One more note…
I have NEVER had high “T” levels make me depressed. (Very horny though…) High “E2” does make me feel like crap.
my E2 WAS 28 would gettting it any lower matter ? im told yes…im told no…anyone ?
starting AI now, not waiting on test reults
I have had very hi E in the past 81 on a 10 to 50 scale. My T was at 300 or so at that time also.
Gels and creams did nothing other then drive my T to 166. Started T shot 2 weeks ago, started HCG last night, started AI today. I will run blood test in about 5 days to see where I stand.
Depression is my biggest issue.
I am Hypothyroid, so need to keep track of that, each doctor has a different opinion what a proper T4 level is.
Vit D deficient too , take a 50,000 unit tab once a month.
Adrenaal / cortisol level very high last testing to, need to retest
I need to sort all this out, I pulled out the stops and spending whatever is needed to get this figureed out, when my depression hit [ about 1 week out of 5] I can barely survive, suic…l thoughts etc.
seeing phych doc
therapist
endo
hormone doctor
primary care doc
hard for me to coordinate all the docs, some dont like what the others does etc. No cohesion amongst my doc
need them all in one room…
enough about me
Man, I feel for you. It’s a bitch to get this all sorted out. I would seriously give it some time. That E2 number you have can really make you feel like hell. Depression was one of the things I was struggling with too. An AI will really help that. Give it a month to do it’s thing. I would make a plan and stick with it. I’ve experimented with all of the different therapies and I’m still tweaking a few things.
brent, thanks for the encouraging words, I really need to hear positive thing
Keep the course …you will get there.
5 days may not be enough time for b/w to reflect any dosage changes. Once on T-cyp shots, hcg, and AI, start with a given dosage, hold for about 30 days (21 min) and do b/w. Then make adjustments from there. If you keep changing, and not giving your system time to adjust from a dosagee change, you will go in circles forever. ( I know this one first hand…)
I think that once you get all the hormone issues sorted out, you can fire half the other docs.
Good luck, and think positive.
WANTED TO SHARE THE EMAIL BELOW I GOT IN A PM FROM A GUY HERE, HE GAVE PERMISSION TO POST IT HERE. HIS STORY MUCH LIKE MINE. SHOWS THE DIFFICULTY GETTING GOOD TREATMENT
I was taking antidepressants but they made most other symptoms worse. I have been depressed and gaining wait for the last 8 years atleast, it’s only the last two years the depression and anxiety got the better of me and found out I had low T which was where the nightmare began.
Each doc had their own idea how to treat it, one let me suffer on just hcg for 3 months while my T was at 119. I just recently found a good doc, saw him on the 4th for the first time.
First doc ever to want to treat estrogen…my first urologist told me I was a guy so we didn’t need to worry about it. Anyways, had my second shot about an hour ago, adex and doctor is supposed to call me about hcg today…still waking up, if I think of more I will message you.
I am close t 3 weeks into T shots, and 4 days into HCG shots, and 3 days into AI treatment.
Coming out of a bad depressive episode that lasted 8 days, very scary, hoping to be turning a corner.
Do to some depression issues I stopped drinking and nicotine use a couple years ago. I started excercizing last year, and started HRT a month or two ago.
I went into my old bar hangout , I used to go there for happy hour after work . I do not go there anymore.
Any way , I was at the YMCA working out tonight and I ordered some carry out from my old pub hangout. I went in to get my order, same old faces in there, just like I never left.
Anyway, at least a half a dozen people , includeing some women came up to me and said how good I looked and they missed seeing me. One of my old drinking buddies was in there and told 5 times how good I look.
I have NEVER gotten this type of compliments till now. Feels good and energizes me to keep working out and keep on the HRT.
thought I would share this story with you all
Matt
Way to go Matt. Nothing like a few patts on the back to keep yourself motivated huh.
depression back… can hardly function
plus Labcorp lost my blood samples and I need to go back in to see levels since I been on T shots for 3 or 4 weeks now
what dose of AI hcg and test are you taking?
Only asking because I took the recomended dose on the AI and barely got out of bed for a week…just now feeling better.
[quote]rfish1966 wrote:
Only asking because I took the recomended dose on the AI and barely got out of bed for a week…just now feeling better.[/quote]
Sounds like you are an adex over-responder.
[quote]KSman wrote:
rfish1966 wrote:
Only asking because I took the recomended dose on the AI and barely got out of bed for a week…just now feeling better.
Sounds like you are an adex over-responder.[/quote]
Very much so…
[quote]KSman wrote:
You can inject T cyp with an insulin syringe into the vastus lateralis.[/quote]
How the hell are you going to get an oil based test through a 31 gauge insulin needle? It’s hard enough pushing it through a 22 gauge. Did you just mean a plain syringe?
A regular 3ml syringe is OK (I prefer the size of 5ml), but you’ll need two sets of needles; an 18 gauge to draw from the vial and a 22 gauge about 1 1/2 inches for injections. (Based on experience, you’ll want both needles.) It takes a couple seconds to push even a 1 ml dose of an oil based T through a 22 gauge needle.
31 is easy, just takes longer. I use 27’s or 25’s depending oh what I have laying around. I usually draw it with an 18 or 22 though unless I am down to the insulin syringes.
rfish…you use 31 to imject test ?? if so…how long ? has to be long enough to go into muscle no…thanks
You might want to read all of the recent research on subQ T injections. Not only is IM not needed for small doses of T, less than .5cc, but they’re finding a smaller dose is needed subQ and E2 is actually lower that way because of a slower release.
Keep in mind that T cyp was originally designed to inject every three to four weeks in large doses. Obviously you aren’t going to inject 400mg subQ thus IM. The recent research is interesting and worth a read. Endos and Dr Shippen are recommending subQ T shots now in small doses.
[quote]brentf13 wrote:
You might want to read all of the recent research on subQ T injections. Not only is IM not needed for small doses of T, less than .5cc, but they’re finding a smaller dose is needed subQ and E2 is actually lower that way because of a slower release.
Keep in mind that T cyp was originally designed to inject every three to four weeks in large doses. Obviously you aren’t going to inject 400mg subQ thus IM. The recent research is interesting and worth a read. Endos and Dr Shippen are recommending subQ T shots now in small doses. [/quote]
SubQ T injections are news to me. If you have some links to studies, please share them so I can pass them along to my endo. I’ve already got a load of studies on T and leptin, ghrelin and insulin resistance.