What’s the deal with coconut oil on this diet?
I read in the book that it wasn’t recommended, but was wondering if the opinion on it has changed.
John Meadows and a few of the bigger guys on here speak very highly of the stuff, so I’m just wondering if any of you include it in your diet.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
What’s the deal with coconut oil on this diet?
I read in the book that it wasn’t recommended, but was wondering if the opinion on it has changed.
John Meadows and a few of the bigger guys on here speak very highly of the stuff, so I’m just wondering if any of you include it in your diet.[/quote]
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ever since way mentioned it in his thread, i’ve been meaning to pick some up
in the book did it give reason why it was a no-go?
i just figured he thought people would be getting enough sat-fats already so it would be better to get mono’s from EVOO and the like… but im just speculating
I feel like an idiot for not remembering the reason for no coconut oil. Someone broke it down in the 2006 thread somewhere between pages 275 and 320 if I remember right. Truthfully, after reading that it wasn’t suggested on AD by the good doctor and others, I just wrote it off. Talk about a conformist… It doesn’t bother me much though. EVOO taste great and I don’t run the risk of F***ing up the diet.
As a side note, ive been taking shots of EVOO. Now I’m worried I’m destroying the good fats by putting the shot in the microwave for 15-20 seconds to lower the viscosity (makes it a hell of alot easier to throw back). What do y’all think? 15 seconds of heat enough to negatively alter the oils properties?
J. K
found something from the book…
“Medium chain triglycerides (MCTs) also get a big thumb down for use with the
Metabolic Diet. Very few foods actually contain MCTs, but you’ll find some popular
MCTsupplements out there, mostly derived from coconut oil. Many people in a
higher-fat regimen are bullish on these products. They say, “It’s fat, why can’t we use
it?” The fact is that MCTs bypass the whole energy pathway we’re trying to establish
with the Metabolic Diet and can be very counterproductive.
Not that MCTs can’t be helpful. They can be of great use on a diet high in complex
carbs because of their protein sparing effects. But on the Metabolic Diet, the body
ends up using the MCTs for energy instead of the long chain fatty acids that make up
most body fat. As such, we end up bypassing the very metabolic goals the Metabolic
Diet is set up to achieve: to burn its own fat and use those triglycerides as a primary
energy source.
The long chain triglycerides utilized in the Metabolic Diet also have several
advantages over the MCTs. They have an even greater protein-sparing effect than the
MCTs.301And along with decreasing the formation of body fat, they increase the
amount of existing body fat broken down302and greatly decrease body fat levels.”
^^this is from the metabolic diet, essentially the same thing as anabolic diet just a few tweaks for non-bodybuilders, i believe
MODOK mentioned in his thread in the BB forum (and also explained it) that it’s a good idea to use MCTs in the AD diet.
Don’t remember the exact page…
Fell off the AD wagon for 2 days as I had to put one of my animals down and I and the family took it very hard but I really tried to stick with it by snacking on that pork shoulder that Mr. Keeton wants so bad (lol). So since I ate only protein all day I felt ok when I had that bag of popcorn during my movie.
Back to the diet full speed and I’m working on the mental game for training but its hard as my buddy will not be there to keep me company.
I had the same question about EVOO as I prepare my lunch for work and then nuke it later . . am I still getting the cals and fat for my daily totals at least?
Love this thread there guys, very informative.
[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:
I had the same question about EVOO as I prepare my lunch for work and then nuke it later [/quote]
It’s not something that I would do, because it sounds gross, but… how hot does it get? As long as it doesn’t get near its smoke point I’d guess it’s okay.
On a side note . . . note sure if I could do shots of EVOO but hey anything is possible . . good for you buddy . . . nice to know on the weekend I now have a choice of taking a shot of EVOO or the hard stuff lol . . life is all about the choices we take lol
I just get my olive oil by making it into a dressing, very tasty as well:
Basil Vinaigrette
Ingredients:
1 cup olive oil
1/2 cup apple cider vinegar
3 tbsp chopped fresh basil (itâ??s very important here to use fresh â?? itâ??s not nearly as good with dried leaves!)
2 cloves garlic, minced
Method:
In a bowl, whisk together the olive oil, apple cider vinegar, basil, and garlic. Refrigerate until ready to serve.
having trouble taking shots of EVOO?
lol, you guys obviously arent italian
try taking shots of AC vingear. sounds weird but makes drinking everything else easier
[quote]tolismann wrote:
MODOK mentioned in his thread in the BB forum (and also explained it) that it’s a good idea to use MCTs in the AD diet.
Don’t remember the exact page…[/quote]
god damnit.
just searched his thread for “coco” and only found one match but no metnion of why to use
is it in his “modok how do you train” thread?
Yeah, I just do shots of EVOO. My wife has this measuring cup that’s about the size of a triple shot glass. I just measure it out shoot it back and chase it with some water or something.
@Quadzilla (anybody else for that matter): Since you fell off the wagon do you have to do the 12 day induction over again? How does that work? I’m curious because I have some events coming up myself that may cause me to fall off.
Also, what’s the deal with calories from alcohol like Vodka? It says no carbs but isn’t there something different with alcohol that you have to count it somehow? Or am I just crazy?
[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Yeah, I just do shots of EVOO. My wife has this measuring cup that’s about the size of a triple shot glass. I just measure it out shoot it back and chase it with some water or something.
