder:

Exhaust fumes from an unspecified engine, with poison added to the fuel.

A mobile gas chamber that traveled along the mass graves and unloaded the corpses into them.

Gas chambers with delayed reaction gas, which enabled the victims to walk to the mass graves, where they lost consciousness and fell into the graves.

Quicklime in trains; according to this version Treblinka served only as a burial place.

Boiling steam.

Electric current.

Shooting with machine guns.

Suffocation by vacuum pumping of the chambers.

Chlorine gas.

Zyklon B.

Diesel exhaust fumes.

Idiot #3 - orion

“Remains in crematories are usually ground to dust.”

The “eyewitnesses” of Treblinka claimed that the bones were smashed into pieces using wooden dowles and tin sheets. Try it dumbass, and see how long it takes you to pound a single chicken bone into dust. Again, do some research on cremation, or better yet, go to the nafcash site - http://www.nafcash.com/ - they have doen all the research you need. If you actually read the site / educated yourself on this issue, you wouldn’t be making such an ass out of yourself.

Idiot #4 - orion - again

“Yes, because I read books. Try it.”

Why don’t you try reading the nafcash site?

http://www.nafcash.com/

[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Most concentration camp victims died of malnutrition and diseases caused by the sanitary conditions.

Physically working 12 hours a day with 1800kcal per person in basically paper clothes has a very bullet sparing effect on people.

Remains in crematories are usually ground to dust.

You ought to know.[/quote]

This is low on so many levels.

[quote]cath wrote:

“Remains in crematories are usually ground to dust.”

The “eyewitnesses” of Treblinka claimed that the bones were smashed into pieces using wooden dowles and tin sheets. Try it dumbass, and see how long it takes you to pound a single chicken bone into dust. Again, do some research on cremation, or better yet, go to the nafcash site - http://www.nafcash.com/ - they have doen all the research you need. If you actually read the site / educated yourself on this issue, you wouldn’t be making such an ass out of yourself.

Idiot #4 - orion - again

“Yes, because I read books. Try it.”

Why don’t you try reading the nafcash site?

http://www.nafcash.com/

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Whatever, Dude…

I think we can sum it up, the Holocaust is a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, the Wannsee conference transcripts are historical forgeries and the surviving victims and even SS guardians are all lying in an attempt to please their Zionist masterminds.

Glad we cleared that up.

oridiot:

“Whatever, Dude…”

Mmmm, an idiot gets bitchslapped for making an ignorant statement about something he knows nothing about, and his idiotic response is - “Whatever, Dude…” LOL!!!

Yeah, I’d say that about sums up the mentality of the defenders of the big lie perfectly.

More idiocy from oridiot:

“I think we can sum it up, the Holocaust is a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, the Wannsee conference transcripts are historical forgeries and the surviving victims and even SS guardians are all lying in an attempt to please their Zionist masterminds. Glad we cleared that up.”

Uh, sorry “dude,” but it’s not cleared up completely. You forgot to show us where all the alleged “huge mass graves” of Treblinka are. You know, the alleged “huge mass graves” that contain the MILLIONS of pounds of crushed bone, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings.

Here’s something from the nafcash site that will help you clear things up “dude” -

It has been judicially proven that the Nazis murdered, buried, dug up, burned, crushed the bones, and then reburied all the crushed bone and ash of 870,000 Jews into the same mass graves; thus, they allegedly - obliterated all evidence of their crime. If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this alleged historically proven fact, then it’s imperative that before you begin reading this site, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:

“This is the biggest cemetery of Polish Jewry… There are 870,000 Jews buried in the enormous ditches… Within this area initially, the Jews were buried in enormous pits… Later on, a sort of grill from railroad tracks was built. The corpses were removed and this area served for burning the corpses… Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka - all three of them were utterly eradicated… Both Treblinka and the other camps, once they had fulfilled their task of extermination, were obliterated… Nothing remains - nothing.”

Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene - EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Nazis, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically “utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!

Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? Why would the Nazis go through all that work, knowing full well there would still be millions of pounds of evidence left behind, then put all that incriminating evidence right back into the very graves that they allegedly had just dug all that evidence out of? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of the holocaust “scholars” believing that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear?

… THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM has been issued. It’s time for the self-deceiving holocaust “scholars” to stop denying criminology, archeology and the scientific method. And it’s time for them to put up or shut up.

We’re waiting “dude.”

http://www.nafcash.com/

[quote]cath wrote:
oridiot:

“Whatever, Dude…”

Mmmm, an idiot gets bitchslapped for making an ignorant statement about something he knows nothing about, and his idiotic response is - “Whatever, Dude…” LOL!!!

Yeah, I’d say that about sums up the mentality of the defenders of the big lie perfectly.

More idiocy from oridiot:

“I think we can sum it up, the Holocaust is a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, the Wannsee conference transcripts are historical forgeries and the surviving victims and even SS guardians are all lying in an attempt to please their Zionist masterminds. Glad we cleared that up.”

Uh, sorry “dude,” but it’s not cleared up completely. You forgot to show us where all the alleged “huge mass graves” of Treblinka are. You know, the alleged “huge mass graves” that contain the MILLIONS of pounds of crushed bone, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings.

Here’s something from the nafcash site that will help you clear things up “dude” -

It has been judicially proven that the Nazis murdered, buried, dug up, burned, crushed the bones, and then reburied all the crushed bone and ash of 870,000 Jews into the same mass graves; thus, they allegedly - obliterated all evidence of their crime. If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this alleged historically proven fact, then it’s imperative that before you begin reading this site, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:

“This is the biggest cemetery of Polish Jewry… There are 870,000 Jews buried in the enormous ditches… Within this area initially, the Jews were buried in enormous pits… Later on, a sort of grill from railroad tracks was built. The corpses were removed and this area served for burning the corpses… Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka - all three of them were utterly eradicated… Both Treblinka and the other camps, once they had fulfilled their task of extermination, were obliterated… Nothing remains - nothing.”

Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene - EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Nazis, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically “utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!

Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? Why would the Nazis go through all that work, knowing full well there would still be millions of pounds of evidence left behind, then put all that incriminating evidence right back into the very graves that they allegedly had just dug all that evidence out of? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of the holocaust “scholars” believing that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear?

… THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM has been issued. It’s time for the self-deceiving holocaust “scholars” to stop denying criminology, archeology and the scientific method. And it’s time for them to put up or shut up.

We’re waiting “dude.”

http://www.nafcash.com/

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You are arguing like the ID people.

You think if you are able to refute one single detail it all comes tumbling down.

Well, it doesn´t.

There´d still be the missing Jews in other concentration camps, the Roma and Sinti, Gays, Communists, the murder of 2-3 million Polish intellectuals to form an inferior slave race, the Waffen SS Räum- and Sonderkommandos and the KZ like conditions of SU POWs barracks.

[quote]cath wrote:
Idiot #2 - Gkhan

“They did not shoot their victims at Treblinka, they gassed them, hense, no spent bullet casings and shell casings.”

Have you ever heard of the lazaret? It is where the “eyewitnesses” claim 50,000 jews were shot. That’s 50,000 alleged murders by shooting in the alleged lazart alone -stupid. And FYI, the “eyewitnesses” also claim these other forms of murder:
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If they shot 50,000 jews, where are the bodies? where are the ashes? Either they are there or they are not.

Make up your mind. . . .

idiot!!


