Question and I hope I’m not offending the T-Nation Gods by asking this but silence will speak for itself if I am lol.
My one buddy is very fond of CytoSport Muscle Milk and wants to use it with the AD. So I looked it up and after a quick review I found that its actually not that bad of a product as it has a total of 10 g of fiber per serving thus only living 6 carbs. So as long as he is still under the 30g any reason this product wouldn’t be OK?
[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Wow, a little GVT. With that kind of volume and on this diet it might just be CNS related. Not sure what your diet goals are but I’m trying to drop bodyfat and a few pounds so I’m trying to keep my calories low. Because of that higher-volume training was just starting to work against me. I followed CT’s SH Complex for 15 weeks. The first 6 were great, the next 3 were pretty good but then I could feel the fatigue set in during the following 3 and then the first 3 of the third phase were just too much. My joints were killing me, couldn’t sleep but couldn’t wake up. I think if I were eating my bodyweight x 22 right now then the high volume would’ve been fine but right now 5/3/1 fits me well I think.
Good luck with the GVT, you’re gonne be huge in no time once you get your cal’s up a little. [/quote]
Yah, my joints have been screaming after 4 weeks. Even with copious amounts of Fish Oil being ingested. When I rotate back I may only carry GVT for 2 weeks before going back to Maximal weights. I’m looking forward to upping the weight and dropping the volume next week… 
@Quad: Good question actually. My wife works at Walmart and she gets Muscle Milk cheap. These cartons are perfect and I think 8 carbs after fiber. I drink one of those mixed with a serving of evoo and I take two servings of mag10 t the gym.
@JK Yeah either Imgetting old and cant handle volume or I cant handle the volume at a cal deficit. 5/3/1 has been perfect thus far, hell week 1 was like a deload week compared to what I was doing. I dont mean any disrespect to JW either with that statemet.
Just wanted to throw out a good recipe I tried last night. Seems to fit the anabolic diet scheme. The fish was insanely good with the rich sauce on top.
ENTREE - Broiled Tilapia Parmesan
1/2 cup Parmesan cheese
1/4 cup butter, softened
3 tablespoons mayonnaise
2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice
1/4 teaspoon dried basil
1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper
1/8 teaspoon onion powder
1/8 teaspoon celery salt
2 pounds tilapia fillets
Preheat your oven’s broiler. Grease a broiling pan or line pan with aluminum foil.
In a small bowl, mix together the Parmesan cheese, butter, mayonnaise and lemon juice. Season with dried basil, pepper, onion powder and celery salt. Mix well and set aside.
Arrange fillets in a single layer on the prepared pan. Broil a few inches from the heat for 2 to 3 minutes. Flip the fillets over and broil for a couple more minutes. Remove the fillets from the oven and cover them with the Parmesan cheese mixture on the top side. Broil for 2 more minutes or until the topping is browned and fish flakes easily with a fork. Be careful not to over cook the fish.
SIDE DISH - Bacon Green Beans
3 tablespoons butter
8 slices bacon, diced
2 pounds fresh green beans, trimmed and cut in 1-inch pieces
freshly ground black pepper, to taste
In a large skillet over medium heat, melt butter; add bacon. Fry bacon until crispy; set aside.
Bring a pot of water to a boil; add beans. Boil for about 10 minutes, or until desired doneness is reached. Drain beans; add them to the skillet with bacon and butter. Toss well and heat until well coated. Add pepper; serve.
[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
@Quad: Good question actually. My wife works at Walmart and she gets Muscle Milk cheap. These cartons are perfect and I think 8 carbs after fiber. I drink one of those mixed with a serving of evoo and I take two servings of mag10 t the gym.
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OK so I looked at some of the other flavors of Muscle Milk and I don’t think all are created equal because the blueberry one has the 10 g of fiber but NOT the others unless the soluble fiber is no longer listed on the other flavors but I will contact the company and see . . who knows maybe even I’ll try it as well.
And that recipe sounds yummy BTW
[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:
[quote]JK29 wrote:
@Quadzilla4425: How do you cook your pasta? [/quote]
Well while the water is coming to a boil I added some EVOO. Once its boiling I add pasta and boil this its the texture I like. Then I drain it and rinse it under cold water. I then add more EVOO & butter to the pot and then place the pasta back in. Once again warm it up while stirring everything in mushrooms and/or alfrado or pasta sauce.
