Anna's Training Log Part 2 (Part 1)

Not surprising, people that fast report increased mental acuity and even a sensation of being “hyper”.

I’m hypothesising, but in the absence of food it would be — from a survival standpoint — beneficial if when you are in that state you feel sharp mentally as well as experiencing a sensation of being physically capable as both might aid you in acquiring food.

I imagine this is a consequence of elevated cortisol levels as it

increases the body’s release of adrenaline by helping with the conversion of noradrenaline into adrenaline. Adrenaline increases energy mobilization too. It also increases energy use.

But problems arise when cortisol is chronically elevated. Many problems. Here’s one of my “favourite” consequences,

Cortisol depletes serotonin and dopamine levels. It actually damages the receptor sites of these neurotransmitters.

So, being chronically stressed makes it harder for us to relax (duh) and damages our ability to be happy. “Yay”.

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So I’m not crazy for once :rofl:

You always seem to be able to pull up scientific evidence very quickly- do you have a quick source or do you just google?

I’ve read a ton of shit and just remember enough words to find it again easily. I also store stuff in Google keep and Google drive so I can just go there, type in cortisol, dopamine, adrenaline or whatever else I’ve learned plays into it and refer back to the source that taught me what I already know.

I have an easier time overriding my own nonsense by referring to sources. But it cuts both ways. I bought turkey bacon today despite there being grape sugar on the ingredient list. This is huge for me. Because I’ve ingrained “sugar is bad” but there are like 2g to every 100g of turkey and so it’s really rather miniscule. It tangents my whey for carbohydrate content.

It also makes it harder for me to make the objectively worse choice. Like, I’d rather have a sweet potato than some rye bread despite loving the latter because “nUtRiEnTs & pRoCeSsEd”

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No, but, you have to decide what matters to you most. Mental acuity, or recovering and progressing?

You actually have to balance things, since you have parts of your life that aren’t always going to feed positively into the other. As a consequence, actions that directly ill-adversely affects the others should only be leveraged sparingly if at all.

To elaborate, at the start of my working life I was a creative. I used sleep deprivation as a tool to become even more creative because with four hours of sleep being my definition of a lot of sleep there was no self-criticism left and so every idea got to stay around enough to meld with others. And hallucinations also helped. But that job was the entire make-up of my life. So in a way that was excusable while certainly being bad for me. I was just sixteen, so drugs or alcohol weren’t really available to me.

Later, studying at double speed while simultaneously a TA, I used stimulants to get through the day and depressants to even have a night. Again, I was just serving two at the time aligned goals.

Now, I’m training. And I have a job. I want to excel at both. Optimising for the former has little negative impact on the other, but the same can not be said if I optimise for the latter.

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Just throw out the scales and stop taking pictures of yourself and don’t measure yourself with a tape measure. For at least 3 months.

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“Just”.

This can be both a good suggestion and a bad one. Depends on how she’d behave in the absence of the scales and measurings.

For instance, if I applied this advice, I’d end up undereating by a wide margin. Anna might not be at the same risk of this, because the main cause is that when I eat enough to maintain/gain my portions are really really big* because what I eat is generally clean and not very calorie-sense. Why wouldn’t she be at the same risk? She doesn’t have to hit an equally high number of calories.

But, one thing could be that she imagines that she overate her calories goal by too much and moves around more just to be safe that she’s not in too big a surplus.

*my pre-workout meal doesn’t fit inside one lunch box, there’s just no way I’d put that much food on a plate even at a buffet as it looks plain stupid.

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I don’t agree with you because everyone who counts calories from long time have very accurate judgment for the amount of the food. And it’s absolutely unnecessary if you eat the same things in the same volume every day.
May be it’s my fault that I use the word scale but I mean to throw out the weighing machine which is a devilish invention.

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And I don’t agree with you seeing as I’m a member of the population that you describe, viz.

I assure you that if I don’t weigh my food I positively will lose weight, despite being someone who counted/counts calories for a long time.

While I can eyeball portions of meat very well, because they’ve remained unchanged regardless of how deep into a deficit I was I’m unable to accurately assess that I’m eating enough potatoes, rice, grains, etc. and will always stop at a portion that is too small. Why? Because the times when I was most mindful of paying attention to what the food I weighed out for myself looked like is also when I was running a deep deficit and yet that period of time still dictates what my view of a normal sized portion is. And now I’m so accustomed to cooking with a scale that I don’t pay as much attention making the mental remodelling of portion sizes take extra time.

Here you are absolutely correct, when people don’t have a very varied diet they can apply scaling akin to what Stan Efferding does with the Vertical Diet but if you do have varied food sources, or foods that change significantly in size when cooked this isn’t as easily accomplished therefore when you increase or decrease your consumption having a unbiased tool to aid you in that isn’t inherently bad just because the tool can also be used to achieve the opposite means.

Now, in lieu of a prevalent eating disorder then “everyone” in

might actually be “everyone”. But I can’t speak out of experience for the truth value of that statement in that case

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You are so punctual and I am not a native english speaker :slight_smile:

Let say it this way: If you are a normal healthy person, with normal daily activity and normal bodyweight and want to stay it that way it’s not necessary to count calories at all. Yes, you have to if you are a athlete, a bodybuilder, or with health issues like obese or anorexia, but not for a random person. 200/300 kcal +/- have no meaning. One day will be + but next day will be less than usual. On weekly or monthly base it will be equal. Human body has quite good homeostasis to keep body composition intacked from this small fluctuations.
In other hand it’s too stressfull for most of the people and it’s unaccurate most of the time.

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Neither am I (Scandinavian)

I agree with the rest of your reply now. But, contrast this

with whom you made the suggestion to.

By sheer inference, she might have to track calories. And a scale can help with that.

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@queen_cobra

I agree with both of your sentiments.I personally would prefer to keep weighing myself and taking pictures as it helps me trust the process.

I don’t weigh my food as I don’t have a food scale. However, I more or less eat the same things every day

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I agree with everything you say, however you have to remember who you’re advising.

An extremely active, underweight athlete with health issues who’s repeatedly demonstrated she will find any excuse to undereat.

I really feel like telling her to eyeball her portions is a recipe for disaster.

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I’m sorry, but Anna is not an athlete, she is a child with eating disorder who needs a profesional advice. That’s why I have to stop give her advices. Really…

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you got that right :laughing:

a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.

If a near 3xBW deadlift doesn’t qualify as somewhat proficient…

I meant athlete to differentiate her from someone who just has an active job, for example.

To be literal, someone who walks lots and does higher intensity workouts nearly daily.

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Week 1: Day 5 (yesterday)

Back Squat: 1x5-45, 1x5-55kg, 1x3-60kg, 3x5-65, 3x3-60kg
Bench Press: 1x10-30kg, 2x10-35, 4x6-40kg, 3x5-45kg

  • really sore going in but not too bad once I started squatting, bench really worked upper body but a LOT easier than expected- especially mentally
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Anna, I sincerely hope that you are not using all this “advice” you are getting over the internet from people who do not have your full story, to replace the professional advice from qualified professionals that you should be seeking.

Everyone here only knows the info you have shared in these forums, from your perspective. As is patently obvious, your perspective is biased, very biased.

My final .02.

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Week 1: day 6

45min moderate hard on elliptical
4x(5ovh press+12good mornings)-30kg

  • cardio felt really good- definitely pushed it a bit :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: accessories harder than expected but not too bad. Probably going to take it easy today