Here are some details on NAFCASH, or the National Association of Forensic Criminologists, Archeologists, Skeptics and Historians. I did a “who is” search on the site and found it is registered to Greg Gerdes (he is also the “president” of Nafcash"). Nafcash’s headquarters is registered as 1015 W Spring St, Lewistown, Mt 59457, USA. When you Google Map that address, it is just a house, in a neighborhood in Montana. According to the Montana State Website, the NAFCASH is specifically registered to Apt #5 of 1015 W. Spring St, Lewistown, MT.
The Montana State website buisness entity search lists NAFCASH as a public benefit without members, which means it is a non-profit organization as stated on the website.
The site is hosted in Dallas.
The site is linked to the Vanguard News Network site, vanguardnews.com which proudly states “No Jews, Just Right”.

NAFCASH is just a kooky guy’s website.
I tried to attach a photo clipped from Google Maps of Greg Gerdes’ apartment building.

Oridiot:

“You are arguing like the ID people. You think if you are able to refute one single detail it all comes tumbling down. Well, it doesn´t. There´d still be the missing Jews in other concentration camps, the Roma and Sinti, Gays, Communists, the murder of 2-3 million Polish intellectuals to form an inferior slave race, the Waffen SS Räum- and Sonderkommandos and the KZ like conditions of SU POWs barracks.”

If I’m arguing like the ID people, then why am I making you look so stupid? What does that say about your arguments?

The veracity of the Treblinka holocaust can hardly be defined as a single “detail.” It is a major part of the holocaust - aprox. 1/6th of it. And since the alleged Treblinka holocuast literally stands or falls on the existance of the alleged “huge mass graves,” then it behooves the defenders of the big lie to locate the alleged graves or finally admit that the Treblinka holocaust is a hoax.

As Shmuel Krakowski, the former archives director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Center said when he finally admitted that the Jewish soap story was a lie: “Historians have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people deny the holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use against the truth?”

Where are the graves oridiot? Or do you admit that the alleged Treblinka holocaust is a hoax? Remember - In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Nazis, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically - “utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime! Put up or shut up.

Gkhan:

“If they shot 50,000 jews, where are the bodies? where are the ashes? Either they are there or they are not. Make up your mind.”

I was quoting the “eyewitnesses” / official version of the story retard, which completely contradicted your ignorant claim to the contrary. You claimed that “the victims” of Treblinka were gassed. Would you care to show us all the graves that contain theses alleged victims? You know, the alleged “huge mass graves” that allegedly contain the MILLIONS of pounds of crushed bone, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings.

BH6:

“The site is linked to the Vanguard News Network site, vanguardnews.com which proudly states “No Jews, Just Right”.”

How is this site “linked” to Vanguard News Network?

“Nafcash’s headquarters is registered as 1015 W Spring St, Lewistown, Mt 59457, USA. When you Google Map that address, it is just a house, in a neighborhood in Montana. According to the Montana State Website, the NAFCASH is specifically registered to Apt #5 of 1015 W. Spring St, Lewistown, MT.”

Why do you call the registered agents address a “headquarters?”

The National Association of Forensic Criminologists, Archeologists, Skeptics and Historians TM is a non-profit, 501 (c) (3) (exempt), Scientific / Historical Educational Organization REGISTERED in the State of Montana as a not-for-profit Public Benefit Corporation. Established in 2003. All rights reserved.

Montana Secretary of States website:

https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bin/bes/besCertificate.cgi?action=detail&bessearch=D168893&trans_id=miia07148021246484100

Rather than spend so much time trying to discredit nafcash (which you didn’t do BTW), why don’t you show us all where the alleged “huge mass graves” of Treblinka are? You know, the alleged “huge mass graves” that allegedly contain the MILLIONS of pounds of crushed bone, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings.