@Quadzilla (anybody else for that matter): Since you fell off the wagon do you have to do the 12 day induction over again? How does that work? I’m curious because I have some events coming up myself that may cause me to fall off.
Also, what’s the deal with calories from alcohol like Vodka? It says no carbs but isn’t there something different with alcohol that you have to count it somehow? Or am I just crazy?[/quote]
As far as falling off the wagon, it depends on how long you’ve been on AD. If you’ve been on for 6 months to a year plus, you’ll probably be good going right back to 5/2. Otherwise I would do another 12 day.
Alcohol is counter productive to the hormonal environment you are trying to create with AD. That’s all I gotta say about that…
J. K
[quote]James Keeton wrote:
[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
Yeah, I just do shots of EVOO. My wife has this measuring cup that’s about the size of a triple shot glass. I just measure it out shoot it back and chase it with some water or something.
@Quadzilla (anybody else for that matter): Since you fell off the wagon do you have to do the 12 day induction over again? How does that work? I’m curious because I have some events coming up myself that may cause me to fall off.
Also, what’s the deal with calories from alcohol like Vodka? It says no carbs but isn’t there something different with alcohol that you have to count it somehow? Or am I just crazy?[/quote]
As far as falling off the wagon, it depends on how long you’ve been on AD. If you’ve been on for 6 months to a year plus, you’ll probably be good going right back to 5/2. Otherwise I would do another 12 day.
Alcohol is counter productive to the hormonal environment you are trying to create with AD. That’s all I gotta say about that…
J. Keeton[/quote]
Yeah I know, I’m not trying to get out and drink. We have a big week-long industry convention coming up and it’s nothing but garbage food and liquor. I might be able to get buy on food if they serve hot dogs and hamburgers but it’s usually pizza and wraps, so I might be screwed. It’s hugely social and yes I know I make the decision to drink but it’s really hard not to. I’m trying ot think of damage control or minimizing the damage and thinking I could get buy with vodka and ice tea or something.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]tolismann wrote:
MODOK mentioned in his thread in the BB forum (and also explained it) that it’s a good idea to use MCTs in the AD diet.
Don’t remember the exact page…[/quote]
god damnit.
just searched his thread for “coco” and only found one match but no metnion of why to use
is it in his “modok how do you train” thread?[/quote]Damn I can’t remember exactly.
Better search thru all of MODOK’s posts (must be at least a 2 week old post).
But I’m pretty sure that he’s in favor of using MCTs, and he’s explaining the reasons behind it…
@Quadzilla (anybody else for that matter): Since you fell off the wagon do you have to do the 12 day induction over again? How does that work? I’m curious because I have some events coming up myself that may cause me to fall off.
Well I’m no expert (and again not trying to step on any toes) but I have been on this now for just over 2 months now and in the book its says that once you have made the shift and been on the AD for a bit the body is forgiving (more forgiving the longer your on it) and as long as you go right back to the high protein/fat and low carb you should be ok and it says 3 days is to long for carb ups. So if your going on a binge for more than 2 days I would do the shift again.
But again as always I agree with Mr. Keeton on the longer the better. . . it also talks about in the first 2 months finding your metabolic set point. I would re-read that part of the Anabolic Solution for PL.
For me the shift was not that hard and I actually like the M- F diet so even if I had to do it again I would be OK . . . so if in doubt . . I would suggest doing the shift again if your under the above time line . . better to be safe
Just my suggestion
Oh and one more thing . . . my wagon falling could almost be considered a mid-week carb up lol as it was only really one meal then back to normal.
Not sure if the AD Gods would agree with this statement or not but I’ll toss it out as a suggestion and wait for feedback . . . is there any ways you can schedule your events in such a way that its just a carb meal? Meaning you don’t eat carbs for the whole day before then spike it that night then right back to the AD the next day and then just don’t do a scheduled 24-48 hour carb up on the weekend.
Any feedback on that though guys?
Guys I have been doing this diet for a couple of months and have made some pretty good progress. I will start off by saying that I have recently joined my college’s rowing team. I Would like to keep with the diet but I’m sure there are some alterations that I will need to make. I started cramping up today pretty easily during practice. But I trained quads and bi’s and played badmitton before going to practice. I’m almost sure I will need to take in more that 30g of carbs to be able to compete with other guys to prevent cramping and such. Can anyone help shed some light on this?
What do you think of this for the carb up?
Start carb up Friday @ 6pm, continue carb up until Sunday around 6pm, maybe minus a few hours depending on how one feels.
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[quote]S C 0 0 Z E wrote:
What do you think of this for the carb up?
Start carb up Friday @ 6pm, continue carb up until Sunday around 6pm, maybe minus a few hours depending on how one feels.
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Hmmm . . . at first glance I would say OK because its still 48 hours and it really doesn’t matter when you do your carb up as long as you stop when you smooth out or hit 48 hours NO MORE. . . . now in saying that leading up to 6 pm on Friday and after 6 PM on Sunday you would have to say NO CARBS at all . . sooo my final answer would be to suggest either all day Friday and Saturday or the normal weekend carb up but whatever two days you carb up (if you can last that long by picking the proper carbs so you don’t smooth out to quickly) it really should be from when you wake to when you sleep. . . just my opinion not sure if it helped or not but may I ask why 6?