Replace that Cindy workout with lying on your couch and force feeding.
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DOMS gets partially relieved by physical activity. It doesn’t necessarily mean you recovered by doing more.
Example:
If I play volleyball today, and get DOMS tomorrow
If I play again consecutively the following day, DOMS feels lessened, but trust me, there’s a chance my shoulder will complain. That chance increases if I play consecutively for the third day. Sure, no DOMS because of physical activity, but somethings gonna give.
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Cindy does not constitute active recovery. A brisk 20-40 minute walk, far removed from your workout or on a non-leg day can alleviate/relieve DOMS earlier than it otherwise would disappear on its own. Another venue for recovery are light yoga sessions, that serve the same function of increasing blood flow into affected musculature. But a CrossFit workout is not a means for recovery.
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Training isn’t meant to run you down like that.
This is from one of Wendler’s books, and I have it in my archive of notes for when I start doing too much shit which keeps me from progressing, and it’s on the topic of training frequency contra recovery.
While many will not admit it, training three days a week is probably a better option. However, too many people feel they need to train more to satisfy some emotional issue. I have no desire to fill the emotional needs of a lifter if progress is sacrificed. So if you are constantly having issues with training four days a week, it is time to change.
And this goes for more than training days. It also goes for excessive volume, and excessive conditioning. Not progressing is a clue that at least one thing in the system you have set up for yourself to achieve your goals is out of whack. Perpetually being sore and tired another. It’s not expected that you’ll feel at your peak every day, but you should feel good on some days. Genuinely good, as opposed to the abscence of simply feeling bad.
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I’ve definitely had really phenomenal workouts, but my perception is probably skewed at this point
We know this, you know this, the question is why don’t you care, and why won’t you do anything about it?
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Stuff like cold therapy and contrast showers also make you feel less sore but have been proven to inhibit muscle growth.
You are training hard and have goals you want to achieve, but at the same time you are doing almost everything possible to prevent yourself from getting anywhere. The fact you couldn’t match old 1rms after a full training cycle should be enough to tell you that something is wrong. The only things you could do worse is start drinking heavy and smoking crack.
No PRs = nothing phenomenal at all
And Anna is doing some form of training how often? 6 or 7 days a week?
Anna, you need to stop training like a madwoman and get healthy. Only then will you see any progress on your lifts as well. What you are doing has absolutely zero benefit, and as you can see you are having health problems and going nowhere. If you continue it will only get worse.
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Honestly, idk. I’ve been trying
Trying what?
You’re following none of the recommendations or advice you’ve asked for.
We had a conversation, after you asked for advice, moths ago about adding protein and calories post workout. You still train am and don’t eat until midday after adding 10k+ steps.
We had a conversation, after you asked for advice, months ago about reducing conditioning to help improve recovery and facilitate strength gains and hypertrophy in the gym, you added conditioning just yesterday.
You asked about calories, we all said go from 1600 to 2000, your ‘concession’ was +100.
You asked about deloading, advice was same weight lower volume, you did conditioning.
You asked about 1rm prep, advice was a lot more carbs day before and day of, you added a tiny amount of extra carbs 2 days before.
I’m starting to feel like my advice might be wasted here…
I care about how you’re doing, but it certainly lessens my motivation to give thoughtful responses when you clearly think I’m wrong.
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100% I’m really sorry for the frustration
I have been eating 2k for the past week or so and conditioning is kind of my way of getting in accessory work in ( ie circuits)
I definitely don’t think you’re wrong. I don’t understand what’s stopping me from following the advice you and many other very well meaning posters keep giving me
Your problem isn’t lack of accessory work, one of your problems is too much accessory work.
Seeing as you aren’t supposed to be losing weight, this is a mindset you have to, despite all the things that causes it, have to try to eradicate. It’s holding you back.
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Good point- I was using the weight loss scenario as a metaphor to describe my mental struggles
I guess my reply lacked enough luster to convey that I understood this to be the case, but I hope there is some value in hearing that even though the mental struggles are there you don’t have to treat them with kid gloves. Ultimately, you’ll have to find strategies to chip away at them without them getting the best of you.
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Hey, I have read a lot in here without participating.
You have been given awesome advice by a lot of people, have received some pretty direct concerns and most of the time you skip right by the advice and won’t or can’t follow it.
You’re intelligent, following your advisors logic is not the problem. You are not seeing clearly. I don’t think you see the same thing looking in the mirror that we are seeing looking at your selfies.
Let me ask you, do your friends and other people you interact with ask you about your weight, eating or training in a concerned manner?
What I suspect the problem to be is best summarised by Nietzsche : “Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”
The only thing I’ll advise you to do is talk to a professional (psychotherapist, not dietitan).
If for nothing else other than prove your online friends wrong and calm them + your parents down, then for that.
Therapy is a good thing (fun fact: I am writing this out of a mental health facility). Give it a go.
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I’m willing to eat more now, giving up conditioning is the hard part
@T3hPwnisher how did you manage to pr while doing the half marathon thing?
I was talking with a friend of mine whom have had an eating disorder before and sought, and received, successful treatment.
This was the first time I shared with her my own struggles, and we got to talking about what point I am at now. Evidently, there were several things in which I employed a faulty reasoning, or at least one inflated by my own issues to the extent that they persist.
As a concrete example, we talked about the remaining orthorexia, out of which stems an inability to fathom that an individual, much less myself, could consume a cinnamon bun and not suffer gastric distress. And, I argued vehemently that the people that don’t feel it simply aren’t used to not being in gastric distress. Maybe I am right, it’s quite an inflammatory item viewed under a scientific lens — but, how much of my perception is feeding into that view? I’ve certainly had such pastries as a kid without doubling over, so why shouldn’t I be able to do so now?
That’s one mental hang-up that persists, but its not the most high priority ticket on my agenda on things to fix. It’s okay to have problems, and delay their resolution until later. And I even said that where I am at now with regards to this is something I’ll allow to persist for a while. I’m still fighting the urge to move around more whenever the scale moves up, and not let myself sneak in added exercise or movement. That takes precedence at the moment.
But you’ll continue to spin your wheels unless you actively try to resolve some part that constitutes your mental struggles. The question you’ll have to ask yourself was, what can you commit to do for yourself along those lines that’s simultaneously meaningful?
I’m very happy you upped your calories, but the increase was not big enough to begin chipping away at the problems. Either you need to eat even more, combine it with another strategy, or find another approach.
And everyone telling you to talk to someone, try and listen to them.
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I put on 7lbs of bodyweight through the process.
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I’m familiar enough with the Sheiko Program now so I shouldn’t need to bother you too much about that going forward. I’ll up calories consistently and try my best with the conditioning thing and if worse comes to worse, up food again.
Weekly pics and weigh ins will still happen but feel free to ignore those
See you in May when I ( hopefully) hit my prs
When I read this, I thought “it’s a traaaap”
Felt relieved by pwn’s response lol
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What’s the purpose of the weekly pics? So you can look back and compare? You need to make sure they are conductive to your goals.
Your goals are to gain muscle AND fat, correct? For your health issues the latter is more important I believe …
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