Another Excuse for Fat People?

I can see it now:

“I can’t help it…it’s my stomach bacteria that’s making me fat…”

From: Greedy guts? | The Economist

Obesity and bacteria
Greedy guts?

Jan 4th 2007
From The Economist print edition
Every week seems to bring a new theory about why people are getting fatter. The latest is that intestinal microbes are partly to blame

David Simonds

ALTHOUGH most people prefer not to think about it, human guts are full of bacteria. And a good thing, too. These intestinal bugs help digestion, and also stop their disease-causing counterparts from invading. In return, their human hosts provide them with a warm place to live and a share of their meals. It is a symbiotic relationship that has worked well for millions of years.

Now it is working rather too well. A group of researchers led by Jeffrey Gordon, of the Washington University School of Medicine, in St Louis, has found that some types of microbes are a lot better than others at providing usable food to their hosts. In the past, when food was scarce, those who harboured such microbes would have been blessed. These days, paradoxically, they are cursed, for the extra food seems to contribute to obesity. Worse still, these once-benign microbes have even subtler effects, regulating the functioning of human genes and inducing the bodies of their hosts to lay down more fat than would otherwise be the case.

Dr Gordon’s research is outlined in a paper published in this week’s Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) and two others published last month in Nature. In the Nature papers, he and his team reported that obese people have a different mix of gut microbes from that found in lean people?a mix that is more efficient at unlocking energy from the food they consume. Although individuals can harbour up to a thousand different types of microbes, more than 90% of these belong to one or other of two groups, called Bacteroidetes and Firmicutes. The researchers sequenced bacterial DNA from faecal samples taken from volunteers and discovered that those who were obese had a higher proportion of Firmicutes than lean people did.
Bugs in the system

This also turned out to be true in mice, and working with these rodents, the researchers discovered that the types of Firmicute found in obese animals are more efficient at converting complex polysaccharides (a form of carbohydrate that mammals have a hard time digesting by themselves) into simple, usable sugars such as glucose. In effect, the Firmicutes made more energy available from the same amount of food. The researchers were even able to make mice that had been raised in a germ-free environment fatter or thinner by colonising their guts with microbes from either obese or lean mice.

It sounds simple enough. Unfortunately, further probing showed that the story is a little more complicated, for Dr Gordon did not merely count the gut bacteria of fat and thin people?he then put some of the fat ones on a diet. As these once-obese humans lost weight over the course of a year, their mix of gut microbes changed to reflect their new, svelte status. Why this happened is not clear. It does not seem to have been a result of the composition of the diet, since the effect was the same whether people lost weight with a low-fat diet or a low-carbohydrate diet. Nevertheless, this part of the experiment suggests it is weight that determines gut biodiversity, not the other way round.

The paper published in PNAS, though, supports the idea that the bacterial mixture is cause not effect, by adding yet another element to the story. In this study, Dr Gordon took normal mice and germ-free mice, and fed both groups a ?Western? diet that was high in fat and sugar. The normal mice gained weight; the germ-free mice stayed lean.

Part of the reason was that the normal mice had microbes that made more useful sugar available. But the researchers looked more closely and found that there was even more going on. By comparing the two kinds of mice, they discovered that the gut microbes in the regular mice were tinkering with their hosts’ metabolisms, regulating them in at least two different ways.

First, they suppressed production by the mice’s bodies of a substance called fasting-induced adipose factor. This encouraged the mice to store fat. Second, they caused lower levels of another substance, called adenosine monophosphate-activated protein kinase, which made it harder for them to burn fat that they had already accumulated. The upshot is that gut microbes not only release energy from food, they also encourage bodies to store that energy as fat and to keep the fat on.

The practical upshot of this is hard to see at the moment. But if these two suppression mechanisms could, themselves, be suppressed, that might stop people putting on weight. The findings do, however, emphasise how profound the relationship is between people and their gut bacteria. These bacteria can be thought of as an additional digestive organ. Alternatively, humans might view themselves as a sort of collective organism?a human casing surrounding a vast colony of microbes. It is just a pity that this colony is working so hard on behalf of its casing that, in an era when food comes from the supermarket rather than the savannah, the result is rather too good.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
As these once-obese humans lost weight over the course of a year, their mix of gut microbes changed to reflect their new, svelte status. Why this happened is not clear. … Nevertheless, this part of the experiment suggests it is weight that determines gut biodiversity, not the other way round.