When it’s hot I slop some of that yummy stuff on a plate and add pharm cheese and mow down.[/quote]
NEVER rinse pasta…
[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:
[quote]Ronan wrote:
[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
[quote]the champ wrote:
So I started the AD on Wednesday, I want to make sure my carb ups start on a Friday or Saturday but 12 days from Wednesday would be Sunday. So does anyone see a problem with going the extra few days before the first carb up?[/quote]
I don’t think there would be a problem, you’re just going to feel like absolute ass by the time you get there. :D[/quote]
In doing a quick scan of the Metabolic diet his newer version, he says it’s ok to start with the 5 days on & than carb up. Need to buy the book to get much more detail on this. But the small snippet didn’t push the 12 days all that hard.
What do you guys think?[/quote]
Hmmmm? Well . . . if I can toss in my 2 cents I would do AT LEAST a 12 day low carb. Regardless of the version your body needs to make the “Shift” and 5 days to start is to low in my opinion but its just a thought.
If you absolutely had to I guess you could do a carb meal then right back to the diet but for me . . . I would stick it out and pay your dues and just do the long hall and let your body do the “Shift” to make sure you are burning fat for energy but again that is just me . . . keep us posted
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the metabolic diet is meant for general public.
the anabolic diet is meant for BBers and PLers… do the 12 day induction
oh and a (kind of recipe)
i usually use it with broccoli but anyways
2 tbsp natty PB
1/4 packet splenda
dash of hot sauce
2 tbsp mayo
bag of broccoli
soy sauce
garlic powder, salt and pepper to taste
let the broccoli thaw in a pan.
turn off heat.
throw all the other shit in.
put the lid back on.
let sit 1-2 mins.
mix it around and let cool.
once it sets it gets creamy. even w/o the broc its still good to dip chicken breast in or i do the same thing but throw in cole slaw and lean ground beef
well im back in this thread starting monday. 12 day induction here i come…again 
lol
after a 3 month stint on carb cycling (with the aid of a certain supplement, cough cough) ive gone from 175ish to 200lbs.
nothing lets me eat enough to gain and remain lean like the anabolic diet, so im back on as a follower for life.
will be using my leftover I3G during my weekend carbups if anybody is interested.
wow, didnt realize this got all the way up to 30 pages, so i apologize if its been talked about earlier, but, what do you guys find is the best workout volume on the AD?
ive been doing high, high volume 15-25 sets per bodypart while carb cycling (couple stints of DC and HIT though), but i doubt i can keep that up on the AD.
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
well im back in this thread starting monday. 12 day induction here i come…again lol
after a 3 month stint on carb cycling (with the aid of a certain supplement, cough cough) ive gone from 175ish to 200lbs.
nothing lets me eat enough to gain and remain lean like the anabolic diet, so im back on as a follower for life.
will be using my leftover I3G during my weekend carbups if anybody is interested.[/quote]
knew you’d be back… they always come back
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
well im back in this thread starting monday. 12 day induction here i come…again lol
after a 3 month stint on carb cycling (with the aid of a certain supplement, cough cough) ive gone from 175ish to 200lbs.
nothing lets me eat enough to gain and remain lean like the anabolic diet, so im back on as a follower for life.
will be using my leftover I3G during my weekend carbups if anybody is interested.[/quote]
knew you’d be back… they always come back[/quote]
no matter the supplement used, my body will never process carbs efficiently. my workouts are fantastic, but my waistline expands real quick and i lose definition and vascularity.
i remember MODOK telling me once, he knows his physiology and what works best for him, so why would he change what works because the “newest supplement” came out promising to change something it cant. hes a smart man! i think its in his thread somewhere, where i asked him if he was going to purchase i3G.
as far as volume goes, i was doing 1 day carb ups and hitting the gym pretty hard 5x per week
usually like chest/back, shoulders/arms, legs, repeat
upper body days was like 2-3 exercises per body part w/ 2-3 sets per exercise (usually one top set then two less intense ones)
legs is normally leg curls, leg exts, rdls, front or back squat. ramping 2-3 sets per exersise
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
as far as volume goes, i was doing 1 day carb ups and hitting the gym pretty hard 5x per week
usually like chest/back, shoulders/arms, legs, repeat
upper body days was like 2-3 exercises per body part w/ 2-3 sets per exercise (usually one top set then two less intense ones)
legs is normally leg curls, leg exts, rdls, front or back squat. ramping 2-3 sets per exersise[/quote]
thats pretty much the split i was leaning towards. with the workouts earlier in the week being higher volume and heavier weights. and the workouts on thurs and friday being lighter and more to deplete all the glycogen before carbup.
just spit balling some ideas here, but i think im going to be doing pre exhaust this time around, especially for shoulders and chest (damn strong triceps).
