Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]RyFry wrote:
I’m thinking about trying leucine on this diet, but i’ve heard dissuading things about leucine and fats. I’ve used BCAA’s while training and have had not problems thus far. Does anybody have any knowledge on the subject?[/quote]

the only concern i see would be spiking insulin (via leucine) then having a fat heavy meal.

i usually sip BCAA’s and/or leucine during or as an immediate PWO then have a scoop of whey 20 mins later and dont start eating fats for another 40 mins or so - time it takes to cook/do what ever

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I don’t exactly understand why insulin and fats don’t mix. I know they have an inverse relationship as far as fat burning is concerned. But i have yet to hear someone explain why leucine and fat don’t mix. Seems like someone sees a smart person say it then they themselves preach it.

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I take lots of MAG-10 and it has Leucine in it and my post-workout meal usually just includes a few eggs, chesse, and canola oil. It seems to be working so far. I also pulse MAG-10 throughout the day.

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[quote]RyFry wrote:
I don’t exactly understand why insulin and fats don’t mix. I know they have an inverse relationship as far as fat burning is concerned. But i have yet to hear someone explain why leucine and fat don’t mix. Seems like someone sees a smart person say it then they themselves preach it. [/quote]

lol i am preaching something bc BBB made a point and i thought it made sense?

do you really not see the logic?

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I’m not trying to be a dick, and yeah I saw the bbb post in bcaa mega dose. I see Bill Roberts and CT say the same thing when they used to be active in the forums I don’t really understand why. I know it is bad, I would just like to know why.

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[quote]RyFry wrote:
I’m not trying to be a dick, and yeah I saw the bbb post in bcaa mega dose. I see Bill Roberts and CT say the same thing when they used to be active in the forums I don’t really understand why. I know it is bad, I would just like to know why.[/quote]

insulin is a storage hormone. sends nutrients to muscle AND fat cells. so with elevated insulin, from leucine, the protein will be sent to muscle cells but it will also be that much easier for fat in the blood stream to be stored in fat cells

think of it like ice cream (high carb, high fat)… the sugars elevate insulin and the fat in the blood stream can be converted to adipose

until BBB said something i thought the insulin spike from leucine wasnt too significant… thats why i changed up what i was doing

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Thanks for clearing that up. Thats what I was thinking. I didn’t know if insulin stored nutrients in fat cells or in muscle cells or some sort of other cell. Leucine doesn’t have a significantly high insulin spike though. It’s nothing compared to that of carbs which cause a bi-phasic insuline response.-From Bill Roberts. How could one incorporate leucine into AD? I’m going to do a leangains take on ad and fast for 16hrs. Should I take leucine during the the fast and periworkout minus fats?

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Question: My buddy is thinking of trying the AD not so much for cutting and all that but just for the mass gains and the lifestyle. Now my question is this, he is a large boy and like I said doesn’t care about his looks in a BB sort of way just wants mass. So on the carb ups how will he know when he smooths out if he is not smooth now? lol

Or should he just not worry about it and do the 48 hour carb up then back to normal on Monday and when he hits his target weight then cut down?

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I think he shouldn’t worry about “smoothing out” on his carb loads. If he starts gaining a large amount of fat, then simply back down on the carb ups some. From what I’ve seen, you will “know” when you’re done on a carb up. It’s a very individual thing though. His best bet is to start experimenting with different variables on the load till he finds what works for him. They’ve had guys hit 10k each day of the carb up and have success… Then again some can’t handle a third of that.

Do something, observe, adjust … Repeat

Best of luck
J K

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[quote]James Keeton wrote:
I think he shouldn’t worry about “smoothing out” on his carb loads. If he starts gaining a large amount of fat, then simply back down on the carb ups some. From what I’ve seen, you will “know” when you’re done on a carb up. It’s a very individual thing though. His best bet is to start experimenting with different variables on the load till he finds what works for him. They’ve had guys hit 10k each day of the carb up and have success… Then again some can’t handle a third of that.

Yes again that is what I was thinking but figured I would ask you. He is going with the fact that even with extra fat gain you gain muscle and with this diet it is so easy to drop the fat later on and keep the mass.

