Why doesn’t Biotest offer us the option of buying the expensive, elite supplements?
I would probably splurge here and there to get some real top notch stuff. Doesn’t make any sense to not even allow us a choice. Some people ARE willing to pay absurd amounts for the absolute best supplements in existence.
[quote]baldsamson wrote:
anaconda can be purchased from daylightnutrition [/quote]
Sorry dude, but Biotest Anaconda and this sexual enhancement Anaconda are totally different
Biotest Anaconda= Awesome muscle building potential(so we hear)
Daylight Nutrition= Awesome boner enhancing potential!!
www.daylightnutrition.biz/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=anaconda
I think it is people getting impatient, I think there is more than enough people waiting for it’s release, so common TC make it happen. Push that shit forward paisan.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Anyway, who cares? Plenty of people making progress without it. I’m only curious what the “special blend of casein hydrolysate” could be.[/quote]
I do know of a certain hydrolyzed casein that is incredibly potent and expensive…
Again, I am not sure if a single poster so far has knocked the QUALITY of Biotest supplements.
I just find it a bit funny that CT (I’m not calling you out but you are welcome to chime in) and some other authors will design “protocols” that require multiple servings per workout/day of a product “to be effective” … when a lot of these authors (even most of you Biotest employees) get the products FOR FREE, which means many of you have no idea how the average customer would be able to afford regularly the latest “super protocol.”
My favorite case in point?
Flameout.
I believe in it. I notice a reduction in achy joints when I take it, but when I see an author say “for this program, I like to use 9-12 Flameout caps” which translates into $120 per month of JUST fish oil, I find that to be a classic case of being disconnected from your client base.
Then an article by Dave Barr that the “optimal” amount of casein protein to consume pre-bed is around 80g, which is 4 scoops of MD Low Carb…which is FOUR TUBS of protein for JUST a night time snack (4 x $30) per month. See what I am getting at?
Does that make sense? It’s not a knock, per se. Just a frustration that, not only do we have to buy a product - which most of us don’t have a problem doing - but marketing literature and articles that claim we won’t be getting “optimal results” unless we buy X UNITS of said product.
And the all-caps are for emphasis because I am far too lazy to put italicize tags, not because I am “yelling.”
Mod Brian,
I think that you most of all are missing this point that I’m trying to make. If you guys really want to be honest with us, post all the Biotest supps that you regulary take (including the amount of UNITS of each product that you consume PER MONTH) and then list how much of your income goes toward affording those Biotest supplements.
I am really curious now. Let’s see it.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I’ll bet anyone here $1,000 that Anaconda will be released before 2009 is over.
Any takers?
I thought not.
Which was sort of the point I and others were making.
We KNOW it’s going to be released. In fact, I am dead serious that I’ll bet you a $1,000 that it will be.
So the stuff about not releasing it gets tiresome.
As for why we care? We are sophisticated consumers. Do note that it’s mostly level 0’s who can’t comprehend our frustration.
Yes, there are some of us in this world who prefer to give our money to people who are at least mostly honest with us.
Some hype is fine. It’s great. There is a line, though.[/quote]
Agreed, its just a little tiresome, same as the “its too expensive for the public…oh wait, we figured out a way that its not.”
Then no sooner are they out, a lot fade into relative obscurity. Remember the original article of 11-T? who’s recommended that latley from Biotest? and the info about it is “being redone on the new website or something”
Anyway, happy training
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I think that you most of all are missing this point that I’m trying to make. If you guys really want to be honest with us, post all the Biotest supps that you regulary take (including the amount of UNITS of each product that you consume PER MONTH) and then list how much of your income goes toward affording those Biotest supplements.
I am really curious now. Let’s see it.[/quote]
Oh, I know I couldn’t afford it. I’m very appreciative of Tim’s generosity. The cost of what I use I am well aware most cannot do. I haven’t added up the cost but I know it’s a fortune.
I think you will think it fair of me to say that when people post questions I don’t steer them to $600/month (or whatever) solutions.
What I currently receive is based on my having tracked usage over the previous several months, but this never winds up being completely accurate for the future because cutting vs gaining obviously affects usage, and things like that.
But myself:
4 Surge Recovery Original
2 Rhodiola
2 Power Drive
1 Receptormax
2 Leucine
2 Superfood (I want to use this much but have failed to keep up. Average use about 1 per month)
2 Flameout
2 Surge Workout Fuel fruit punch
2 Surge Workout Fuel lemonade
2 Rez-V
2 Z-12
4 packages of 12 Finibars
1 case of 24 Spike Shooter original flavor
I do also use Beta-7 but have a stock that needs going through so it isn’t in the list.
Regardless of my using a lot, people do fine picking and choosing what is appropriate for their budget.
And there are some who have funds where this kind of thing isn’t even an eyeblink. Or most certainly those whose incomes may depend on their physical performance and have the ability to pay for these sorts of things generally don’t have a cost problem.
