There were several books, not studies(though they might reference studies, its been several years since I read them) that contain medical professional’s results and observations, in a therapeutic context. The one that comes to mind, is Anabolic Therapy in Modern Medicine Illustrated Edition
The lack of studies doesn’t necessarily mean they are ineffective or dangerous.Steroids were prescribed freely until the 1990’s, for non therapeutic reasons. Until recently they were still prescribed for many therapeutic reasons. I have yet to find a medical professional to tell me what they have been superseded by, and if the new therapies are more effective. Nothing to see here, move along.
The bias is political(steroids as PED’s so they must be bad, and dangerous), and company based financial reasons(patents ran out many years ago, so they can’t make much money out of it these days).
Yes it is amusing, in a laughing rather than not crying kind of way. Why are the proven safest steroids like primobolan not available, or even mentioned as possibilities? Its all political, not scientific, evidence based.
The funny thing is several doctors including an endo looked at all my blood tests for several years, which all showed my levels were not in any way dangerous. They were all obviously scared by the topic( self interest on not getting scrutinised by authorities).
They were simultaneously impressed and yet is disbelief by my anecdotal results, my record keeping of tests and my spirit of personal experimentation driven by need.The results didn’t tally with what they believed would be the case. The endo thought my balls would have shrivelled up to nothing(they hadn’t). I didn’t even take hcg.
Doctor’s are all too human in their failings, and their education especially when it comes to steroids, especially endocrinologists.
It’s very harsh on lipids, can cause hypertension (also acute) and hepatotoxicity.
In terms of tolerability however clinical trials dictate within an acute context it’s actually a very tolerable drug, even in high dosages. High cholesterol and transient transaminase elevations won’t kill you within a month or two.
Anadrol isn’t as bad as tren, winny, methyltren, M-sten, halo, perhaps trest (depending on dose obviously) etc. It’s worse than most injectables, but there are plenty of orals that rank higher regarding overall toxicity.
Probably lack of efficacy. If employed medicinally the aim would be to elicit a desired effect within the shortest timeframe possible.
Primobolan isn’t going to help someone who has lost twenty percent of their bodyweight within a three week timespan (referring to duration of therapy). Anadrol however just might be able to do this.
As to safety, I suppose it’s individualistic. I have bad lipids at baseline (not quite FH bad, but there’s probably a generic factor at play here). @lordgains can someone with LDL 135 HDL 43 at baseline have familial hypercholesterolemia? Typically the lipid profiles within those who have FH are significantly worse. Had my LDL test at 150 once, all other tests prior to me jumping on statins (without a script mind you, both of my parents are on statins, I believe that’s a strong enough indication + familial history of dyslipidemia for me to be on) have me at around 135-140. Interesting how we don’t have any known familial history regarding heart disease despite lipid abnormalities being common.
If I take gear at virtually any dose aside from testosterone my lipid panel goes to shit (statins to the rescue). High cholesterol within an acute context isn’t the end of the world, though given the current emphasis on heart disease and the role of dyslipidemia and oxidative stress (both of which AAS aggravate) most doctors would theoretically shit a brick if they saw my bloods with HDL 25 LDL 140 etc.
Plenty of data now exists regarding the development of cardiac pathology associated with AAS use. Though this wouldn’t apply to medicinal use (i.e a short course of 1-200mg primo/wk or something).
Neither do (some) of mine? Why do my bones hurt? Who knows…
Damage to your hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis perhaps (even then, unlikely). AAS and kids don’t mix, but look at the literature and you’ll see some 2-6% of high school kids end up trying anabolic steroids.
It’s not all that uncommon. The majority of those 2-6% don’t have the same complaints you have. It’s typically more along the lines of “why can’t I get my dik hard after using superdrol for fourteen weeks? And why are my eyes yellow?”.
Are you living in the 1950’s? The hippocratic oath has been dead for like ever. It is all about the money these days. You got the cash you can get a script for anything.
Confounding symptoms: xanthomas and arcus corneae.