Even myself, I know what my BF usually is like “Off Season” so as mine goes up (not that it has yet lol) I’m not stressing about it because it because its still a long long ways away from my normal level this time of year so all is good.

Right now I’m at a sticking point with my squat so I’m hoping the extra mass breaks this wall I keep knocking at.

Question: on the mid-week carb up is it (and I guess I could read in my new book that just arrived today (: - so happy to finally have a real copy of the AD) just one hour of fast carbs or also a set amount of grams and/or cals? Funny thing is I did a fast carb up yesterday and today I weigh less than I did before.

Truth be know I’m experimenting with the mid-week carb up and so far have not notice anything of improvement so I might scrap it if I don’t see or feel something soon. But my body loves to burn fat I will say that.

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Oh and one more thing . . . speaking about extreme variances I think I just might be one of those few because I have found that on my carb ups if I don’t have my Super Shakes all weekend long along with my tub of potato salad I’m flat all week long, , , if anyone one thinks they can do this diet without logging everything they are very, very wrong!

I have always enjoyed experimenting with my diets and I was so very sick of the norm that this AD is like a breath of fresh air and motivation.

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As far as mid week carb ups go, I wouldn’t start doing them untill you’re very fat adapted (months into the diet).

I’m with you the keeping of a log. Atleast in the first few months. It just makes tuning easier.

J K

Ps: Keep everyone updated on you and your friends progress!

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After reading a few posts here it seems that MAG-10 dosing might not be a very good idea because of the Leucine. Any thoughts?

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[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
After reading a few posts here it seems that MAG-10 dosing might not be a very good idea because of the Leucine. Any thoughts?[/quote]

no leucine is fine.

BBB confirmed in the other thread that leucine only slight raises insulin.

he said something like when you combine leucine with carbs it has a combined effect

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
After reading a few posts here it seems that MAG-10 dosing might not be a very good idea because of the Leucine. Any thoughts?[/quote]

no leucine is fine.

BBB confirmed in the other thread that leucine only slight raises insulin.

he said something like when you combine leucine with carbs it has a combined effect[/quote]

Okay, that makes sense.

Has anybody tried Anaconda minus Surge WF while doing AD? I was thinking about hopping back on Creatine and since it has it in there I thought I would just try that instead of MAG-10. Not sure though, I do like pulsing MAG-10 throughout the day.

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[quote]James Keeton wrote:
As far as mid week carb ups go, I wouldn’t start doing them untill you’re very fat adapted (months into the diet).

I’m with you the keeping of a log. Atleast in the first few months. It just makes tuning easier.

J Keeton

Ps: Keep everyone updated on you and your friends progress![/quote]

Thanks bud and will do . . as for my mass buddy I don’t expect much as he really can’t follow anything for very long even the ah . . hmmm . .extra stuff he takes he screws up! . . Now the one who I now call Sauce Man he will pull it off and is already seeing results (no kidding!!) now that he is not making the chicken wing sauce mistake.

As for me it was a mentally trying week and I think I might have lost the pound I gained from last week but we will see on the official weigh in tomorrow . . oh well it happens but as long as you are in control of YOUR life at ALL times then your doing better than most.

Now, I hope I’m not burning any bridges here or stepping on any toes but its just a question and an observation . . . there are millions of products on the market but the only name drops people do are the sponsors of this site. I’m sure they are great products but just wondering if talking about another brand is a forum NO-NO.

Attached is a typical day on my diet, any feedback? . . now I’m sure you will be able to figure it out as I just copied it from an app on my phone but some of the stuff is in oz not cups lol. but I think I edited them all out but running out of time as I’m off to work.

