I am eating clean for over 2 years now and I am not fat. Hope i will be able to control this …
[quote]Bend wrote:
I am eating clean for over 2 years now and I am not fat. Hope i will be able to control this …[/quote]
“Clean” has nothing to do with it. If you weigh 250 pounds and go from eating 600g of carbs a day to 20g you are going to have a massive weight change, it is to be expected.
It you are 168 pounds and eating 150g a days and go to 20g, its probably not going to be as drastic, but it will be unusual the first week. Like maybe 5-6 pounds or something.
Also, when did you weigh yourself? In the morning, after taking a piss? You can have a huge (3-4 pound) weight difference just between the night and the morning.
This is why most people say to avoid the scale except for weekly weigh ins under the same conditions. I usually weigh in the day of my carb load, in the morning, after urinating. This gives me my “true weight” as there is no glycogen/water/food weight issues to take into account. It can be “fun” to weigh yourself after your carb load, but its an artificially high number because of the effect of the carbs.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Just a note here. After years of experimentation and learning my body/psychology… I am back to the Anabolic Diet.
I am going to be running it SLIGHTLY modified (I can detail if anyone gives a rats ass. Its basically going to be Chaos and Pain/Jamie Lewis “Apex Predator Diet”), but I hope to be back here in 6 months with some good results.
Again, if anyone cares I can post before pics, and come back in a while with some Afters. I’m currently using it to cut some fat, so the before pics should be nice and lean.[/quote]
Please do.
Very well, I’ll post my 4 week cut results next weekend, and then I’ll document my stuff here every 6 months or so. Looking forward to returning to my favorite way of eating.
Day 11 on the anabolic diet. Still haven’t gone through the metabolic shift, yet I’ve consistently left my carbs under 20 g per day and fats as about 60% of my daily calories. My question is: assuming I don’t undergo the metabolic shift by saturday, should I do the carb refeed? Also of note, I have not experienced any of the negative effects of low carbs, though I still am full of energy, satiated, and slightly leaner.
[quote]Rolo9128 wrote:
Day 11 on the anabolic diet. Still haven’t gone through the metabolic shift, yet I’ve consistently left my carbs under 20 g per day and fats as about 60% of my daily calories. My question is: assuming I don’t undergo the metabolic shift by saturday, should I do the carb refeed? Also of note, I have not experienced any of the negative effects of low carbs, though I still am full of energy, satiated, and slightly leaner.[/quote]
Couple of Q’s
-How are you coming to the conclusion you havent made the shift?
-What has your weight been like? How about gym performance?
-How fat were you when you started? If you started FAT, go ahead and blast out another week or two even before the refeed. Fat people don’t need to refeed… They’ve been doing that for the last few years. After 4 weeks you can carb up, but weekly refeeds aren’t necessary if you are overfat.
-I have neither experienced the distinctive breath or the ammonia smelling sweat.
-My weight has stayed consistent, at about 180 lbs in the mornings. Gym performance has improved, too.
-I’m not as fat as you may be implying. A 3 point caliper test yielded a result of 16% bodyfat. I don’t know if you consider that as fat.
Thanks for your help, btw.
[quote]Rolo9128 wrote:
-I have neither experienced the distinctive breath or the ammonia smelling sweat.
-My weight has stayed consistent, at about 180 lbs in the mornings. Gym performance has improved, too.
-I’m not as fat as you may be implying. A 3 point caliper test yielded a result of 16% bodyfat. I don’t know if you consider that as fat.
Thanks for your help, btw.[/quote]
Naw, that’s not fat at all… I was just giving some general advice that applies on a spectrum (less fat = less weight loss, more fat = more weight loss)
Have the calipers changed at all since the beginning of the diet? If the measurements are favorable, it sounds like everything is going well if your body weight remains the same, gym performance is UP, and your fat is down… Thats the best of all possible scenarios.
