Anna's Training Log Part 2 (Part 1)

Sorry to hear, but applaud you for being open and honest about it and this,

Acknowledgement is a good first step.

As far as this goes,

I agree with @heretolog and what @dagill2 says with regards to

is very true indeed.

I’d encourage you to, if you are able, prod into what your friend does when they can’t keep busy. My friends whom I’d attribute similar expressed sentiments to operate on crash-and-burn cycles wherein they’ll inevitably end up spending a week doing absolutely fuck all not even managing to consume new content on Netflix but rather rehashing old stuff as their mind shuts down. This might be true for your friend. What is true for my friends is that they do not feel bad about their rest and recovery once they do end up taking it. If they did, I presume they wouldn’t find any rest in that state.

In a lot of facets in life we mistakenly believe and associate that more is better, but that premise is flawed in various ways. Some examples include,

  • If you study more, you will get better grades.

This is conceivably true, depends on what is being studied and what premium is placed on rote memory. Even then, spaced repetition has proved to be better than extreme volume. There’s also an opportunity to consider if grades themselves are a good goal which, while measurable, does not translate to how well someone learned or understood something.

  • If you work more, you will make more money.

True for a lot of professions, but there is also an upper limit on how money influences happiness. Also, if you make enough money to invest meaningfully, should you work more?

  • If you practice more, you will play better.

This is proven time and time again to be true but again spaced repetition returns. And, curiously, the more practice emulates performance the better (with regards to skill, not strength).

My point is, more isn’t always better, even though it may seem like it.

Did you enjoy the cooking shows?

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Thank you for the thoughtful response! It really means a lot :relaxed:
I don’t necessarily want to do more, I just hate the feeling of being consciously incompetent and am very frustrated that I can’t seem to get myself to do anything about it

Weekly checkin:
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Weight: 98.2
I look FUCKING HORRIBLE- Even my arms are way less defined, waist wider. I can actually grab the fat off my stomach :sob::sob::sob: I had no idea just how fluffy I’ve gotten. The worst part is that I’ve been the safe, if anything a bit less and Thanksgiving dinner tame compared to my other grill nights.

It seems like qI’m gaining weight for no reason. I feel like those women who look back at old pictures that they thought looked horrible at the time but would now love to get back to “that body” I really don’t want to look back in 20 years and think that THIS body was “lean”

I don’t even look like I lift anymore and god knows when I’ll be able to lift properly again

You are not establishing habits and patterns that will ensure being able to live to that length of time.

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I can’t speak for him, but my interpretation of what he said is that your self image and your thought processes are so poisoned that you could die long before you get to that age. Your disease is progressive and fatal. Meaning, if left untreated, it’ll get worse and you could die.
Pwn is eating a good deal of food every day, and his muscle is showing through because prior to dieting down he ate fuckloads of food. For years.
Furthermore - and this is where you and him differ most - he is acutely aware of what eating habits of his are unhealthy.
I’ll ask for the 30th time - do you have a plan to get professional therapy for your disorder, and can I, or anybody on here you’re more comfortable with, help connect you to a professional?

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You don’t look horrible, you look fine. It’s actually hard to tell a difference between now and before but if anything I’d say you are trending in the right direction.

I haven’t read your training sessions in that much detail recently, so I might be writing something that doesn’t apply, but it was my impression in the past that you have attempted to train to illicit hypertrophy and ordinarily your gym work is mostly strength oriented. Strength is primarily neurological, and I believe it will return quite rapidly once you are able to return to ordinary lifting. I’ll happily highlight that your strength-to-bodyweight ratio is quite something, although I’d be absolutely applauding if you are willing to focus more on absolute strength and bring your bodyweight up to support that while seeing the ratio reduced.

I digress. If I was forced out of the gym thanks to the gyms shutting down I know I wouldn’t necessarily be able to emulate my experience in there very well, and I’d presumably be unhappy if I tried to emulate it as it would just be a bad facsimile. Instead, it could be viewed as an opportunity to address the gaps that training have missed over the years and thus have a better balanced body on which to build further strength with once normality returns somewhat.