Your Food Diary For:

Thursday August 11, 2011
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Fiber

Masteo - Extra Virgin Olive Oil, 0.1tbsp 130 0 14 0 0
Our Complements - Pork Shoulder, 3 oz 120 2 7 13 0
Lactantia - Whipping Cream, 2 tbsp 100 0 10 1 0
Whey Max - Shake / flax oil, 1 tbsp 250 4 16 25 0
Grey Ridge - Ex. Lg. Egg, 2 160 2 18 14 0

Quick Tools 760 8 65 53 0
Lunch
Sensations - Pure Beef Burgers, 1 360 0 28 26 0
Black Diamond - Cheddar cheese (old), 60 g 240 2 20 14 0
Masteo - Extra Virgin Olive Oil, 0.1 tbsp 130 0 14 0 0
Great Value - Mixed Vegetables, 1/2 cup 50 10 0 2 3

Add Food Quick Tools 780 12 62 42 3
Dinner
Complements - Mild Italian Sausage, 1 220 0 16 17 0
Black Diamond - Cheddar cheese (old), 60 g 240 2 20 14 0
Masteo - Extra Virgin Olive Oil, 0.1 tsbs 130 0 14 0 0
Great Value - Mixed Vegetables, 1/2 cup 50 10 0 2 3
Sobey’s - Chicken thigh, 5.8 oz 306 0 19 31 0

Add Food Quick Tools 946 12 69 64 3
Snacks
Hellman’s Real - Mayonnaise, 3 tbsp 300 0 30 0 0
Brunswick - Sardines in soya oil, 1 can 150 0 9 14 0
Black Diamond - Cheddar cheese (old), 60 g 240 2 20 14 0
Masteo - Extra Virgin Olive Oil, 0.1 tbsp 130 0 14 0 0
Lactantia - Whipping Cream, 2 tbsp 100 0 10 1 0
Whey Max - Shake / flax oil, 1 tbsp 250 4 16 25 0
Add Food Quick Tools 1,170 6 99 54 0

Totals 3,656 38 295 213 6

GRRRRRRRR! OK I’m have run out of time and I can’t get everything to line up so screw it lol but I think you can get the gist of it . . any feedback? . . so far it has been working for me (:

PS on a side note just for the record most days I’m at 28 grams for the carbs but figures the one I paste is just over - the fiber lol

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[quote]James Keeton wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Been slakin the last 2 weeks. Not so good on the old AD or weight program. Im going to re-boot with the 12 day start up at 15x norm bodyweight. Probably do high intensity conditioning work W-W-F & 5-3-1 Program M-TH… Been eating too much crap and goofin off at pool w kids time to get back at it. Any of yall ever try something besides Ad for shedding fat fast[/quote]

Look into Rob Faigins Natural Hormone Enhancement. It has alot of the same AD concepts. I’ve never tried it bit I’ve heard that it works faster than AD.

J. Keeton[/quote]

Rob Faigan suggests a breaking-in period of seven days versus the twelve day long AD induction phase.
RF’s guidelines are stricter but quicker than Dr. Mauro’s. The difference is minimal, but significant: NHE has you below 20g of carbs per day for a week before carbs ups; the AD has you below 30g of carbs for twelve days.

This is a perfectly feasible short cut through the adaptation phase if you can handle the lower carbs. I wish I knew about it when I did my first adaptation phase, because I did the full twelve days of the AD under 20g of carbs.

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[quote]RyFry wrote:
How could one incorporate leucine into AD? I’m going to do a leangains take on ad and fast for 16hrs. Should I take leucine during the the fast and periworkout minus fats?[/quote]

I started the AD about a month ago, and included the IF schedule for eating last week and am utilizing ‘fasted’ workouts.

Thus far I’ve been including 10g EAA (humapro brand) preworkout… However, after reading what BBB had to say in the ‘bcaa megadosing’ thread, I’m going to switch it to:

10g leucine 20min before my workout
10g EAA 5 min before my workout

Then lift

5g leucine
15 min LISS
5g EAA

Then a P+F meal about 30-120 minutes later, depending on my fasting schedule.

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Since I’ve gotten use to lifting on low-carb days without Surge Workout Fuel I’m trying to figure out what I’m going to do with my newly opened tub. I’m thinking about the effect it’s suppose to have and am thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to pulse some on the carb-up days. If carb-up days are to help recover by increasing insulin a little to get nutrients back into the muscles, perhaps Surge Workout Fuel would help the process? Thoughts?

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@Quadzilla: Reading that post made me hungrey! Keep up the good work. I need to go find some pure beef burgers and a shoulder of pork!