Feeling Fat Worse Than Being Fat

Feeling fat may be worse for you than being fat

Last Updated: 2008-01-30 16:01:32 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Anne Harding

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Obesity’s health effects could have more to do with feeling bad about being fat than actually being overweight, a new study shows.

Researchers who looked at a nationally representative group of more than 170,000 US adults found the difference actual weight and perceived ideal weight was a better indicator of mental and physical health than body mass index (BMI).

“The obesity ‘epidemic’ might have a lot more to do with our collective preoccupation with obesity than obesity itself,” the study’s lead author, Dr. Peter Muennig of Columbia University in New York City, told Reuters Health. “We still need to focus on healthy diet and exercise as public health officials, but we need to take fatness out of the equation. Were we to stop looking at body fat as a problem, the problem may well disappear.”

Some researchers have suggested that stress due to stigmatization could be a factor in the health problems obese people have, such as high blood pressure and diabetes, he and his colleagues note in the March issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

To investigate, they examined data on 170,577 people participating in a study of behavioral risk factors. All had reported their actual weight, perceived ideal weight, and the number of days in the past 30 days when they felt that their physical or mental health was not good.

When the researchers used statistical techniques to control for the influence of age and body mass index, they found that the more dissatisfied a person was with his or her weight, the more “bad days” he or she had. The relationship was strongest in non-Hispanic whites and women.

For example, people who felt they had to lose just 1 percent of their body weight had 0.1 more unhealthy days a month than those who thought their weight was ideal. But women who wanted to lose 10 percent of their body weight reported 1.6 healthy days a month, and those who wanted to pare off 20 percent reported 4.3 unhealthy days.

Men who thought they were 10 percent overweight lost 0.9 days to poor mental or physical health, while those who felt they needed to lose 20 percent of their body weight reported 2.7 unhealthy days each month.

Women experience more stigma for being fat than men, and excess weight may be less acceptable among white people than among African-Americans or Hispanics, the researchers note.

In a study now under review, Muennig said his group found that being overweight doesn’t increase mortality in ethnic groups that are more accepting of heavy people. “For instance, African-Americans as a group experience almost no excess mortality, even for women who are 5’5” and 250 pounds," he noted in an e-mail interview.

“There needs to be a realization among public health officials and medical professionals that the messages we are giving the public could be doing more harm than good,” Muennig said.

"It has long been recognized that “fat” does not necessarily equal unhealthy. Nonetheless, we doctors often have a very visceral reaction when we see an obese person in our office. This visceral reaction sets off a red light that says, ‘tell this person to lose weight.’ That is not the right way to approach obesity."

SOURCE: American Journal of Public Health, March 2008.

Who the hell funds this shoddy research? Columbia University has really been pushing the envelope of it’s reputation. Last year, they invited the President of Iran to speak. This year, they announce the scientific “fact” that telling fat people to lose weight is the wrong way to approach obesity? It’s the end of the world as we know it.

So I guess the right approach would be, sorry your fat would you like a donut. Whatever!

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Who the hell funds this shoddy research? Columbia University has really been pushing the envelope of it’s reputation. Last year, they invited the President of Iran to speak. This year, they announce the scientific “fact” that telling fat people to lose weight is the wrong way to approach obesity? It’s the end of the world as we know it. [/quote]

I’ll admit, I was a little surprised of the conclusions coming from an Ivy League institution like Columbia, but as I think further, some of their findings seem reasonable. The factor of ethnicity and bodyfat in terms of health seems worth exploring. Ethnicities that seem naturally predisposed to be larger(with more fat in the process) such as Samoans and Inuit peoples(Eskimos) appear fairly healthy.

People on this site also need to make the distinction between morbid obesity and a slightly higher level of bodyfat that most people seem to have. Whenever discussions of fat people arise, I always notice the false dichotomy of posters here–that you’re either not obese and healthy, or you are fat, unhealthy, disgusting, and deserving of scorn. The fact is, there is a lot of middle ground. When the media uses the term “obesity”, it encompasses a broad array of body fat percentages, and people here need to distinguish between average people who are slightly overweight, and those with hundreds of pounds to lose.

[quote]streamline wrote:
So I guess the right approach would be, sorry your fat would you like a donut. Whatever![/quote]

No, the solution is making it harder to be fat than skinny, for instance.

If you are over 300lbs and cant bench 300lbs you have to buy the seat on either side of you when you fly.

At all you can eat buffets you have to pay for 2 people.

If you are so fat you cant get out of bed all the food given to you must be at least 100 feet away, and it should be small portions.

You have to pay a extra tax to be able to leave your house looking that horrible.

You get a ticket if you wear spandex or wear belly shirts out in public.

Ironic considering Im fat to… But some people are just ridiculous.

[quote]Uber N3wb wrote:
streamline wrote:
So I guess the right approach would be, sorry your fat would you like a donut. Whatever!

No, the solution is making it harder to be fat than skinny, for instance.

If you are over 300lbs and cant bench 300lbs you have to buy the seat on either side of you when you fly.

At all you can eat buffets you have to pay for 2 people.

If you are so fat you cant get out of bed all the food given to you must be at least 100 feet away, and it should be small portions.

You have to pay a extra tax to be able to leave your house looking that horrible.

You get a ticket if you wear spandex or wear belly shirts out in public.