Generally, lifters are likely to have some inward shoulder rotation, and as far as my own concerns go I’d personally invest my time heavily toward doing band pull-aparts, shoulder dislocates, and YTWs to build my lower and middle traps. All of my other ideas are more specific to my weaknesses, but there are so many things I could work on bringing up without needing a barbell.

I encourage you to give it a moments thought, to see if you yourself wouldn’t be able to bring up some weak links in your kinetic chain and that every exercise has a genuine purpose. I hope that would frustrate you less than not being able to emulate a modality you want to engage in.


As far as your reply to @T3hPwnisher (now removed) and what @flappinit wrote again you play the comparison game while ignoring that said individual has had many more decades to invest in the pursuit in which you are comparing yourself against them than you’ve spent years living. And, arguably, remain blind to that you actually do more stuff in total than that person.

I’m familiar with the trap of doing too much at the same time, and my mind does get stuck in the “more is more, more is more is more is more. More has to be better because it is more.”-mentality.

And yet, is it?

These are our training logs this is not the competition floor. Among the logs there are people younger, older, stronger, faster, on (and not on) anabolic steroids, that defeat me in any measurement I try to progress in. In a competition setting, they are “better” than me. If I run my head into the wall trying to catch up or beat them, or emulate them, so much so that I’m not even alive 40 years down the line not only did I fail to meet a measure of success in this current instant but also long-term.

I’m not anti-competition, but challenge yourself against yourself. You can continue on this me-vs-you path that you are on, which doesn’t seem to be working well for your well-being, or you can find that it is a “me-vs-the-bar” or “me-vs-it” pursuit that you are engaging in.

The way I look at it, in the context of the community, is that it is a “us versus ourselves”-engagement. And, if you look at how people engage with one another on here, what is so beautiful about this community is that rarely do we focus on applauding absolute numbers. We see progress. We acknowledge when someone becomes better than they were. Because everyone here that’s been around for a while has at some point lifted or trained with less than what they do now.

People that manage to finish cycles of 531 consistently, or do what they set out to, they get pats on the back, support, and applause. Ironically, people that present “accomplishments” (crazy good physiques and/or beastly numbers) usually just get prodded for “tricks” so people can “catch up”. Side-note: whenever the answer is “consistency”, a lot of us (myself included) fail to listen.

And if you cannot get out of the competition mindset, the hard truth is this: If you want to beat someone at a thing, then everything they do (or abstain from doing) that further separates their performance from yours makes what they did/didn’t right and everything you did/didn’t wrong.

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Thank you so much

Yes, I’ve been doing high volume stuff close to failure

I’ve been working on my posture. What are YTWs? I might want to give them a try

I’m not trying to compete with anyone explicitly. I see other’s work as a picture of what’s possible and what I “should” be doing. For example, when I read that someone managed to push through a workout despite not getting sleep or feeling ill, I feel bad about myself because I know I would’ve given up
I don’t care what they’re doing, it’s their mental toughness I wish I had

Exactly. I don’t want some trick to reach my goals. I want to be able to push

Good point.

I know you’d mentioned before that there are some real cultural problems with female children in your family.

Do You think your response here could have something to do with that?

As someone who applies this to regularly, might I say that if I had more of a choice, I would choose differently (that sometimes includes skipping a workout aka giving up).
You need to put people’s actions into perspective instead of doing a 1:1 comparison.
Something really important and not at all easy to embrace statements (believe me we are all struggling with this at times): You are not other people.

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And what impact would say learning how to do this have on your lower back strength?

Basically lying on the floor and mimicking Y T and Ws with your arms focusing on initiating the movement with the scapula rather than focusing so much on what your hands are doing. Just rotate thumbs up.

It’s also possible to build a pyramid but it always start with a single brick.

Maybe they should be examples of what you shouldn’t be doing rather than what you should be doing.