BTW - NOTE: Historical “truths” are not exempt from THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Exposing the lies of the holocaust, the fraud of the final solution and the criminal Jewish conspiracy of the nonsensical pure extermination centers is not “denying” the holocaust. Using the scientific method to prove that the largest mass gravesite in the history of mankind is, in reality, a fraudulent hoax is not “denying” the holocaust. Refusing to accept a logically absurd, demonstratively false, scientifically debunked historical event is not “denying” that something happened. Just because the dull-uding “experts” lack the curiosity to examine, the intelligence to understand, the courage to accept, the integrity to acknowledge and the character to speak the truth about this fraudulent COGNITIVE ILLUSION does not make a skeptic of the official holocaust story a “denier.” Even the Jews have been forced to admit that the Jewish Soap holocaust didn’t happen and that the alleged Auschwitz holocaust was exaggerated by no less than 267 %. (Just the “official” 2.5 million reduction of the Auschwitz death toll alone represents 42 % of the holocaust - that didn’t happen.) By the way, you cannot “deny” something that doesn’t exist or never happened.

So what exactly is the significance of the fact that this fraudulent holocaust within the holocaust is a malicious lie? First, the pure extermination center myth cannot stand if the Treblinka cornerstone is pulled. If the Treblinka holohoax is debunked (which of course it has been), then the equally synthetic pillars of Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor become untenable and the fraudulent pure extermination center legend collapses. And without the pure extermination center canard, the official version of the final solution becomes untenable, ergo - NO EXTERMINATION PROGRAM! (It’s like pulling on a loose thread of a cheap sweater.) Secondly, it irrefutably proves that not only is the Treblinka holohoax a literal Jewish conspiracy, but also that the orthodox holocaust story is a malicious lie. Even if the Treblinka holohoax is the only remaining segment of the entire holocaust story that is false (which obviously it isn’t), that still makes the holocaust industry’s version of the story a lie. (A story that is only 1% maliciously false is still a lie.) Third, it exposes the Jews unconscionable tactic of accusing those who question any aspect of the orthodox holocaust story, no matter how much scientific evidence they have to back up their reasons to be skeptical, as being a “DENIER.”

Wake up people - The Treblinka holocaust is a hoax.

Zionist conspirators, not quite dead yet…

Zionist conspirators playing dead for camera…

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/d/1/d1edf-ww2_181.jpg

more dirty Jewish propaganda…

Zionist conspirators successfully fooling US liberators…

zionist conspirators that hid underground, rotting, until they were ready to fool US troops…

One of the first Germans to fall victim to zionist propaganda…

[quote]cath wrote:

Wake up people - The Treblinka holocaust is a hoax.
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Learn to use the quote function you hateful fool.

At least JTF does a fine job composing his posts.

There have been some really silly discussions in the politics forum. This one is pretty much the worst - not an easy feat. Alas, there are some close contenders, as the current anti-jewish (and anti-islam) threads prove.

For months, I’ve been holding back, not going back into debates about topics that repeated themselves. As the Politics forum used to be my raison d’etre, that wasn’t easy.

What really worries me now though, is that my beloved T-Nation is now starting to pop up in Google-Searches on holocaust denial. We have guys who have less than 10 posts to thank for a stigma that doesn’t befit T-Nation.

Some people with sense have tried to counter that, but it makes the listing longer, and the thread stronger (remember the terrible ‘Brokeback Propaganda’ thread).

So I’ll say it once, and then pull out - and I’m not sure if it’s the right thing; but I think it’s the only thing we can do, should our moderators not decide to end this disaster and take this abomination offline.

So please, everyone, this thread has been highjacked by individuals who are baiting you to give them a forum for their right wing revisionist views. That’s a disgrace to the victims whose existence they deny (and we all now that this ‘treblinka challenge’ is nothing but a strawman) and it’s a disgrace for this site and its members as we’ve let them long enough. There will be no argument they will listen to and they will try to provoke you to engage in a debate where there will be no resolution. If there ever was a malevolent troll job, this one is it. Please, I ask you - stay clear of this thread (and the ones that will be sparked by it). It will serve nothing but put T-Nation into disrepute. Let’s all make an effort not to let that happen.

Should you support or criticise my view, don’t post an answer - for the first time ever, I’ve enabled my pm function - let this be the last post - let it die. Make a stand - by walking away.

Thanks, Makkun