Ironic considering Im fat to… But some people are just ridiculous.
[/quote]

Haha damn, that cracked me up.
Yea there should be different rules, but some of those are a bit extreme. TAXES for obese people makes sense. The buffet rule, meh, there should be some sort of weight (or, for bodybuilders/powerlifters, ability? or body fat?) limit. The 2 seat idea was great. If you really take that much space, you should either lose the weight or stop crashing planes.

[quote]abcd1234 wrote:
The factor of ethnicity and bodyfat in terms of health seems worth exploring. Ethnicities that seem naturally predisposed to be larger(with more fat in the process) such as Samoans and Inuit peoples(Eskimos) appear fairly healthy. [/quote]

Ok then, what about the Pima Indians in Arizona? [i]The Gila River Indian Community may be the smallest town in the United States with its own dialysis center," says Dr. Bill Knowler about this community of 11,000 people.

Pima Indians have over 20 times the rate of new cases of kidney failure as the general U.S. population, and diabetes is the culprit over 90 percent of the time. Furthermore, kidney disease is the leading cause of death from disease among Pima Indians who have diabetes.

American Indians have the highest rates of diabetes in the world. About half of adult Pima Indians have diabetes, which they get at a relatively young age. On average, Pima Indians are a mere 36 years old when they get diabetes, compared with Caucasians, who get it at about age 60.[/i]

Now do we think this is because they have some genetic defect or is it because of the crappy diet of highly processed foods and alcohol that they consume? I’m not jumping to conclusions or making this up, I’ve seen this with my own eyes. Don’t you think these people would benefit from a healthy, controlled diet and much less body fat? I do.

Obesity is measured in terms of BMI, which I disagree with because it means that larger, muscular men can be termed “obese” when they actually have very low body fat.

Using the BMI scale, an obese person is 30.0-39.9. Below that they are overweight, above it they are morbidly obese. Using a bodyfat scale, men who are over 25% and women over 30% are termed “obese.” The media is not talking about a range of body fat percentages, they are talking about everyone above that 30.0, and believe me, there are a hell of a lot of people in that category.

We don’t need to be more sensitive to feewings in the hope that people will grow to love themselves and accept their fat asses, we need to have more nutritional education and less diet fads that just confuse the general population. When I was in middle school we had a nutrition class. Not any more. It’s not important enough to include in the school curriculum.

Hey i thought about something… BMI is also unaccurate because of bone weight. Africans tend to have heavier bones than asians, so they will be higher up in the BMI scale. Maybe there should be mandatory body fat tests quarterly. Anyone above 20%/25% (men/women) should be recomended to lose weight, about 25%/30% would be strongly recomended, and anyone who has over 75lb to lose should have to pay a monthly fee, where they will get mailed their healthy food, and maybe give them a free gym membership.

Whats with all this crap about feeling good about being fat? Screw that ur gonna die early. And my own question, if the media is directing us towards being skinny, why are their more and more fat people everyday?

This study is all self-reporting of days when they mentally and physically don’t ‘feel good’. How about actual measures of physical health and fitness? Yeah, I thought so.

[quote]sic wrote:

Ok then, what about the Pima Indians in Arizona? [i]The Gila River Indian Community may be the smallest town in the United States with its own dialysis center," says Dr. Bill Knowler about this community of 11,000 people.

Pima Indians have over 20 times the rate of new cases of kidney failure as the general U.S. population, and diabetes is the culprit over 90 percent of the time. Furthermore, kidney disease is the leading cause of death from disease among Pima Indians who have diabetes.

American Indians have the highest rates of diabetes in the world. About half of adult Pima Indians have diabetes, which they get at a relatively young age. On average, Pima Indians are a mere 36 years old when they get diabetes, compared with Caucasians, who get it at about age 60.[/i]

Now do we think this is because they have some genetic defect or is it because of the crappy diet of highly processed foods and alcohol that they consume? I’m not jumping to conclusions or making this up, I’ve seen this with my own eyes. Don’t you think these people would benefit from a healthy, controlled diet and much less body fat? I do.
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Native Americans went from a hunter-gatherer diet to a grain based diet in less than one hundred years, so of course they have problems.

As far as the study, I would expect that someone’s attitude and emotional state would have a huge bearing on their overall health.

[quote]ahzaz wrote:
Hey i thought about something… BMI is also unaccurate because of bone weight. Africans tend to have heavier bones than asians, so they will be higher up in the BMI scale. Maybe there should be mandatory body fat tests quarterly. Anyone above 20%/25% (men/women) should be recomended to lose weight, about 25%/30% would be strongly recomended, and anyone who has over 75lb to lose should have to pay a monthly fee, where they will get mailed their healthy food, and maybe give them a free gym membership.

Whats with all this crap about feeling good about being fat? Screw that ur gonna die early. And my own question, if the media is directing us towards being skinny, why are their more and more fat people everyday?[/quote]

My bone is unfortunately grossly underweight. The supposition that blacks have bigger bones is debatable, some say blacks are ‘showers’ not ‘growers’. But doesn’t this belong in another thread?

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Who the hell funds this shoddy research? Columbia University has really been pushing the envelope of it’s reputation. Last year, they invited the President of Iran to speak. This year, they announce the scientific “fact” that telling fat people to lose weight is the wrong way to approach obesity? It’s the end of the world as we know it. [/quote]

and i feel fine.