You push yourself hard everyday, it’s not surprising you don’t have energy left over. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, or experiences in your mind that maybe aren’t yours but I’ve come to realise that at least for me the amount of effort I expend to “control” my food is absolutely eating up a large swath of my willpower and self-discipline and whenever something revolving food happens that triggers a sense of guilt, or when a situation presents itself that becomes a stressor (social eating, drinking, …) that is energy I effectively rob myself from that could have been put to other use or eats into my ability to recover (and not only recover from my training).

Also, that aside, when underfed, and overexercised, your body is fighting you every which way it can to make you slow down. At some point talking about cortisol alone means missing out on the role adenosine will start playing.

Recently, I’ve been exploring some new content and I read a sentiment that relates to this topic that was,

You are tired?
Rest. No stimulants, simply - rest.

and it is laughable that that was foreign to me. Another one related to hunger

You are hungry?
Eat. Real food.

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I’ll give these a try!

I genuinely enjoy what I’m eating and don’t need willpower to make good choices. I also eat basically the same things everyday so there’s not really a decision. but family events with lots of food stress me out. I could also be unconsciously expending mental energy

This is what confuses me. If I’m underfed, why would I be putting on fat?

100% correct in all regards and, once again, totally ignored.

I may be coming across as nasty these days, but I honestly carry a fair bit of guilt knowing that my sheer existence is killing a girl.

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I’m very sorry. The “ignore” I set last time expired two weeks ago. I’ll reinstate it

I honestly do not know why I dislike therapy so much, and that’s something I’ll have to figure out. I don’t feel ready

I’ve recently started reading a book on eating disorders that I have reasonable doubt to assume I’ll be recommended in the future. One chapter opens with a quote from another book with how prisoners at Birkenau viewed themselves.

I’ll translate what I assume is already a translation

Big-Irene enjoys her thinness despite being swollen, Anny thinks she’s beautifully round despite being alarmingly skinny, Jenny who is the width of a nail thinks she’s perfect. The popularity of Clara’s ass affirms to her that she is beautiful.

These women all weighed about thirty kilos. They saw in themselves a big stomach, a big add, vivacious thighs, and ample bossoms and while they saw themselves in a positive light this non-realistic body image is what is seen in people with eating disorders as well (although sufferers of an eating disorder doesn’t view these things from a positive light) and the cause for this is believed to be informed by an imbalance brought on by nutrient deficiencies in the brain. And also explains how people recovering from an eating disorder might start viewing themselves as skinnier at a higher bodyweight because the deficiency is fixed.

I don’t believe you have a realistic body image.

Just wanted to quote this again for emphasis, and because I don’t want to either be silent, or to add my unqualified opinion here.

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I’ve been to a decent amount of therapy, it is uncomfortable by nature, you’re addressing things that you are (sub)consciously burying. Shying away from it is the easy option, one that I frequently take, but it doesn’t mean it’s the correct one.

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Because it forces you to dive headfirst into the very things you don’t want to acknowledge.

Going to therapy to tackle something like this is not supposed to be enjoyable. You still have to do it. People with cancer don’t jump for joy at the thought of chemotherapy, but they must do it.
Unfortunately, your affliction is far more surreptitious and less tangible than cancer, and so it is able to be ignored.
Make no mistake, though - you’ll never be “ready” in the sense of, “Fuck yeah, I wanna go talk about this”. A 98 pound girl posted a picture on here today and, without dancing around terms, called herself fat. You are ready for therapy, just not ready to admit you need it.

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Admitting certain truths about yourself and finding ways to fix what needs to be fixed is mentally tougher than gutting out some workout when you’re feeling under the weather.

If you want proof of being mentally weak- this is it, not that you can’t gut out some workout when you’re feeling under the weather.

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Yeah. The physical stuff is easy, and actually just a distraction.

Sometimes after a particularly tough subject with my therapist I’m exhausted in ways that exercise can’t match.

The upside is that I’m looking at myself differently, my relationship with the wife is stabilizing, and I’m a little easier going with others.

It isn’t ripped abs and big lifts, but it’s absolutely beneficial as a foundation to build one’s self from.

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I think this is the issue for me.

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