If you are in a deficit, go ahead and hit the carb up. It will speed the metabolism for the coming week. In the long run it wont matter at all if you waited 2 or 3 weeks to do the carb up, just start establishing good habits. Just make a decision to wait a week or carb up this week and take action, dont worry about it.
The smell of the sweat, positive keto stick readings, etc… are only “indicators” and not all people experience these symptoms, so dont sweat it if you arent getting any of these signs.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]Rolo9128 wrote:
-I have neither experienced the distinctive breath or the ammonia smelling sweat.
-My weight has stayed consistent, at about 180 lbs in the mornings. Gym performance has improved, too.
-I’m not as fat as you may be implying. A 3 point caliper test yielded a result of 16% bodyfat. I don’t know if you consider that as fat.
Thanks for your help, btw.[/quote]
Naw, that’s not fat at all… I was just giving some general advice that applies on a spectrum (less fat = less weight loss, more fat = more weight loss)
Have the calipers changed at all since the beginning of the diet? If the measurements are favorable, it sounds like everything is going well if your body weight remains the same, gym performance is UP, and your fat is down… Thats the best of all possible scenarios.
If you are in a deficit, go ahead and hit the carb up. It will speed the metabolism for the coming week. In the long run it wont matter at all if you waited 2 or 3 weeks to do the carb up, just start establishing good habits. Just make a decision to wait a week or carb up this week and take action, dont worry about it.
The smell of the sweat, positive keto stick readings, etc… are only “indicators” and not all people experience these symptoms, so dont sweat it if you arent getting any of these signs.[/quote]
Alright man, thanks for your advice. I just got so attached to this idea that everyone experiences this “ketogenic symptoms” that I was worried I hadn’t. I’m on a caloric surplus, so I think I’ll wait one more week, just to be sure. Again, thanks man.
Yeah, if you are in a surplus you could easily be holding weight so that isnt a reliable indicator any more either.
If you arent completely miserable and hating life, I say you are making the right move waiting one more week. Low carbing kicks ass really… Many people come to hate their carb up days. I personally only do one day myself at this time.
Yeah, I actually am really enjoying this way of eating so far. I feel better throughout the day, and rarely find myself feeling hungry, even though sometimes I go up to 6 hours without eating anything due to class. I don’t find myself craving carbs either… Except for some Ben and Jerry’s lol
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]Bend wrote:
I am eating clean for over 2 years now and I am not fat. Hope i will be able to control this …[/quote]
“Clean” has nothing to do with it. If you weigh 250 pounds and go from eating 600g of carbs a day to 20g you are going to have a massive weight change, it is to be expected.
It you are 168 pounds and eating 150g a days and go to 20g, its probably not going to be as drastic, but it will be unusual the first week. Like maybe 5-6 pounds or something.
Also, when did you weigh yourself? In the morning, after taking a piss? You can have a huge (3-4 pound) weight difference just between the night and the morning.
This is why most people say to avoid the scale except for weekly weigh ins under the same conditions. I usually weigh in the day of my carb load, in the morning, after urinating. This gives me my “true weight” as there is no glycogen/water/food weight issues to take into account. It can be “fun” to weigh yourself after your carb load, but its an artificially high number because of the effect of the carbs.[/quote]
I weighted myself when I always do, after training. Maybe I just have less water in my body, I look a bit more cut than before.
I went from 300g of carbs to this.
Bend, are you weighing yourself after training because the gym is at the scale?
If you want it to be accurate, its best to do it as I mentioned above (the day of the carb up, first thing in the morning after you pee).
But the weekly weight isnt all that important as it can be affected by a number of things. Just keep on keepin on and you will get to where you want to be. Make adjustments in a month after your body has had time to dump its glycogen and convert over the a keto metabolism
Ok bro, thank you for the advices. I hope the brain fog will go away soon …
Anabolic Diet = Winning. Here is how I used my carb up this week during my cutting phase.