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That’s the part I was reading for, it makes most of the rest of the article seem pointless.

I bet NAAFA is going to ape shit over that.

Heard of these people yet?

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
As these once-obese humans lost weight over the course of a year, their mix of gut microbes changed to reflect their new, svelte status. Why this happened is not clear. … Nevertheless, this part of the experiment suggests it is weight that determines gut biodiversity, not the other way round.

That’s the part I was reading for, it makes most of the rest of the article seem pointless.[/quote]

True.

Yet, I disagree with the next statement from this article:
“The paper published in PNAS, though, supports the idea that the bacterial mixture is cause not effect, by adding yet another element to the story.”

Cause and effect? It seems more to me that the microbe and fat thing is not linked in this sort of one-way relationship, but more in a feedback loop. Fat people have a harder time losing weight because of their microbes, which actually make it easier to continue gaining weight. What we are reinforces what we will be, and vice versa.

If there is a way to alter the microbes in fat people, it would probably help them to lose weight more easily… In conjunction with diet and exercise!

[quote]Supraman wrote:

If there is a way to alter the microbes in fat people, it would probably help them to lose weight more easily… In conjunction with diet and exercise![/quote]

If it involves anything more than a shot or a pill, you already know it’s not going to be picked up by 90% of the people who need it!

As to the feedback loop, I’m sure you’re right - a person who eats more sugars/starches gets fat AND develops more microbes to make the most of that particular diet. The microbes help convert the food to energy more efficiently, so the fat get fatter.

I don’t know how many different scientific studies we need to figure out that diet and exercise will fix most of our fat problem.

Those lardasses will do anything but take responsibility for their own actions.


Fat is trying to be accepted every where. ever try to sit next to a fat one on a plane? It sucks.

[quote]SwampThing wrote:
I bet NAAFA is going to ape shit over that.

Heard of these people yet?

HTTP://www.naafa.org[/quote]

NAAFA or NAMBLA?

[quote]Easy E wrote:
SwampThing wrote:
I bet NAAFA is going to ape shit over that.

Heard of these people yet?

NAAFA or NAMBLA?[/quote]

NAMBLA?

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
a mix that is more efficient at unlocking energy from the food they consume.
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Ya know while I am trying to lose weight, I wouldn’t mind this bacteria “Unlocking” more energy in the food I eat if that energy was spent building muscle.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
he then put some of the fat ones on a diet. As these once-obese humans lost weight over the course of a year, their mix of gut microbes changed to reflect their new, svelte status.
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Seems like even the fat people in the study managed to lose weight in spite of the bacteria.

NAAFA claims that some fat people cant lose weight.

I think if an organization like that gets a good hold in American society they will lead us like cows to a slaughter house. Literaly, they piss me off.

My uncle is actually giving a large grant for this same type of study. He believes that its these gut microbes that are causing people to get fat.

Its like he doesn’t even want to here the whole concept of exercise and nutrition.

I just can’t believe the denial that people have when it comes to their own lifestyles.

[quote]Easy E wrote:
SwampThing wrote:
I bet NAAFA is going to ape shit over that.

Heard of these people yet?

NAAFA or NAMBLA?[/quote]

What do the North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes have to do with this?:wink:

Seriously, go to any American food court or buffet and look around. Fat people don’t need another excuse to be fat: they eat way too f’n much!

You would think someone at the national academy of sciences would have realized how that acronym is pronounced before titling their journal like that.

“Oh yeah, well I read the other day in penis that…”

destroys credibility

[quote]m0dd3r wrote:

The paper published in PNAS…

You would think someone at the national academy of sciences would have realized how that acronym is pronounced before titling their journal like that.

“Oh yeah, well I read the other day in penis that…”

destroys credibility[/quote]

ROFL!!!

Yeah, I read that article as well. While I am concerned that fat people of the world will begin to use this article as another excuse to continue down their path to an extra wide casket dropped in the grave by a crane, I’m more worried about the ways some pharmacutical company will try and treat this “condition”. I’m thinking specialized antibiotics for fat people will become the new drug craze. The amount of people ingesting these things will greatly increase the chances of antibiotic resistant strains of normally harmless bacteria exploding into a worldwide plague.