Well as it was probably not AAS alone that caused AM fatal health problems, I think it is important to look into the ancillaries that we use alongside AAS so in that case:
current cycle:
250mg sus EOD, only 875mg a week (you are a lot bigger than me though)
GH 8iu ED 5 on 2 off
metformin 1700mg ED
anavar 60 mg ED (for 3 weeks only)
Epherdrin around 120mg ED
I don’t do a lot of ancillary stuff on cycle. Not do I do any orals.
I guess my most involved cycle would have been
200mg Test E E3D
150 Tren E E3D
100 Primo E3D
50mcg IGF ED (training days only)
Never tried the GH
Don’t do fat burners.
EDIT: - It was EQ, not Primo. My bad.
rj how did you find primo at such a low dose?
[quote]testanabol wrote:
rj how did you find primo at such a low dose?[/quote]
Home brew.
[quote]testanabol wrote:
rj how did you find primo at such a low dose?[/quote]
I was mistaken - it was EQ, not primo. For some reason I can’t stop getting the two mixed up.
Dementia 
The subject of pro cycles come up here and there and there always seems to be some segment agreeing that the pros use massive cycles. After beginning to use AAS I felt this way, but after much experience have found this not to be the case.
At my peak I got to 250lbs ~10% and 240 ~7%. I did this using only test (800) and mast (400). An injury (that some of you know about) kept me from training since that point, but the progress certainly wasn’t slowing. The only peptide I previously used was a couple shorties of IGF, and I never used clen (not even caffeine actually), T3, slin, etc.
While my progress at those points is nothing to write home about compared to the pros, it definitely opened my eyes. If I threw in some HGH, perhaps some slin, ate more food (already at 6000-7000/day), and threw in some orals or more “anabolic” steroid choices, I have no doubt that I could get to a relatively lean 275-300lbs after another couple years (mind you I didn’t compete, so severe dieting wouldn’t impact gains).
Just throwing out my experience to show taking 5-6g/week plus peptides just isn’t necessary, at least for most people. It’s a mix of genetics, AAS, and lifestyle. Taking that much juice just isn’t healthy.
i think that most would be surprised with the amounts that some pros run. some a lot less than what people think, some A LOT more. people tend to underestimate some mens ambitions… a cycle like this does seems somewhat unreasonable… but it has been rumored that this man abused halo almost year round, which wreaked havok on his organs. (and i believe halo is somewhat demonized too). Extremism is never a good thing in my humble opinion.
As for the common logical fallacy that ALL pros are megadoses, well… its just that… a fallacy.
Being in the fortunate position to know several pros and have talked extensively with them reguarding their cycles, i will offer the following;
i see bulking cycles on here which actually comprise of more quantity than what current champions use.
Now, the trouble starts when we look a little deeper, say a champion with a big endorsement deal is required to go out and guest pose at least once per month, said bodybuilder does not want to be too out of shape at any time.
So, enter t3, clen and diuretics.
Continued t3 use i do not know enough about to make any presumptions but i no of only one case where the thyroid has ceased to function when the 6 year spell was discontinued.
The diuretics imo are the dangerous part and should be fucking destroyed all across the world lol
A current pro i recently spoke with is on a cycle that sounds like so,
Test Prop 150mg ed
Dianabol 80mg per day - 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off
T3 50mg per day continuos - dosage increased 16 weeks before competition.
HCG - dont know frequency but this guy has not had a break from steroids in over 9 years…
GH, and slin are also used but i did not discuss peptides in detail.
One incident i will mention is that of a bloke i trained with for a few months who recently died, he cycled steroids intelligently, maybe 3 cycles a year for 15 years, but used t3 and e/c/a alot.
The autopsy, so i am told, showed that his organs were prematurely aged by around 40 years - he died at 44 of heart failure.
There is more to this story but maybe another day.
[quote]testanabol wrote:
Being in the fortunate position to know several pros and have talked extensively with them reguarding their cycles, i will offer the following;
i see bulking cycles on here which actually comprise of more quantity than what current champions use.
Now, the trouble starts when we look a little deeper, say a champion with a big endorsement deal is required to go out and guest pose at least once per month, said bodybuilder does not want to be too out of shape at any time.
So, enter t3, clen and diuretics.
Continued t3 use i do not know enough about to make any presumptions but i no of only one case where the thyroid has ceased to function when the 6 year spell was discontinued.
The diuretics imo are the dangerous part and should be fucking destroyed all across the world lol
A current pro i recently spoke with is on a cycle that sounds like so,
Test Prop 150mg ed
Dianabol 80mg per day - 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off
T3 50mg per day continuos - dosage increased 16 weeks before competition.
HCG - dont know frequency but this guy has not had a break from steroids in over 9 years…
GH, and slin are also used but i did not discuss peptides in detail.
One incident i will mention is that of a bloke i trained with for a few months who recently died, he cycled steroids intelligently, maybe 3 cycles a year for 15 years, but used t3 and e/c/a alot.
The autopsy, so i am told, showed that his organs were prematurely aged by around 40 years - he died at 44 of heart failure.
There is more to this story but maybe another day.[/quote]
Thanks for some very intersting insight T.
TBN
scary shit
[quote]testanabol wrote:
There is more to this story but maybe another day.[/quote]
I am interested to hear the rest, as my only concern with the whole bodybuilding lifestyle, AAS included, is long-term health concerns.