What’s worse is, though I’ve cut back to economize, on top of all the above I used to spend about $300 for health-purpose stuff from LEF, and another $40 per month on ribose! I haven’t added it up but if I had to pay for the Biotest supplements plus pay for those, that surely would work out to over $1000/month. And yes I know the great majority can’t afford this. I have been very blessed by Tim’s generosity in this.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
hey how does this place still have MAG-10?
[/quote]
$225 no thanks
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
hey how does this place still have MAG-10?
$225 no thanks
[/quote]
hey jehova I remeber calling you out about 11-T,
Im curious, how did it go?
are you still using it?
how did it compare to other supss you have taken?
and stats/gains etc
I think this is an interesting example. Biotest mentioned it, then it didn’t work out, meanwhile the forums are simmering. Every site change sets of new buzz, years go past and everything continues to simmer, then when it does get around to possibly being released there is user driven forum hype. Its just too much, there is a lashback for a reason. A little teasing is fun, A little foreplay goes a long way for sales, too much and your customers feel that your a prick tease and treating them unfairly. They then start to look at the talk, and it all gets viewed with cynicism.
I remember that it first got mentioned in terms of “the new MAG-10”, now its a protein/peptide thingy. Somehow i just don’t think its going to live upto MAG-10. Thats part of the hype problem. Many people feel mislead. Someone should draw up a timeline from search results.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
I think that you most of all are missing this point that I’m trying to make. If you guys really want to be honest with us, post all the Biotest supps that you regulary take (including the amount of UNITS of each product that you consume PER MONTH) and then list how much of your income goes toward affording those Biotest supplements.
I am really curious now. Let’s see it.
Oh, I know I couldn’t afford it. I’m very appreciative of Tim’s generosity. The cost of what I use I am well aware most cannot do. I haven’t added up the cost but I know it’s a fortune.
I think you will think it fair of me to say that when people post questions I don’t steer them to $600/month (or whatever) solutions.
What I currently receive is based on my having tracked usage over the previous several months, but this never winds up being completely accurate for the future because cutting vs gaining obviously affects usage, and things like that.
But myself:
4 Surge Recovery Original
2 Rhodiola
2 Power Drive
1 Receptormax
2 Leucine
2 Superfood (I want to use this much but have failed to keep up. Average use about 1 per month)
2 Flameout
2 Surge Workout Fuel fruit punch
2 Surge Workout Fuel lemonade
2 Rez-V
2 Z-12
4 packages of 12 Finibars
1 case of 24 Spike Shooter original flavor
I do also use Beta-7 but have a stock that needs going through so it isn’t in the list.
Regardless of my using a lot, people do fine picking and choosing what is appropriate for their budget.
And there are some who have funds where this kind of thing isn’t even an eyeblink. Or most certainly those whose incomes may depend on their physical performance and have the ability to pay for these sorts of things generally don’t have a cost problem.
What’s worse is, though I’ve cut back to economize, on top of all the above I used to spend about $300 for health-purpose stuff from LEF, and another $40 per month on ribose! I haven’t added it up but if I had to pay for the Biotest supplements plus pay for those, that surely would work out to over $1000/month. And yes I know the great majority can’t afford this. I have been very blessed by Tim’s generosity in this.[/quote]
Do you take creatine? How about 11-T? Are you still taking the other supps? If so do you mind sharing? Thanks.
BT
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
My very honest answer…[/quote]
You are the man. I appreciate your detailed response and honesty. I didn’t think you’d ever claim that most people could afford your monthly consumption of Biotest goodies; that doesn’t seem your style.
Thanks for that, Bill. I hope you understand that I wasn’t trying to ruffle feathers and draw battle lines but merely make a point against what I see as certain marketing strategies.
Yes, ribose is some expensive stuff !
UMM YEAH…Dave Tate’s crew is using iut to break world records! I am VERY confident Dave Tate’s crew is not using ANACONDA to break world records. Damn, i love Biotest supplents i have spend upwards of 20k on them but some of this shit is just getting ridiculous.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
My very honest answer…
You are the man. I appreciate your detailed response and honesty. I didn’t think you’d ever claim that most people could afford your monthly consumption of Biotest goodies; that doesn’t seem your style.
Thanks for that, Bill. I hope you understand that I wasn’t trying to ruffle feathers and draw battle lines but merely make a point against what I see as certain marketing strategies.
Yes, ribose is some expensive stuff ![/quote]
I, too, would like to thank Bill for being so upfront and honest with his reply.
[quote]anonym wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
Its a thread created by Jehovasfitness (hint hint).
Why will it be deleted?
And I trust I am not shitting on anyone’s lawn here with that post.
ethos14 wrote:
What’s most surprising about this thread to me is the fact that it hasn’t been deleted.
Whaddya mean by that, TD? [/quote]
Do you really not get what he’s inferring? Not that I agree with td, but c’mon :).
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Do you take creatine? How about 11-T? Are you still taking the other supps? If so do you mind sharing? Thanks.
