Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]benjafflolz wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]benjafflolz wrote:
I’ve tried carnitine before training sessions (at that time i trained 4x a week) and my fat got to its lowest level ~8% or 9%. Great tool but I found it didn’t always sit well in my stomach, gave me a feeling of drinking coffee on an empty stomach. Still phenomenal for fat loss and great energy during the workout
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how much did you use per session?

can you go into detail on how well in aided in burning fat?[/quote]

It was normally ~10g 30 minutes before training. Energy was through the roof and it helped me pump out sets after sets. During this time I was squatting 3x a week 5x10 and in the 6 weeks I did this program for for my squat went from 100lbs 5x10 to 155lb 5x10. I weigh ~160 and i’m 6"0 so i’m not a big guy by any means; these gains were amazing for me…

During some of this period I was probably in ketosis. Piss was a bright yellow and I had cut out most veggies and it was mostly fatty meats cheese and some nuts. probably ~15-20G carbs daily. Really put me to the test but I was super happy at the end with my results.

No way i could’ve kept it up, i probably would’ve changed programs but I’ve thought about getting more carnitine and just implementing it with my current training.

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awesome. i have some alcar but im not really sure how much i should be using for fat loss. depending on how this week goes i think i may stay keto if i can/if it works (no carb ups)

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Also MAF I’m down to 209lbs, I haven’t been into single-digits in a long time.

Anybody notice that you have to be an Indigo member to look at the training programs?? Pssh, whatever… LOL[/quote]

yeah annoying but you kinda piece it together from peoples personal vids, livespills etc… or at lesat i think i can lol

and good job on the weight drop. i cant wait to get lean! lol enojy it for me

before/after pics?[/quote]

If I can get down to 205/200 I will post a pic of me at 221 which was my starting weight when I began the AD. I need to get some damn calipers too.

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[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:

If I can get down to 205/200 I will post a pic of me at 221 which was my starting weight when I began the AD. I need to get some damn calipers too.[/quote]

only a matter of time… maybe try cleaning up the carb ups or go to one day only if you wanna get there faster?

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so they are selling single bottles of I3G. any takers?

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I remain skeptical on I3D. If it’s as good as the front page tells me, surely more than T-Nation would be talking about it, right?

Anyway, I’m on week 2 of the diet, a steady 2kg down and loving the food choices. Then I realised on Thursday I hadn’t lose any BF. WTF, says I. I’m aiming for 3000cal a day, under 30g carb etc and I thought I was nailing it.

So I kept a food log for a day, very similar to what I’d been eating all week, and calculated the cals/macros at work last night when I was bored.

Turns out, I’ve been smashing down 4200cals and 150g of carbs all day this week o_o Massive eye opener, but now I’ve identified where I’m going wrong (primarily too much milk from coffee, and excessive dairy), I can start to correct it.

Also, does anyone feel any negative effects from cutting vegetables? I used to down an ass-load of spinach a day, but I’ve had to cut it to 250g a day. I don’t see how losing all the nutrients can be beneficial
[Correction with apologies, I actually bothered to read the box my frozen spinach comes in, it’s all fibre-y goodness]

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]RyFry wrote:
yeah the only supplements for fat loss I am taking currently is a caffeine pill before training. I plan on getting some egcg or just drinking some green tea.[/quote]

if fat loss still isnt coming along maybe you should look into a thermogenic

HOT-ROX Extreme is good and lasts aa while.

also, you prob know it but carb ups also serve to boost metabolism. when you go without carbs for extended periods of time t3 decreases and test levels will drop as well.

i’m only skipping carb ups bc i got prescribed t3 - albeit it is WAY too low a dose, im not at as much risk of thyroid levels dropping as you are[/quote]

Is it actually carbs boosting metabolism or is an indirect affect? I thought carbs helped convert t4 to t3. I’m trying to lose body fat with out too much dependency on supplements.

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[quote]RyFry wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]RyFry wrote:
yeah the only supplements for fat loss I am taking currently is a caffeine pill before training. I plan on getting some egcg or just drinking some green tea.[/quote]

if fat loss still isnt coming along maybe you should look into a thermogenic

HOT-ROX Extreme is good and lasts aa while.

also, you prob know it but carb ups also serve to boost metabolism. when you go without carbs for extended periods of time t3 decreases and test levels will drop as well.

i’m only skipping carb ups bc i got prescribed t3 - albeit it is WAY too low a dose, im not at as much risk of thyroid levels dropping as you are[/quote]

Is it actually carbs boosting metabolism or is an indirect affect? I thought carbs helped convert t4 to t3. I’m trying to lose body fat with out too much dependency on supplements.[/quote]

throwing in a fat burner for 6 weeks isnt a dependency…

any yes, carbs are required to convert t4 to t3 but the carb up also boosts total t3/t4 levels

so if you are still tempted to skip the carb up, just eat normally then at night have at least 200g carbs before the next day

forge where 200g minimum comes from… either CT when talking about a similar situation or DH in the old thread

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Oh and btw I don’t think I’m going to do the two weeks w/o carbs. I’m trying having a carb up meal every 3-4 days 100g carb meal.