Premature coronary heart disease
Generally suspicion of FH comes when patients present with LDL >190 (children 160), but as there are thousands of possible mutations in the LDL receptor I wouldn’t be surprised if it is possible to walk around with 140 and have a form of it.
You get therapy for the underlying issue not the anadrol. You are seeing doctors, good. I guess you can listen to them or not. I’m sure they did bloods and didn’t find anything right?
Then it’s difficult, you could have a rare disease or just injuries. They treat it how they are used to doing it. I think it’s important to get the opinion of several (3) competent doctors. Then try the solutions from least invasive to most invasive. If you did this and the next thing is surgery, then that is probably the next step.
Similar bias exists for many things in Aus (like the war on kids at festivals, our stance on coal mining and climate change etc). I don’t actually attend these festivals anymore aside from heavy metal concerts/events when possible, but I can detect a ham fisted agenda steeped in misinformation and hypocrisy when I see one.
I believe the bias pertaining to AAS is partially political and partially steeped in reality. AAS aren’t healthy, but they aren’t nearly as bad as the media makes them out to be. The level of misinformation and ignorance present in Aus today regarding AAS is the result of a political agenda; which is interesting as these agendas haven’t been particularly successful in the past (think DARE). I suppose AAS was associated with cheating in sports, needles and whatnot; all commodities of which are looked upon unfavourably. The dynamite was already there, someone needed to simply light the fuse.
There’s a happy medium, you could probably have hormones like testosterone, primobolan etc sold OTC for those over the age of say… 21 at a pharmacists discretion without society falling into disarray; physician assisted monitoring and access to services providing harm minimisation would be encouraged. Another framework I’d like to see (because this will NEVER happen) would be decriminalisation, and this is possible depending on which minor parties that come into power. The reason party (VIC), liberal democrats, the greens (ew) and a few others would cater towards this approach.
Problem with the decrim approach is that the criminals and dregs of society tend to be the ones that profit (as is the case with maintaining illicit status)
Anadrol is a prescription medication given to people of all ages who have anemia. They are given more than you took and for a much longer duration. Your problem is unrelated. I’m sorry that you don’t want to believe that, but it’s time for you start living with reality on reality’s terms, not yours.
I have a friend that is just really predisposed to joint issues. If he took anadrol and trained it would make them worse likely. I’m guessing this is the situation that op is in.
Recently I have found if you spend a little time getting a bitcoin wallet you can bypass the whole script thing as well as the whole UGL thing and just cook your own whatever. All the basic materials are out there but to stay safe they will only take bitcoins. There are guys on YT selling programs on where to buy and how to cook your own everything. This is going to be a big game-changer moving forward in this hobby.
Raws are very difficult to get into Australia, secondly I don’t trust myself to be able to adequately manufacture hormones within a sterile context. Thirdly the penalty for minor possession in my state is typically a fine + a criminal record depending on prior convictions. AAS possession isn’t taken as seriously as recreational drug possession because they’re scheduled in line with the equivalent of a schedule IV/V (US scheduling) medication in all states aside from Queensland and the northern territory where they’re scheduled in line with heroin and methamphetamine (possession can lead to 20 years in prison)
@Beyond_Beyond care to give recommendation as to how we can beef up out steroid laws? I think everyone ought to require mandatory blood tests at three month intervals. An elevated testosterone level will be punished by castration. This would fall in line with the Australian “tough on all crime rhetoric” so long as it fits the average Aussies narrative (so steroids = castration but getting drunk in public and acting like a complete jackass coupled with public urination is totally okay!!)
With that being said, penalties associated with manufacturing are enormous, I’d imagine the same to be the case in America. You’d be looking at 10 years here for manufacturing.
I don’t know. Some people just have bad joints. Training heavier with AAS doesn’t help. My friend got a surgery on his shoulder, and it did help some, but he is predisposed to injuring it again because his joints suck. He also has hip issues. Finding exercises that are easy on the joints might help. You may not be able to use full rom on many of the compound movements.
Sometimes we don’t win the lottery for genetics. You may find some relief with joint supplements, but you are not likely to be a great strength athlete because of your joints. It sucks, but sometimes it is what it is.