An Apology From A Bush Voter

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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Thought I’d share and stir the pot.

http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning

[i]AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER
By Doug McIntyre
Host, McIntyre in the Morning
Talk Radio 790 KABC

There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period…[/i]

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Just another UseToBe…so what?

Republican voters just finally realized that Bush is not a conservative in any way shape or form.

NEWS FLASH!

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The accusation in the letter is not that he is not conservative, it’s that he is not competent.

Both, however, are true.

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[quote]A
There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen.

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Are you serious??? When did Clinton admit he was wrong? “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”. That was his sworn testimony to a grand jury. He was sorry he got caught, that’s all. He’s a freakin’ felon and should be in jail. And don’t give me “Bush used illegal wiretaps” weak-assed shit. Show me a law that says surveilance of suspected criminals is illegal. I believe that once the pussy liberal democrats loose another election in 08 we will truly see the wisdom of his leadership. Too much absolute hatred misdirected at the man.

And if you are blaming gas prices on the President then you are petty and stupid. Did you see the interview with the Exxon executive who said gas is expensive because the market will bear it and that Exxon has investors to look out for? Basically, he’s saying gas is so expensive bacause dumb-asses like us will pay for it. And don’t give me the whole Iraq thing. I’m active duty military and support the President. We all volunteered to do what we are doing.

You can’t support the troops without supporting the mission and the President. Going to war for natural resources is perfectly legitimate (which wasn’t even the primary concern). Your ass is sitting at home warm and comfortable and safe because of the President. You don’t have to like everything he does. If you knew anything about leadership, you’d know that sometimes a leader has to make tough decisions that are unpopular. You will never go far in life if you are a man-pleaser.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Thought I’d share and stir the pot.

http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning

[i]AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER
By Doug McIntyre
Host, McIntyre in the Morning
Talk Radio 790 KABC

There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period…[/i]

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While we are stated what a bad president Bush is, we should also be thinking about how ANY president would have done with the shit that has happened during Bush’s two terms. What other president has had to deal with a major terrorist attack on US soil and a major hurricane/natural disaster?

It is easy to sit back and say he is doing a bad job, but keep in mind what the issues were/are that he is dealing with and compare them to other presidents. Then, you might come close to having a realistic view of whether Bush is an effective president or not.

Comparing Clinton to Bush, or even mentioning his name in this context is asinine. The major issues Clinton had to deal with were predominately CLINTON! His problem was himself. And for the record, what his did was not a “private life” issue. He did it in his office on our time.

So if you want to compare presidents compare Bush with another president who had to deal with more than getting a helmet wash in the oval office!

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Thought I’d share and stir the pot.

http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning

[i]AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER
By Doug McIntyre
Host, McIntyre in the Morning
Talk Radio 790 KABC

There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period…[/i]

While we are stated what a bad president Bush is, we should also be thinking about how ANY president would have done with the shit that has happened during Bush’s two terms. What other president has had to deal with a major terrorist attack on US soil and a major hurricane/natural disaster?

It is easy to sit back and say he is doing a bad job, but keep in mind what the issues were/are that he is dealing with and compare them to other presidents. Then, you might come close to having a realistic view of whether Bush is an effective president or not.

Comparing Clinton to Bush, or even mentioning his name in this context is asinine. The major issues Clinton had to deal with were predominately CLINTON! His problem was himself. And for the record, what his did was not a “private life” issue. He did it in his office on our time.

So if you want to compare presidents compare Bush with another president who had to deal with more than getting a helmet wash in the oval office!
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Sure. Let’s compare Bush to other presidents who had to deal with crises both man-made and natural in their tenure.

Lincoln.

Roosevelt.

How does Dubya stack up?

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Have we been attacked since 9/11? No!

Has Bush tried his best to protect us from foreign terrorists no matter where they are? Yes!

Has he done everything right? No!

Has he been conservative in his spending? No!

Has he been right in his not enforcing immigration law? No!

Does that make him one of the worst presidents? I think not!

Who cares where he is in terms of popularity? The fact of the matter is that we have not been attacked since 9/11 and we are fighting the good fight to stop the terrorists from whence they are.

I would much rather have a true conservative that would stick to his guns. Oh, we need another Reagan!

