You are arguing against something that nobody is talking about and isn’t happening.
So if drag queens and homosexuals are no big deal then why not a seminar for kids run by the North American Man-Boy Love Association? Where do you draw the line?
If I’m alright with public libraries having Marx and Engles on the shelves, yea, I’m fine with it AS LONG AS I have the OPPORTUNITY to avoid it, protest it, or hold/request a similar event that caters to my tastes…
I’m all for the open market place of ideas and revel in the thought of getting the chance to explain these things to my child in a thoughtful, responsible and robust way when I deem it appropriate.
Also, keep in mind, this hypothetical tranny is ALSO part of the community who quite possibly pays the same taxes that funds the library as well; and so do the people who hypothetically bring their children to said story time. If I were to “ban” this event, would I not be a tyrant who wants society to fit into my world view?
Again, this is predicated on this event being organized and announced so I can avoid or protest as I see fit. I would not burn a book on the shelf of the library for the same reason.
True Story: My local library has Marx on the shelf but no Mises. So I requested a copy of “Human Action” and “Socialism”. By gum, they filled my request and now a copy of “Human Action” and “Socialism” sits next to Marx on the shelf…
So, my tax dollars, as it relates to tranny story time, do not ONLY fund tranny story time - they also fund the activities of the librarian when they fill my request for books that better round out their collection - which they fulfilled gladly…
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I said in my very first post on this, that I don’t support drag queen only reading hour. Then you and others repeatedly strawmaned me. Look back at my posts. Pretty much all of them are correcting others for misinterpreting my position.
You are arguing against something nobody has stated as if I said it. I am correcting you.
Except you aren’t allowed to protest it, in Ottawa there was at least on incident where people protested on drag queen event in a library and the police came and threw them out.
I don’t even know what you are arguing about anymore, you agree with me on the drag queen thing but say you would be okay with it if it were open to anyone to read to the public. It isn’t and nobody is talking about that except you.
I just told you I am correcting strawman arguments. That is all.
You don’t think it is okay if a drag queen reads to kids during open reading hour at the library?
I think anyone who would bring their kids to something like that is seriously fucked up, but that was never a question until now. Why are you so into drag queens reading to children at libraries? Some sort of unresolved childhood issues perhaps?
I am not. I am into people having personal freedoms. I am for law abiding citizens having equal rights. Why should some people have less rights than others? How do we go about choosing who gets more and who gets less rights?
That’s just your opinion. I don’t have kids, but if I do, I won’t be afraid of them seeing different people.
So neo Nazis or KKK reading to children at an open event is fine too?
You would be fine with them growing up to be drag queens? I don’t see why you would want your kids to be exposed to mentally ill sexual deviants, there just isn’t a good reason for that. I don’t want to see that stuff myself.
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I don’t think you understand my position on free speech. Yes, of course they can read to children if it is open reading hour. If I am there, I will use my free speech to protest them.
This is not at all the same thing. Seeing a drag queen does not mean the kid is going to grow up to be a drag queen. I had gay uncles growing up, I saw drag queens. Ended up straight.
However, while I don’t understand it, if I had a kid that turned out to be a drag queen, I would try to judge them on their character, on how they treat people, not on what they want to wear.
I wouldn’t. There isn’t any reasonable evidence supporting your assertion that a drag queen is a mentally ill sexual deviant. What makes you think it is a mental illness if a man wants to wear women’s clothes?
That’s where you’re wrong - I AM allowed to protest it…
I live in Massachusetts - a very left leaning state. I recall an event like this happened in one of the towns where a group of religious people picketed outside of the library. The event went on, the protesters protested. Everyone went home.
BUT, I do wish YOU had that ability to peacefully protest events without the threat of jail and I feel for you - it’s a human rights violation for sure not to be able to peacefully assemble and air your grievances…
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I understand your position, just here in Canada we have free speech in name only. Anything considered to be promoting hatred is illegal, so protesting drag queens reading to kids is just as illegal as promoting Nazism.
No, but it’s a step in that direction and is likely to leave the kid confused.
Mentally deranged is not necessarily a sign of bad character?
Until recently, this was considered a mental illness - gender dysphoria. Only under pressure from LGBT activists was this changed, just like how homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
I’m not wrong, we just live in different places with different laws.
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This is unfortunate. Hopefully you get free speech in the future.
I doubt this. I don’t see gay guys kissing and think “hmm, maybe I should give that a try”. I think people are attracted to who they are naturally attracted to in almost all cases.
What makes you think they are mentally deranged?
Do you know why it was changed? Because the old stance wasn’t based on solid science. It was opinion for the most part. We have a pretty good understanding of sexuality (compared to recent history at least), and understand that sexuality is a spectrum, and has a distribution that is fairly well understood. Things like this that are normal are not a mental illness.
Here is some reading:
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If propaganda is misleading information for political purposes than there’s a lot of it going on. Many more expensive than someone reading at a library.
It’s not behaviour and it is normal. And I think someone comparing a person after acceptance for something none harmful being compared to people who killed millions is ridiculous.
I draw the line at abuse.
I don’t know why you compare two adult men loving each other or a man wearing dresses with man-boy love. It seems like you’re homophobic.
What’s your dislike of gay men based in? As you know I’m barely in these topic areas so it I’ve missed you explain this before I apologise.
Why do they so often look like some clownish caricature of a woman. Like black face is for race.
Not likely with the people we have running things. All major parties are various shades of leftists.
So taking female hormones and cutting off your dick and balls and caring a hole between your legs is due to natural attraction? This is what is being presented as normal and a legitimate life choice.
What makes you think they are not?
And this new stuff isn’t based on opinion? Psychiatry and psychology are unique in that there is no objective standard for diagnosing anyhting.
Kinsey is a sick fuck who did sexual experiments on children, giving them orgasms and such. His opinion is worthless.
You must have a different definition of those words.
It seems like you’re pedophobic.
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Many leftists want free speech too.
Does it matter if this is stemming from natural attraction or not? Do you think people should be able to make choices that impact themselves, but not other people?
I guess I am libertarian when it comes to personal rights. Maybe you are not? I just don’t like the idea of a group getting to decide what people can and can’t do as far as individual liberty.
We would need to prove they are deranged. Until then the assumption is that they are not. This type of logic is common in medicine.
IIRC, they found that it is common enough that it is considered to not be a mental condition.
This is an indirect ad hominem attack. Evaluate the argument by it’s merit, not the person arguing it.
I use the standard definitions.
At this point I’ve got to assume you’re a troll of some sort. You seem clever, I’ve been open with you, I do want to start to understand the viewpoints and politics coming from North America. The reason for this is that I’ve heard local parents start to state American right wing talking points.
Where do you come from? Is it a highly religious area?
In the US, the GoP (Republican Party) started to tie themselves to the Evangelical Christian movement a few decades ago. You will hear people say they are a conservative Christian in the US, like you if you were a liberal Christian, that would be lesser for sure (even though it probably lines up with the Bible closer than being conservative).
So you have a group that historically has taken things on faith, and now you see them take on the talking points of the GoP with faith. It has created a population that is cult like (not all people who support the GoP obviously). Trump can say something on video, then a week later claim he didn’t say it, and it is believed by a good portion of his base that he didn’t say it. Many of his followers think he has good morals, isn’t a con artist. It is quite frustrating. Many of them are not interested in hearing anything that goes against what they currently believe. They don’t care about what is true, they care about what they believe.