BT[/quote]
I don’t bother with creatine though I should. I am one of those that I really can’t notice the difference, but the research is sound enough. I did order a kg of creatine malate a while back, not because I think it is more effective for delivering creatine but because malic acid has value in itself, but it throws the taste of things off and – unlike the case with leucine where the importance has me not concerned about such things – that has wound up causing me not to use it. And I just haven’t gotten up the motivation to order a kilo of the monohydrate.
I don’t use 11-T because when using androgens, I use trenbolone acetate plus HCG, or TA plus testosterone propionate. I have tried it of course and it was of definite value to me when dieting. As a long time steroid user, I couldn’t expect it to provide me with gains taking me above and beyond what high dose anabolic steroids have, and so I never had such expectations for my own case, nor would I for other experienced steroid users.
Oh, and do I still take the others:
I still take the ribose but my rate of usage has dropped some. I now go through a kilo per 3 months rather than per 2 months.
I haven’t placed an order with LEF for a few months now and only still have benfotiamine. I don’t know if that can still be ordered, with the FDA ordering it not to be sold, but if it is still available I’ll get more next month. I’ll reorder the 2-per-day multivitamin and the Super Booster also, if the Biotest multivitamin isn’t already available (I have absolutely no information on that as much a mystery to me as to anyone.)
I also do take, and in the brief account above didn’t include as the cost is not so major, policosonal, Sytrinol, bacopa, Vitamin D, milk thistle extract, TMG, and holy basil extract purchased locally. Also magnesium citrate when dieting and if it looks like I would otherwise be coming up short. And while not considered a supplement, I take KCl (Salt Substitute) when dieting and the diet doesn’t have enough potassium, which can easily be the case.
Of these really only the holy basil extract is pricey.
Most of these are for health benefits that I think are sound, though the policosonal is for preworkout use and is intended to help along with the Power Drive and Spike, though I really don’t know if it does. It is quite cheap though so I haven’t worried about back and forth trials; and the holy basil is intended to aid with recovery.
Oh, I forgot, I did get a kilo of glycine to try Thib’s ideas on that. I’m not going over about 30 g a day though out of cost. Only got that in a week ago so I really don’t know.
How do you take your Rez-V?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Oh, and do I still take the others:
I still take the ribose but my rate of usage has dropped some. I now go through a kilo per 3 months rather than per 2 months.
I haven’t placed an order with LEF for a few months now and only still have benfotiamine. I don’t know if that can still be ordered, with the FDA ordering it not to be sold, but if it is still available I’ll get more next month. I’ll reorder the 2-per-day multivitamin and the Super Booster also, if the Biotest multivitamin isn’t already available (I have absolutely no information on that as much a mystery to me as to anyone.)
I also do take, and in the brief account above didn’t include as the cost is not so major, policosonal, Sytrinol, bacopa, Vitamin D, milk thistle extract, TMG, and holy basil extract purchased locally. Also magnesium citrate when dieting and if it looks like I would otherwise be coming up short. And while not considered a supplement, I take KCl (Salt Substitute) when dieting and the diet doesn’t have enough potassium, which can easily be the case.
Of these really only the holy basil extract is pricey.
Most of these are for health benefits that I think are sound, though the policosonal is for preworkout use and is intended to help along with the Power Drive and Spike, though I really don’t know if it does. It is quite cheap though so I haven’t worried about back and forth trials; and the holy basil is intended to aid with recovery.
Oh, I forgot, I did get a kilo of glycine to try Thib’s ideas on that. I’m not going over about 30 g a day though out of cost. Only got that in a week ago so I really don’t know.[/quote]
I don’t think you can really blame Biotest for the over hyping. Up until recently, I had barely even heard of this supplement being mentioned EXCEPT for from its members. I’m not sure when it started initially, but there was a mention of this supplement in an article, a single mention. From that point on, everytime there was an announcement for a new supplement in production everyone was like “OMGZZZ iz diz da ANACONDA!!! Whenz will we have ANACONDA!!!” without even knowing what it was.
Even this very thread, which is only serving as more hype, was reposted by a member, as an answer to a question, from a member.
So I don’t really think any of you have a right to complain about Biotest while you’re doing the same thing.
It sounds like it will be ready once Christian’s routine comes out. But…there’s other great supps. out there.
USPlabs
Get Diesel
And many more that make top notch supps.
[quote]Ken Rose wrote:
How do you take your Rez-V?[/quote]
I have no particular science to it. I’ve never done literature research to see if there may be benefits to specific timing protocols.
I take it because I think it is likely to have long-term health benefits. If there are benefits for reduced bodyfat then that is an extra.
The label dose is probably entirely sufficient for these purposes, that is to say, one dose per day. Two bottles per month allows 40 doses though, and so some days I take it 2x/day, morning and evening.
I used to take the 1x/day doses in the morning but decided that since I get the antioxidants from the Superfood in the morning, it might split things out better to take the resveratrol in the evening. Again, absolutely no science behind that dosing method, just a guess.