Anyway, until you libs can give what YOUR plan to protect America, all you can do is your shrill Hillary-like screaming about how bad Bush is. What is the Democrats solution to all of this? You have no plan other than to attack Bush, which is no plan that I am comfortable with.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Oh, we need another Reagan![/quote]

LOL Who didn’t see this one coming? :slight_smile:

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Has Bush tried his best to protect us from foreign terrorists no matter where they are? Yes![/quote]

“John Mason: Your best! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.”
– The Rock (1996)

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Has he been conservative in his spending? No!

[…]

Oh, we need another Reagan![/quote]

…which, coincidentally, effectively doubled our public debt from 30% of the GDP all the way up to 60% of the GDP during his two terms.

Yeah, he was REALLY conservative in his spending too…

It never ceases to amaze me the way how people romanticize Reagan’s terms… These days, I don’t even bother to point out his many shortcomings anymore – even though he was a prime example of looking good instead of doing good – and there are PLENTY of shortcomings to point – it’s like criticizing him is some form of blasphemy.

What people don’t realize is that by ignoring his mistakes, we are just bound to make them again…

My recommendation is that you stop idolizing him. I think I read JPBear say that you can incur God’s Wrath by doing that. So if you are true Christian, change your avatar. He was just a man, one with many flaws, one that made a lot of very serious mistakes as president, one that severely mortgaged our kid’s futures.

You don’t see me putting FDR on my avatar, do you?

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Going back to Bush II: I honestly don’t think people really understand how serious his incompetence is.

The short-term consequences of a bad US administration have been reduced over time with the reduction of the administration’s short-term influence in the economy of the country (today, private institutions and companies – from the Federal Reserve to giant Corporations have much more short-term influence than our Government). Because of this, the true consequences of this administration’s borderline criminal incompetence will only be seen in a few decades – and we will only be able to see how bad he was through the benefit of hindsight.

These days, what brings me some solace in all of this is that he was democratically elected and, as such, the majority of Americans deserve everything they have coming their way – either because they voted for him or because they let others make the choice for them.

As for the minority that is not to blame for all of this – well, we can always move back to our ancestor’s lands along with our families; after all, as a truly great president once said, we’re all immigrants, and stating the fact that we didn’t vote for Bush II is probably more than enough for us to be received back with open arms… :wink:

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Thought I’d share and stir the pot.

http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning

[i]AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER
By Doug McIntyre
Host, McIntyre in the Morning
Talk Radio 790 KABC

There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period…[/i]

While we are stated what a bad president Bush is, we should also be thinking about how ANY president would have done with the shit that has happened during Bush’s two terms. What other president has had to deal with a major terrorist attack on US soil and a major hurricane/natural disaster?

It is easy to sit back and say he is doing a bad job, but keep in mind what the issues were/are that he is dealing with and compare them to other presidents. Then, you might come close to having a realistic view of whether Bush is an effective president or not.

Comparing Clinton to Bush, or even mentioning his name in this context is asinine. The major issues Clinton had to deal with were predominately CLINTON! His problem was himself. And for the record, what his did was not a “private life” issue. He did it in his office on our time.

So if you want to compare presidents compare Bush with another president who had to deal with more than getting a helmet wash in the oval office!

Sure. Let’s compare Bush to other presidents who had to deal with crises both man-made and natural in their tenure.

Lincoln.

Roosevelt.

How does Dubya stack up?
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Plese, do this. Lincoln was constantly attacked by slave holding Democrats. They HATED the man because he had a vision for America and stuck to his guns. Remember, the Democratic Party was the slave party. They ruled the south and American politics for generations and were the ones violently opposed to Lincoln and all things Republican. It is amazing how similar the Lincoln and Bush presidencies are. Please, do the research.

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Here’s some scarry thoughts:

What would Gore do?

What would Kerry do?

What would Hillary do?

What would Kennedy do?

What would Dean do?

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What an idiot. I voted for the lesser of the two evils and am not sorry I voted for bush. You could have put a tree stump next to bush in the election and the tree stump would have won, but the democrats chose Kerry, who was apparently worse then a tree stump. I think bush sucks too, but I think kerry would have sucked worse. He acctually promised to suck worse, so what do you do? I highly considered not voting the last time.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Here’s some scarry thoughts:

What would Gore do?

What would Kerry do?

What would Hillary do?

What would Kennedy do?