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[quote]RyFry wrote:
Oh and btw I don’t think I’m going to do the two weeks w/o carbs. I’m trying having a carb up meal every 3-4 days 100g carb meal.[/quote]

ok so basically the mid week carb up… just have those in your last meal or two of the day

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]RyFry wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]RyFry wrote:
yeah the only supplements for fat loss I am taking currently is a caffeine pill before training. I plan on getting some egcg or just drinking some green tea.[/quote]

if fat loss still isnt coming along maybe you should look into a thermogenic

HOT-ROX Extreme is good and lasts aa while.

also, you prob know it but carb ups also serve to boost metabolism. when you go without carbs for extended periods of time t3 decreases and test levels will drop as well.

i’m only skipping carb ups bc i got prescribed t3 - albeit it is WAY too low a dose, im not at as much risk of thyroid levels dropping as you are[/quote]

Is it actually carbs boosting metabolism or is an indirect affect? I thought carbs helped convert t4 to t3. I’m trying to lose body fat with out too much dependency on supplements.[/quote]

throwing in a fat burner for 6 weeks isnt a dependency…

any yes, carbs are required to convert t4 to t3 but the carb up also boosts total t3/t4 levels

so if you are still tempted to skip the carb up, just eat normally then at night have at least 200g carbs before the next day

forge where 200g minimum comes from… either CT when talking about a similar situation or DH in the old thread[/quote]

You’re right, haha I’m just a little short on cash atm. I would just like to see how far I can get without the use of a fat burner then probably use it towards the end to finish it off. Do you guys limit green vedgetables??

edit: should I try and stay w/in designated calories for a normal day?

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[quote]RyFry wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]RyFry wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]RyFry wrote:
yeah the only supplements for fat loss I am taking currently is a caffeine pill before training. I plan on getting some egcg or just drinking some green tea.[/quote]

if fat loss still isnt coming along maybe you should look into a thermogenic

HOT-ROX Extreme is good and lasts aa while.

also, you prob know it but carb ups also serve to boost metabolism. when you go without carbs for extended periods of time t3 decreases and test levels will drop as well.

i’m only skipping carb ups bc i got prescribed t3 - albeit it is WAY too low a dose, im not at as much risk of thyroid levels dropping as you are[/quote]

Is it actually carbs boosting metabolism or is an indirect affect? I thought carbs helped convert t4 to t3. I’m trying to lose body fat with out too much dependency on supplements.[/quote]

throwing in a fat burner for 6 weeks isnt a dependency…

any yes, carbs are required to convert t4 to t3 but the carb up also boosts total t3/t4 levels

so if you are still tempted to skip the carb up, just eat normally then at night have at least 200g carbs before the next day

forge where 200g minimum comes from… either CT when talking about a similar situation or DH in the old thread[/quote]

You’re right, haha I’m just a little short on cash atm. I would just like to see how far I can get without the use of a fat burner then probably use it towards the end to finish it off. Do you guys limit green vedgetables??

edit: should I try and stay w/in designated calories for a normal day?
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see, thats where the uncertainty comes in…

sometimes you need that big excess of calories to speed up your metabolism and on the other hand fat loss may be going smoothly with out it.

but if you are going with the 100g carbs 2x per week i would eat normally then have the 100g carbs right before bed - dont want insulin up while a lot of fat is still circulating

then see how it goes

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one thing about supps though, when i was dieting really hard under Shelby Starnes weekly plan i didnt use any supps

no pre-workouts, a fat burner for 2 weeks tops etc. i felt like shit, had shitty work outs and everything sucked

also has to do with the fact that i was hypothyroid/had low test BUT i know my results would have been better if i just spent 30 bucks on a pre workout and was able to actually have decent workouts and energy through out the day instead of laying on my couch hours at a time

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I do take caffeine and have bcaa’s (I’m experimenting on bcaa’s vs leucine) peri workout. I always have protein w/ creatine pwo. So its not like im not taking anything its just I want to keep it simple and affordable. i don;t want to be like dumb ass kids that spend 200 a month and not be satisfied with the results.

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oh yeah i get it. i’m on a pretty tight budget too, i was just trying say sometimes supp’s really do make a difference

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:

If I can get down to 205/200 I will post a pic of me at 221 which was my starting weight when I began the AD. I need to get some damn calipers too.[/quote]

only a matter of time… maybe try cleaning up the carb ups or go to one day only if you wanna get there faster?
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Perhaps. I know I need to clean-up my carbs… The mind is willing but the body is weak and craves garbage. LOL!

I’m actually doing okay right now, I think I busted through my plateau. Yesterday I did a weigh-in and I was on the border of 208, so I could possibly be down another pound Sat morning when I weigh-out for the week.

I would love to try I3G but I can’t justify the cost. I’ve actually switched up my supplements altogether and am getting good results, and saving money at the same time. Go figure?! As simple as it sounds, the best thing I’ve done for myself supplement wise is sucking down amino acids throughout the day and fasted training.

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you may want to try getting a gda for your carb ups im sure that was mentioned already though. I take cinnamon and I would like to get some ala or need2slin

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[quote]RyFry wrote:
you may want to try getting a gda for your carb ups im sure that was mentioned already though. I take cinnamon and I would like to get some ala or need2slin[/quote]

Whats GDA? I was thinkin about a supplement called Glycergrow myself.

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GDA = glucose disposal agent

i tried glycobol but didnt think it made a difference

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Im thinking about getting need2slin has pretty good review when dosed even minimally

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do you count carbs in your greens maf?