Anabolics vs Supplements

Nutrition
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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
And anyone with actual Answers to my Q .

Thanks [/quote]

Dedicated already answered your question.

Have you followed Beradi’s scrawny to brawny properly? I know a couple that have had a lot of success with that program.

If you want to look like those two skinny dudes pictured above, just play some IM sports and do crunches. However, if you want to look like you have been in a weightroom before be consistent with your training and nutrition. Find out how many calories is your maintenance and eat 500 more and workout 4-5x a week. Any program will work, just stick with it.

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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
And anyone with actual Answers to my Q .

Thanks [/quote]

What question?

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Simple Doc, no ya don’t “need” anabolics. However, you WILL get there faster, there is no substitute for lots of food, good sleep(oh wonderful sleep), and picking up big heavy things only to put them back down. Don’t be afraid to hurt because it WIll hurt, but that will soon pass as long as you’re consistent. Stats, age etc. would be helpful as well.

Btw I know how it feels to look like a newb on the boards again. I’ve been on this site since '98 and actually registered in '03 when they started making us login to post. Any legit questions I would be happy to answer. I’ve been working out for 12 yrs and a trainer for seven.

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Thanks James for you kind words and advice.

Without Taking names -of all the forum Gurus- do you think they take anabolics too. I mean I am a big advocate of natural growth , though I cant deny work and work have kept me out of what I would call strenuous training .So its not that S2B has failed me , I have failed S2B. Nevertheless I should not even use the word “failure” as I have never really given it a shot .

We often see patients with Cholestasis ( Abnormal Liver -Bile Tract) Dilated Cardiomyopathy and their History & drug screen often confirms they were on anabolics . Even CT in one of his posts said he had a heart problem with 33 % EF, and that most probably represents Dilated CM , not that I am being judgmental here .

So how long do you think one should lift and eat naturally to grow. Years I assume -considering I can only give 1-2 hours a day .

Do you have a log of your growth phases during these 12 years .

Any Feedback would be appreciated .

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Thanks Chi

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Bonez

What question? [/quote]

Hmm Bonez , ok tell me what have you been using for yourself to grow . That would answer my Q -with all respect to you mate-

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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
Thanks James for you kind words and advice.

Without Taking names -of all the forum Gurus- do you think they take anabolics too. I mean I am a big advocate of natural growth , though I cant deny work and work have kept me out of what I would call strenuous training .So its not that S2B has failed me , I have failed S2B. Nevertheless I should not even use the word “failure” as I have never really given it a shot .

We often see patients with Cholestasis ( Abnormal Liver -Bile Tract) Dilated Cardiomyopathy and their History & drug screen often confirms they were on anabolics . Even CT in one of his posts said he had a heart problem with 33 % EF, and that most probably represents Dilated CM , not that I am being judgmental here .

So how long do you think one should lift and eat naturally to grow. Years I assume -considering I can only give 1-2 hours a day .

Do you have a log of your growth phases during these 12 years .

Any Feedback would be appreciated . [/quote]
lol your opinion is completely biased. Healthy steroid users dont go to the doctor. Plenty of people who use oral steroids dont have cholestasis, and with the wide range of use in doses you cant just blame the drug. Unless you want to claim erythromycin is dangerous as well.

Hasn’t dilated CM been found in non steroid using highly trained adolescent athletes
as well? Also in regards to CT, couldn’t it be, partly congenital or stress induced CM as well? Seems wrong for you to imply that it was via anabolics without knowing him once so ever.

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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
Bonez

What question?

Hmm Bonez , ok tell me what have you been using for yourself to grow . That would answer my Q -with all respect to you mate-

[/quote]

Please be more specific. I don’t really feel like writing about everything I’ve been doing to grow for the past 6 years.

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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
Without Taking names -of all the forum Gurus- do you think they take anabolics too. I mean I am a big advocate of natural growth , though I cant deny work and work have kept me out of what I would call strenuous training .So its not that S2B has failed me , I have failed S2B. Nevertheless I should not even use the word “failure” as I have never really given it a shot . [/quote]

Still trolling?

You haven’t trained strenuously due to work and yet you’re looking for the secrets of how to grow?

The “secret” is hard, consistent training.

You are foolish for even considering AAS, or even most supplements, at this point.

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Here it goes and then I gotta go back to class, then to work, and then to workout(I'm busy as well). Okay, kind of irrelevant, but I threw that in there just to make a point. NONE of us really have the time which we would truely like devote to the Iron Gods.

I worked for many years in the fitness industry for a very large corporation(which sucked the life out of me)!I’ve also delt with all types of people, with all types of “reasons” of why they couldn’t do what I was TELLING them to do when I wasn’t watching. Long story short, I’m gonna bestow upon you a little bit of what I gave them, brotherly love and Good 'Ol Marine Corps knowledge. The secret is… to drink one hot cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP and just do it bro! Handle your business in and out of the gym and fuck the rest.

The only "supplements" you "need" and that I ever really recommended were things we get in our food anyway (just probably not enough of). A good multivitamin(or Superfood a.l.a. Biotest plug), protein shakes or bars(again time & convenience), creatine/for men(microionized), and maybe a CNS fatburner(I like the old ephedrine based ones, dependant on current conditioning).