What would Dean do?[/quote]

Get impeached (with the exception of Dean) by a GOP controlled congress and senate.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
What an idiot. I voted for the lesser of the two evils and am not sorry I voted for bush. You could have put a tree stump next to bush in the election and the tree stump would have won, but the democrats chose Kerry, who was apparently worse then a tree stump. I think bush sucks too, but I think kerry would have sucked worse. He acctually promised to suck worse, so what do you do? I highly considered not voting the last time.[/quote]

Come on, President Bush got more votes in 2004 than ANY other President in history. If you’re looking for the perfect guy to run for President…he/she doesn’t exist and never did. We all have skeletons in the closet. Remember that joint you smoked in 10th grade…now you’re a big druggie when the political spin-machine gets done with you.

Freakin’ Clark Kent could be President and half the country would make him out to be evil. You and I have no idea the pressures the President deals with. His over-riding, A-#1 job is to protect this nation. He has done that, and if it makes gas expensive because he pissed off the Arabs, boo-hoo. So be it. I’ll pay an extra $100 per month in gas if it means screwing the Middle East.

Roosevelt imposed rationing. Can you IMAGINE if President Bush started rationing? We spoiled Americans would loose our minds. My prediction is that President Bush will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history who led the nation through it’s most tubulent times.

Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Washington, and Regan never dealt with 3,000+ dead American civilians and had an entire region of the country virtually wiped off the map. Give the guy a break. He’s #1 on my list of people I’d like to have a beer with. He could use our prayers, not our anger.

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[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Here’s some scarry thoughts:

What would Gore do?

What would Kerry do?

What would Hillary do?

What would Kennedy do?

What would Dean do?

Get impeached (with the exception of Dean) by a GOP controlled congress and senate.
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Are you implying that Clinton’s impeachment for blatantly lying before a federal grand jury was a big GOP political move? MOST people go straight to jail for that.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
What an idiot. I voted for the lesser of the two evils and am not sorry I voted for bush. You could have put a tree stump next to bush in the election and the tree stump would have won, but the democrats chose Kerry, who was apparently worse then a tree stump. I think bush sucks too, but I think kerry would have sucked worse. He acctually promised to suck worse, so what do you do? I highly considered not voting the last time.[/quote]

I don’t know why the Dems don’t understand this.

All they need to do is run a moderate instead of a kook and they would win.

Hell, Clinton pretended to be a moderate and he won easily.

Knowing what I know now I would still have to vote for Bush over Kerry and Gore.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
What an idiot. I voted for the lesser of the two evils and am not sorry I voted for bush. You could have put a tree stump next to bush in the election and the tree stump would have won, but the democrats chose Kerry, who was apparently worse then a tree stump. I think bush sucks too, but I think kerry would have sucked worse. He acctually promised to suck worse, so what do you do? I highly considered not voting the last time.[/quote]

This is true.

And the Dems won’t win by moving left – that will actually excite the Republican base, which may well stay home otherwise.

If the Dems highlight the fact that their party tends to stand for this stuff, they’ll lose again:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_05/008769.php

EXCERPT:

Undo the bankruptcy bill enacted by this administration

Repeal the estate tax repeal

Increase the minimum wage and index it to the CPI

Universal health care (obviously the devil is in the details on this one)

Increase CAFE standards. Some other environment-related regulation

Pro-reproductive rights, getting rid of abstinence-only education, improving education about and access to contraception including the morning after pill, and supporting choice. On the last one there’s probably some disagreement around the edges (parental notification, for example), but otherwise.

Simplify and increase the progressivity of the tax code

Kill faith-based funding. Certainly kill federal funding of anything that engages in religious discrimination.

Reduce corporate giveaways

Have Medicare run the Medicare drug plan

Force companies to stop underfunding their pensions. Change corporate bankruptcy law to put workers and retirees at the head of the line with respect to their pensions.

Leave the states alone on issues like medical marijuana. Generally move towards “more decriminalization” of drugs, though the details complicated there too.

Paper ballots

Improve access to daycare and other pro-family policies. Obiously details matter.

Raise the cap on wages covered by FICA taxes.

Marriage rights for all, which includes “gay marriage” and quicker transition to citizenship for the foreign spouses of citizens.

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I love this thread this morning!

It seems that all the libs are sleeping in this morning? God bless the early bird conservatives. :wink:

As far as the “romanticizing” of Reagan is concerned: Its called legacy. Time creates legends from men who have left their mark on history. Lincoln in the mid-1850’s was considered an oddball radical, FDR was a polio-stricken womanizing warmonger… but history has served them well. I find nothing wrong with hoping for a leader who can bring patriotism and unabashed American pride back into the executive branch.