I had an early thanksgiving dinner this week with my family, and then went out to dinner with a couple of my friends where I proceeding to dominate the plate…
Its just awesome to be “on a diet,” nearly full abs, quad separation, and eating EVERYTHING in sight… And then being even leaner 2-3 days later.
“Mom, these Yams aren’t candied enough! Are you trying to blow my diet!?”
I fucking love this diet.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
After years of experimentation and learning my body/psychology… I am back to the Anabolic Diet.
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what made you go back to the AD?
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
After years of experimentation and learning my body/psychology… I am back to the Anabolic Diet.
[/quote]
what made you go back to the AD?[/quote]
Its really more like why do I ever STOP doing to the diet. I get stronger on it, and I can stay lean on it. Its taken me 10 years to get this knowledge though, I have experimented A LOT and come to this conclusion.
I have just learned its really the best diet for me. Every time I veer away from it I do this weird thing called “getting fat” … So now I need to be smart and stay on it.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
After years of experimentation and learning my body/psychology… I am back to the Anabolic Diet.
[/quote]
what made you go back to the AD?[/quote]
Its really more like why do I ever STOP doing to the diet. I get stronger on it, and I can stay lean on it. Its taken me 10 years to get this knowledge though, I have experimented A LOT and come to this conclusion.
I have just learned its really the best diet for me. Every time I veer away from it I do this weird thing called “getting fat” … So now I need to be smart and stay on it.
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lol i hear you man. ive experimented with every single diet under the sun. low fat high carb, pre workout carbs, carb backloading, only pre and post carbs, only post and post post carbs, only carbs at breakfast, VEGAN…and i keep coming back to the anabolic diet because i get fat eating carbs.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
After years of experimentation and learning my body/psychology… I am back to the Anabolic Diet.
[/quote]
what made you go back to the AD?[/quote]
Its really more like why do I ever STOP doing to the diet. I get stronger on it, and I can stay lean on it. Its taken me 10 years to get this knowledge though, I have experimented A LOT and come to this conclusion.
I have just learned its really the best diet for me. Every time I veer away from it I do this weird thing called “getting fat” … So now I need to be smart and stay on it.
[/quote]
lol i hear you man. ive experimented with every single diet under the sun. low fat high carb, pre workout carbs, carb backloading, only pre and post carbs, only post and post post carbs, only carbs at breakfast, VEGAN…and i keep coming back to the anabolic diet because i get fat eating carbs.[/quote]
Yeah, same here. It took a long time, but every “failure” has lead me back here, so its all been worth it. Luckily its so damn easy and simple to get SHREDDED on this diet that any and all fat gain can basically be nuked in a few weeks.
Plus that carb up is just so fun
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
After years of experimentation and learning my body/psychology… I am back to the Anabolic Diet.
[/quote]
what made you go back to the AD?[/quote]
Its really more like why do I ever STOP doing to the diet. I get stronger on it, and I can stay lean on it. Its taken me 10 years to get this knowledge though, I have experimented A LOT and come to this conclusion.
I have just learned its really the best diet for me. Every time I veer away from it I do this weird thing called “getting fat” … So now I need to be smart and stay on it.
[/quote]
lol i hear you man. ive experimented with every single diet under the sun. low fat high carb, pre workout carbs, carb backloading, only pre and post carbs, only post and post post carbs, only carbs at breakfast, VEGAN…and i keep coming back to the anabolic diet because i get fat eating carbs.[/quote]
Yeah, same here. It took a long time, but every “failure” has lead me back here, so its all been worth it. Luckily its so damn easy and simple to get SHREDDED on this diet that any and all fat gain can basically be nuked in a few weeks.
Plus that carb up is just so fun
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what quality of meats do you use when youre on the AD? do you include dirtier foods like sausage, pepperoni, bacon…or do you stick to the cleaner cuts like steak, chicken, porkchops, turkey, etc?