Everything else was straight good ole home cook’n. If ya gotta eat fastfood be smart and look for the least processed choices. For example, if I had to eat something like McDonalds I would get a grilled chicken sandwhich(no soda or fries) not my first choice by far, but still better than nothing IMHO.

Enough of the life coaching shit(Blahhhhhhhhh…flashbacks, OH GOD the FLASHBACKS!!!)
Back to the juice. Yes I do think the GURU’s on here have done their fair share of dabbling in the sauce and are giving their honest opinion according to their experiences(except when they’re being funny). All I can give you is what I’ve experienced. To be honest I’ve only done 3 bulking cycles and 6 cutting.

I have expeience with Tren, Anavar, Deca, Eq, Test, D-bol, Winny, and Halotestin and the effects they’ve had on my body. Plus other supps/fatburners/diruetics etc… Questions of that sort need to addressed on the steroid board though.

My stats 5’11", 195, >10%, 30 yrs old, training primarily for overll athletic performance oh, and I also love Earth Wind and Fire and long walks on the beach j/k bro, but really we need more info on you to speak more accuratly on nutrient intake.

Side note: As an intern you know aout all the different OTC meds that can have an adverse effect on the liver/kindneys etc… NSAID’s, Antiobiotics, ACNE meds(Accutane)all kinds of shit, not to mention alcohol.
Steroid use vs Steroid abuse…big differecnce. Post specs on what you wanna know.

                                                                     James23
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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Griffinz wrote:
Bonez

What question?

Hmm Bonez , ok tell me what have you been using for yourself to grow . That would answer my Q -with all respect to you mate-

Please be more specific. I don’t really feel like writing about everything I’ve been doing to grow for the past 6 years. [/quote]

I heard you tried “lifting weights” - is that true?!

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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
Thanks James for you kind words and advice.

Without Taking names -of all the forum Gurus- do you think they take anabolics too. I mean I am a big advocate of natural growth , though I cant deny work and work have kept me out of what I would call strenuous training .So its not that S2B has failed me , I have failed S2B. Nevertheless I should not even use the word “failure” as I have never really given it a shot .

We often see patients with Cholestasis ( Abnormal Liver -Bile Tract) Dilated Cardiomyopathy and their History & drug screen often confirms they were on anabolics . Even CT in one of his posts said he had a heart problem with 33 % EF, and that most probably represents Dilated CM , not that I am being judgmental here .

So how long do you think one should lift and eat naturally to grow. Years I assume -considering I can only give 1-2 hours a day .

Do you have a log of your growth phases during these 12 years .

Any Feedback would be appreciated . [/quote]

  1. I WOULD use the word failure. Pretty much any program will work for a beginner. If you didn’t eat enough or if you didn’t do the training, you failed.

  2. If you stopped acting like you knew anything about training, people would be nicer to you. Nobody gives a shit about your medical opinion. Also, stop using the word guru. It’s especially annoying to me that you are capitalizing it.

  3. Stop being a pussy. Train hard (what you would call strenuous). Eat like a horse.

  4. Beginners that take steroids are stupid.

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[quote]Griffinz wrote:
Bonez

What question?

Hmm Bonez , ok tell me what have you been using for yourself to grow . That would answer my Q -with all respect to you mate-

[/quote]

What worked specifically for him might not work for you in terms of his actual workouts. What will work for you is lifting progressively more and eating a lot.

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[quote]plateau wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Griffinz wrote:
Bonez

What question?

Hmm Bonez , ok tell me what have you been using for yourself to grow . That would answer my Q -with all respect to you mate-

Please be more specific. I don’t really feel like writing about everything I’ve been doing to grow for the past 6 years.

I heard you tried “lifting weights” - is that true?![/quote]

I just did 15 pushups and ate a soy bean. It was a big bean though, so yea it’s true I lift.

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It’s quite clear you haven’t got the point of S2B at all. Follow the diet in that. Follow the wourkouts in that. 4000-5000kcal per day will sort you out. You could have figured out the entire problem just by reading the book.

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OK, assuming you’re really here for some knowledge, and smart-ass punk responses aside, you already know what the problem is–dedication and hard consistent work (in the gym that is). You’ve obviously applied this to your profession, do you really think it’s any different with building a good physique? Would you have become a doctor if you had screwed around and skipped classes, not studied, in short not been serious about it?

So, either make a comittment to training, or forget it! Once you’ve made the decision to seriously train do it like it was your job–if you want it bad enough you’ll find a way to make the time. If that’s litterally impossible, then wait untill it is. As far as resourses go, here it is; all the knowledge to keep you reading for years. You already have S2B,start there and REALLY apply the principles. Stick with that and give it an honest chance to work, then try something else LATTER. In the meantime read your ass off here. Go to the home page and use the links at the top of the page, or look up articles by specific authors.

Do you NEED anabolics–no. Some people have better genetics and metabolic systems for gaining muscle, but as long as you have resonable testosterone levels you WILL add mass with consistent, hard, progressive training. You can most definitely attain a respectable physique without anabolics–and it sounds like that’s what your after, no a massive physique.

Hope that helps,

Crowbar

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Appreciated Crowbar and James.

Finally some positive feedback.