@anon18050987 Can someone explain in layman terms what this means? The original study said “Oxandrolone” but for shortness I am calling it Anavar.
Does this mean Anavar miltiplies the effect of a Keto diet, for example?
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Anyone?
an effect rivalled only by stanozolol and methyldrostanolone
Seriously, you can look at the data on the other c17-aa anabolics. They all skew lipids, but not like anavar does.
With oxymetholone it was something like a 50% drop in HDL and a 50% increase in LDL at 50mg/day
With methyltestosterone something like 30-40% drop in HDL, 50% increase in LDL
With stanozolol… 5mg/day will fuck up your cholesterol. Anavar gets dicey above 5mg/day too (for most)
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You could always try anavar… I’m not suggesting you do this, but think about it this way.
Life is full of wonders, if you live a life crippled by fear of what might eventuate associated with the risks you take… you’ll always wonder. You’ll wind up being plagued by all of the ‘what if’s’.
There is a spectrum of risk. There is obviously a difference in the level of risk between making a conscious choice to take AAS vs the risk of getting hit by a bus walking down the street tomorrow. But if you can get anavar on script… you’ve taken it before have you not?
Have you been worked up for any subtype of cardiac abnormality (from defects to abnormal pathways to dysautonomia).
Like as bad as anavar is… three weeks isn’t going to cause a heart attack unless you succumb to a coronary vasospasm. You’d have to be very unlucky. I’m assuming you don’t smoke or take stimulants (like Adderall)
Get this right… I have a genetic disorder, and my prior use of anabolic steroids (albeit very mild use) enabled me to accrue a level of muscular strength that is leaps and bounds beyond what others with EDS seem to have. This in part allowed me to participate in contact sport, weightlifting etc, and although I know it’s going to fuck me up in the long run (esp with familial dyslipidemia)… the juice actually seems to be worth the squeeze… It’s the difference between being able to live a normal life and being borderline unable to function and relying on splints/braces and whatnot. It’s the difference between constant, recurrent dislocations and one dislocation per year etc. Chances are I will run a cycle here (MAYBE once every year or two) and there just because it seems benefit me tremendously. Enhanced proprioception, additive muscular strength and joint stability.
If you are going to use these drugs, think about it seriously… I’m very much aware of the slew of complications that I’m theoretically at risk of encountering. As are you… the ball is in your court.
As much as many scrutinize SSRI’s/SNRI’s, they work wonders for some of us.
If you are getting legit pharma grade oxandrolone (provided you haven’t tried ox before) I imagine you’ll also be opening up a can of worms.
One thing that needs to be reiterated with AAS is that the cosmetic effect is not permanent. All AAS tend to give off a different “look”, but when you come off you more/less wind up becoming a bigger version of what you looked like before.
That “woah! My traps have blown up and all of my muscles look so full/hard/dense/grainy”(depends on what you are taking) is temporary. So the question begs
Why do you want to take AAS? Do you want to get bigger? Leaner while preserving muscle? Or are you chasing aesthetic perfection? Are you chasing a certain feeling? Depending on your goals, what you want may or may not be sustainable
You want to add 20lbs to your bench 1RM, oxandrolone will probably help you get there quickly. If you want to be absolutely peeled (considering you are already lean). Oxandrolone will get you there, but that is temporary…
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I have a thread about a year old showing what oxandrolone did to my lipid levels.
I did see results but that one in particular paired with high fat low carb diet wrecked my lipids in short 8 weeks.
Was prescribed 50mg split am/pm for 8 weeks.
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@anon18050987 Amazing insights and very interesting. Especially with Oxandrolone being considered for such a long time as the “mild” and “safe” oral. I wonder what a statin would do to curb the lipid effect of Oxandrolone?
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Are you sure you don’t have any form of inherited dyslipidemia?
Your lipids are really terrible on oxandrolone… but they’re not great off oxandrolone either… were you overweight to begin with?
HDL of 40 and LDL of 156 at baseline?
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You look good
Very lean though. You should eat more fast food/something yummy and enjoyable.
Kfc
Burger king
Mcdonalds
Other… American fast food. Wendys? Is that still around?
Not certain about that never been checked for it.
Yes started out very overweight.