An Introduction and a Question

[quote]florelius wrote:
if you can do frontsquat, you can do deadlifts.

the most easy thing to do is to follow a program made by people with experience.

my cousin who is a senior powerlifter, gave me the 5/3/1 book. he train by these principles himself.

its alot of info about the 5/3/1 on this site, or you can just by the book.

or you can use the program bricnyse made for you.

btw I think your setup looks ok, but maybe the more experienced guys should look at it.

good luck :)[/quote]

Thanks for the post.

I don’t know if those workouts target his weaknesses though. I just posted them for examples.

5/3/1 is a good book, but it’s not a BODYBUILDING book; it’s a general strength training book.

This guy has to decide what he wants - bodybuilding or strength training. The most efficient and quickest way to get jacked is with a bodybuilding program. Of course you can get big with a strength training program. Does Jim Wendler look small? NOPE! But he doesn’t look like a bodybuilder.

Jason:

That’s more like it for biceps, but I still think rope and drag curls are shit for someone starting out who is desperate for muscle mass. If they work for you, do them. I believe–this is just me though; I don’t tell people what to do–that there are better secondary and tertiary exercises out there for the bis: incline dumbbell curls, concentration curls, machine curls, standing dumbbell curls.

You didn’t list close-grip bench presses as one of your triceps exercises. You listed dumbbell bench presses with elbows in. Close-grip bench presses coupled with two secondary and/or tertiary exercises is a great setup.

What do you mean by “alternating” barbell and cable rows? Supersetting? Or using one for a few weeks or months and then switching to the other likewise?

Dumbbell and machine pullovers and straight-arm pulldowns are isolation exercises for the lats and upper back.

Cable and dumbbell lateral raises are a near-necessity for bodybuilders.

I just suggested rear delt raises for back day because it works nicely on that day because, after all, you work your rear delts with every lat and upper-back exercise; there is almost no rear delt activation with lateral raises and overhead presses.

I’ve never seen ONE famous and successful bodybuilder use high pulls while following their BODYBUILDING routines. It’s not meant for high reps (>6) and would have to be done at the beginning of a workout that had “slower”, less explosive exercises. And are you referring to a REAL high pull done from the floor, or some bastardized version - like an upright row with a lot of “body English”?

Use a close-grip barbell bench press for your triceps, not a close-grip dumbbell press.

You have two vertical-pull (chins and pulldowns) exercises and only one row. Add another rowing exercise. I personally would ditch one of the vertical-pull exercises and add in stiff-arm pulldowns or machine pullovers, as you have not one isolation exercise for the back.

Add in more quad exercises when your knee gets better. Why did you ditch stiff-legged deadlifts. You can do all three exercises - GHRs, stiff-legged deadlifts, and leg curls. That’s one primary exercise, one secondary, and one tertiary.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
if you can do frontsquat, you can do deadlifts.

the most easy thing to do is to follow a program made by people with experience.

my cousin who is a senior powerlifter, gave me the 5/3/1 book. he train by these principles himself.

its alot of info about the 5/3/1 on this site, or you can just by the book.

or you can use the program bricnyse made for you.

btw I think your setup looks ok, but maybe the more experienced guys should look at it.

good luck :)[/quote]

Thanks for the post.

I don’t know if those workouts target his weaknesses though. I just posted them for examples.

5/3/1 is a good book, but it’s not a BODYBUILDING book; it’s a general strength training book.

This guy has to decide what he wants - bodybuilding or strength training. The most efficient and quickest way to get jacked is with a bodybuilding program. Of course you can get big with a strength training program. Does Jim Wendler look small? NOPE! But he doesn’t look like a bodybuilder. [/quote]

I agree, thats why I gave him to alternatives, a split based on your example of a bodypart split if hes goal is aimed toward BB, or 5,3,1 if hes goal is more general ( strong and big ). this guys goal ( 200lb with lower bf % ) is actually two goals, so he must make up he`s minde if he wants to build first or if he wants to cut first.

Thanks dude! There is a lot of meat in this post. I’m going to stop speculating at this point, I think with the advice from this thread I’ll have something good to work with when I’m ready to move on.

In regards to goals, I’m currently working my calorie intake upwards. I want to see what I can gain over the next four months or so before I worry any more about bf% etc.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Jason:

That’s more like it for biceps, but I still think rope and drag curls are shit for someone starting out who is desperate for muscle mass. If they work for you, do them. I believe–this is just me though; I don’t tell people what to do–that there are better secondary and tertiary exercises out there for the bis: incline dumbbell curls, concentration curls, machine curls, standing dumbbell curls.

You didn’t list close-grip bench presses as one of your triceps exercises. You listed dumbbell bench presses with elbows in. Close-grip bench presses coupled with two secondary and/or tertiary exercises is a great setup.