Hi everyone,
I’ve been following the diet for about 4 weeks now, I’ve noticed I’ve gotten past the “brain fog” stage I was in for a while. I was hoping I could get a critique of my diet. I’m pretty good about counting the carbs, I literally count the carbs in a tic-tac mint as my daily total. My current low carb day consist of a variation of:
breakfast: 12 slices of bacon
breakfast 2: protein shake, several spoon fulls of walnut butter
lunch: usually some kind of fatty protein, like 10 boiled eggs or a 4 pattie burger no buns from in n out, and some veggies (brocolli or a salad most of the time)
prework out: scoop of protein with water, some NO explode
dinner: usually a ton of meat and veggies, like 2 lbs of beef brocolli chinese food, or tonight I had meatloaf with spicy mayo dip
before bed: HUGE shake, consists of a carton of egg whites 1 scoop protein, and a cup of heavy cream (over a 1000 calories in total and around 75 g protein, roughly 5 g carbs, and whole lot of fat)
Anyways, is this overkill? Is it possible I’m eat too much fat?
My goals are the same as everyone else on this site loose fat, gain muscle.
thanks in advanced
i never really got much out of pre-exhausting my chest except failing with 135 lol but for shoulders i really like doing the john meadows stuff like 50 rep lateral raise partials. that and going behind the neck is the only thing that keeps my triceps out of OHP
[quote]TrojanMan2011 wrote:
prework out: scoop of protein with water, some NO explode
Anyways, is this overkill? Is it possible I’m eat too much fat?
My goals are the same as everyone else on this site loose fat, gain muscle.
thanks in advanced
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quick carbs (NO explode) pre-work out are a no go. a PWO carb drink is OK but only after a couple months
there are people who say they gain muscle/lose fat at the same time but i would just pick one and go for it
as long as your fat isnt too much above the 65% mark it shouldnt be to much.
if youre worried about fat gain i would have that big shake PWO instead of before bed and bump the other meals back… but thats just me
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
wow, didnt realize this got all the way up to 30 pages, so i apologize if its been talked about earlier, but, what do you guys find is the best workout volume on the AD?
ive been doing high, high volume 15-25 sets per bodypart while carb cycling (couple stints of DC and HIT though), but i doubt i can keep that up on the AD.[/quote]
I don’t know about everyone else but I have had great results with AD in combo with the 5-3-1 program. Originally when I found AD I also read a bit of body opus and other things. In a nut shell this kind of diet works best with real heavy weight training program. If Im wrong some of you AD vets chime in.
I cant speak for others but my core lifts go up by 10-15lbs every month since I’ve been on AD. Some months due to slacking I’d have no gains but when everything is done right gains are almost garunteed.
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
ive been doing high, high volume 15-25 sets per bodypart while carb cycling (couple stints of DC and HIT though), but i doubt i can keep that up on the AD.[/quote]
I agree with thehebrewhero. I just did a stint of GVT (4 weeks) and it ran me down. I was doing 5/3/1 before and felt strong and fresh during workouts. Like I’ve said a couple of post up, I’m going to try GVT in the future but for shorter periods (2-3 weeks)… Then go back to a lower volume higher intensity style training.
Best of luck,
JK
So, I’ve been on the AD since Mon. It suits me well. Don’t think I’ve had anymore than 25 carbs thus far. The last 3 nights have been the best sleep I’ve had in yrs. Just cramming as much protein/fats into my system as possible. The biggest hurdle for me will be actually eating enough. I’ve gotten full & satiated so quick, not sure if I’m taking enough in. I will be able to carb load a week from today.
Doing 5/3/1. No issues thus far. & like Ronan, I am also doing the early morning workouts.
@ MAF, why do you think the metabolic is for the every day guy & the AD isn’t? I read on Dipasquales site that it’s just a more detailed version. W/AD out of print, this is the only version out there.
Some real good info in here guys. I have most certainly learned a lot thus far.