Thanks for the info. I’ve heard very similar from some other people, and it seems logical. Do these guys you know do anything differnt pre-contest? I know a lot of dudes (not necessarily pro level) that do cycles as you mentioned year around, but then load up quite a bit the eight weeks or so pre-contest. It seems to work alright, and gives them a bit of a break most of the year from heavy use.
I’d like to hear more about this aswell since my main interest in AAS are the long term / irreversible effects.
A friend of mine who has not quite yet turned 30 recently had to have his kidney bioposied. His kidneys were not functioning properlly at the time and the doctors wanted to make sure he hadn’t done any permenant damage.
I would guess that in the last 10 years hes been completley off twice for maybe 6 whole months total.
He almost came off when his kidneys were having issues but instead cut his dose to around 500mg per week. Proceeded to blame the problems on tren enathate along with the test he was using and will not use tren enathate again.
All in all he won a couple level one shows and a level two in Ontario and planned for provincials. He is actually a very intelligent individual, just obviously not in this matter.
[quote]testanabol wrote:
Being in the fortunate position to know several pros and have talked extensively with them reguarding their cycles, i will offer the following;
i see bulking cycles on here which actually comprise of more quantity than what current champions use.
Now, the trouble starts when we look a little deeper, say a champion with a big endorsement deal is required to go out and guest pose at least once per month, said bodybuilder does not want to be too out of shape at any time.
So, enter t3, clen and diuretics.
Continued t3 use i do not know enough about to make any presumptions but i no of only one case where the thyroid has ceased to function when the 6 year spell was discontinued.
The diuretics imo are the dangerous part and should be fucking destroyed all across the world lol
A current pro i recently spoke with is on a cycle that sounds like so,
Test Prop 150mg ed
Dianabol 80mg per day - 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off
T3 50mg per day continuos - dosage increased 16 weeks before competition.
HCG - dont know frequency but this guy has not had a break from steroids in over 9 years…
GH, and slin are also used but i did not discuss peptides in detail.
One incident i will mention is that of a bloke i trained with for a few months who recently died, he cycled steroids intelligently, maybe 3 cycles a year for 15 years, but used t3 and e/c/a alot.
The autopsy, so i am told, showed that his organs were prematurely aged by around 40 years - he died at 44 of heart failure.
There is more to this story but maybe another day.[/quote]
Very sorry to hear about your training partner Tbol thats fucked up, and rather worrying for me peronally as I am quite a fan of the ECA
anything is possible, thanks for the info ee
You have a nice weekend too
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Boxer666 wrote:
interesting thread. rainjack seriously a jackass. all he has to do is not open the thread if he doesnt like the subject… but nooo he wants to come in and call people noobs and talk down to them as if he is superior.
STOP REPLYING and GTFO homo
-maybe he doesnt know any other BBers cycles. one guy said they said they like igf1… if anyone else knows this would be the place to post it
thread doesnt need justification
stop being a jackass.
And who pulled your 1 month old fucking chain?
Noobs should learn to shut the fuck up. Every time piss holes like you post, you make my point for me.
Some punk dick licker telling me to GTFO? If you want to talk about Menzer - let’s hear it. I really don’t think EE needs some emo fuck face like you fighting his fight.
DO you get a little stiffie when playing Mr. Internet Super Hero?
[/quote]
Grow up. Geez. Are you this much of a little bitch in real life?
No one gives a fucking shit what you do.
Maybe that’s your problem: No one fucking cares.
Deal with it becuase it’s not going to change anytime soon.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
testanabol wrote:
There is more to this story but maybe another day.
I am interested to hear the rest, as my only concern with the whole bodybuilding lifestyle, AAS included, is long-term health concerns.
Thanks for the info. I’ve heard very similar from some other people, and it seems logical. Do these guys you know do anything differnt pre-contest?
I know a lot of dudes (not necessarily pro level) that do cycles as you mentioned year around, but then load up quite a bit the eight weeks or so pre-contest. It seems to work alright, and gives them a bit of a break most of the year from heavy use.[/quote]
Interesting that this thread has resurfaced again, i guess it must have ended during my abscence from the board.
Unfortunately Schwarz, you may or may not read this but i will post the rest of the story just to finish it off.
To answer the questions posed first, pre contest cycles that i have the fortune of knowing of usually involve as many non aromatising drugs as possible.
And as many metabolic stims as they can lay there hands on, obv this varys from pro to pro and the drugs usually begin around 12 weeks out, it is also interesting to know that Test is not the base of most cycles, Viagra i guess.
Back to the story, following the autopsy, it was revealed to the family that the heroin substitute methodone was the reason behind his heart failure, basically an OD. Not that i am in anyway clued in on these things, but the concentration in his blood exceeded what was feasible to his body.
The only reason i can find behind this is cortisol control, he was a big and experienced guy after all. I do now have all of his training, nutrition and drug logs in my possesion, kind of a parting shot from his family, he does make several reference to methodone but nothing clear enough to make light of.
However, i do find it of particular interest, how the autopsy revealed such premature aging of the organs, i would also like to know how this can be measured - visceral fat deposits perhaps?
As i said, im not educated enough on the topic of rec drugs, hence my thread, ‘street drugs’ not to long ago.
Sorry if it is not as interesting as i built it up to be, i was going to add in a part where he was choking removing jamie easons g-string but thought it would lack the tact required when telling of the dead.
Test
EE is just throwing a titty fit. This thread died after the first post.
He can’t think of an original thought, so he copied/pasted my reply to him in another thread.