What do you mean by “alternating” barbell and cable rows? Supersetting? Or using one for a few weeks or months and then switching to the other likewise?

Dumbbell and machine pullovers and straight-arm pulldowns are isolation exercises for the lats and upper back.

Cable and dumbbell lateral raises are a near-necessity for bodybuilders.

I just suggested rear delt raises for back day because it works nicely on that day because, after all, you work your rear delts with every lat and upper-back exercise; there is almost no rear delt activation with lateral raises and overhead presses.

I’ve never seen ONE famous and successful bodybuilder use high pulls while following their BODYBUILDING routines. It’s not meant for high reps (>6) and would have to be done at the beginning of a workout that had “slower”, less explosive exercises. And are you referring to a REAL high pull done from the floor, or some bastardized version - like an upright row with a lot of “body English”?

Use a close-grip barbell bench press for your triceps, not a close-grip dumbbell press.

You have two vertical-pull (chins and pulldowns) exercises and only one row. Add another rowing exercise. I personally would ditch one of the vertical-pull exercises and add in stiff-arm pulldowns or machine pullovers, as you have not one isolation exercise for the back.

Add in more quad exercises when your knee gets better. Why did you ditch stiff-legged deadlifts. You can do all three exercises - GHRs, stiff-legged deadlifts, and leg curls. That’s one primary exercise, one secondary, and one tertiary. [/quote]

Brick knows his shit… So you got to try what he said and gauge what works best for you. I also mentioned about a main tri movement. close grip db press just isn’t going to cut it. look to the smith machine man, or try close grip press off the pins in the power rack (try and see if your shoulders do fine with it)

I think for the barbell rows he was thinking about going heavy I imagine blasting up to 6-8 reps or something and then using the low cable rows for some high rep work.

Whatever back thickness exercises I do…I always pick one all out set of 6-8 reps and another one going up to 12-15 reps.:slight_smile:

[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
Brick knows his shit… So you got to try what he said and gauge what works best for you. I also mentioned about a main tri movement. close grip db press just isn’t going to cut it. look to the smith machine man, or try close grip press off the pins in the power rack (try and see if your shoulders do fine with it)

I think for the barbell rows he was thinking about going heavy I imagine blasting up to 6-8 reps or something and then using the low cable rows for some high rep work.

Whatever back thickness exercises I do…I always pick one all out set of 6-8 reps and another one going up to 12-15 reps.:)[/quote]

Thanks!

And you’re right - close- or medium grip bench press lockouts are great for the tris! Just make sure to REALLY tense your WHOLE damn body when you do them. Otherwise you WILL have a shoulder, elbow, or wrist problem. The problem with those is that people don’t slowly build tension in the upper and lower body before starting the press. CT had PERFECT form in one of his experimental arm workout videos in this exercise.

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
if you can do frontsquat, you can do deadlifts.

the most easy thing to do is to follow a program made by people with experience.

my cousin who is a senior powerlifter, gave me the 5/3/1 book. he train by these principles himself.

its alot of info about the 5/3/1 on this site, or you can just by the book.

or you can use the program bricnyse made for you.

btw I think your setup looks ok, but maybe the more experienced guys should look at it.

good luck :)[/quote]

Thanks for the post.

I don’t know if those workouts target his weaknesses though. I just posted them for examples.

5/3/1 is a good book, but it’s not a BODYBUILDING book; it’s a general strength training book.

This guy has to decide what he wants - bodybuilding or strength training. The most efficient and quickest way to get jacked is with a bodybuilding program. Of course you can get big with a strength training program. Does Jim Wendler look small? NOPE! But he doesn’t look like a bodybuilder. [/quote]

I agree, thats why I gave him to alternatives, a split based on your example of a bodypart split if hes goal is aimed toward BB, or 5,3,1 if hes goal is more general ( strong and big ). this guys goal ( 200lb with lower bf % ) is actually two goals, so he must make up he`s minde if he wants to build first or if he wants to cut first.

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Good post. But I don’t think the guy has two conflicting goals. In order to get really big, he has to pass 200 pounds at some point, irregardless of bodyfat. A natural guy might have to reach 220, a little soft, to get back down to 200 ripped. Seems like one goal to me - a bodybuilding goal.

thanks.

as a total goal its not conflicting, and he`s plan is to pack on size first.
when I read his first post its sounded a bit like " I want to be ripped and huge i one go", luckily I read it wrong and jasonj wants to be big before he go after the low bf %

I back down now, and let you help him out because you are more experienced and have more knowledge about BB than me. and conflicting advice is as bad as conflicting goals. keep up the good work brick.

good luck jasonj :slight_smile:

Flor:

Thanks!

I don’t mind. I don’t rule this board, nor am I the be-all expert. There are far more experienced and involved guys on here. I don’t even train like a bodybuilder anymore, but believe I know my shit for over a decade of doing it. I just train for fitness now.