Amount of Racism in the UK is Appaling!

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Cortes wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

I can’t really speak on Protestant Reformation, as I don’t much about Protestantism, but have never held them in some a high regard. I hold devout Protestants in about the same regard as I hold practicing Muslims.

I’m curious as to what regard it is you hold practicing Muslims, and what you mean by your holding devout Protestants in the same like.

See, as a Catholic myself, I cringe as statements like this. I don’t really have any real problems with any of the other mainstream Protestant religions. I don’t think they are all going to hell. I don’t think they are bad people. And I’ve always been rather flabbergasted when I heard some of the things that “they” believe about “us.”

In all my time attending church, too (nearly every Sunday or Saturday night of my life), I have never once heard a priest talk about how another religion was “wrong” or about how people who don’t believe what we do are going to burn in hell. It would have turned me right off, as a matter of fact. Indeed I’ve (quite recently) heard my priest praising other religions.

Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions.

So…you believe Mohammed is a prophet of God?

Because Muslims sure believe that about Jesus.[/quote]

Can’t say I’d go so far as to say that. No.

Don’t think that logically follows from my statement, either.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
No tax breaks for religions, no considering religious sensibilities when laws are passed etc.

Well, you already tax religious individuals (something my Church doesn’t do to atheists). Now, if you then taxed religious institutions would we have control over where our taxes went? No condoms, abortions, no obscene art funding, sex education funding, etc. Would you close down the coercive secular ‘charity’ organization called the welfare state, so we could be more charitable, locally, through our own organizations, with our own money, without the threat of force?

The secular is far more coercive than the religious. Odd, how that turned out.[/quote]

You choose to live in the US, that is why you get taxed as an individual. I do not choose to be a member of your Church, that is why I don’t have to pay for it. And in theory you do have control over where you taxes get spent. You vote.

And if you want to ensure that your taxes go up, keep campaigning against condoms, abortion and sex education.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
No tax breaks for religions, no considering religious sensibilities when laws are passed etc.

Well, you already tax religious individuals (something my Church doesn’t do to atheists). Now, if you then taxed religious institutions would we have control over where our taxes went? No condoms, abortions, no obscene art funding, sex education funding, etc. Would you close down the coercive secular ‘charity’ organization called the welfare state, so we could be more charitable, locally, through our own organizations, with our own money, without the threat of force?

The secular is far more coercive than the religious. Odd, how that turned out.

You choose to live in the US, that is why you get taxed as an individual. I do not choose to be a member of your Church, that is why I don’t have to pay for it.[/quote] You mean, I have to excommunicate myself from the country?! Or, stay and face possible incarceration?! [quote]And in theory you do have control over where you taxes get spent. You vote.[/quote] No. A tyrannical majority has control over where my money goes. Not me.

The Secular Doctrines shall not be mocked! You will support them with the fruit of thy labor! So sayeth I!

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Cortes wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

I can’t really speak on Protestant Reformation, as I don’t much about Protestantism, but have never held them in some a high regard. I hold devout Protestants in about the same regard as I hold practicing Muslims.

I’m curious as to what regard it is you hold practicing Muslims, and what you mean by your holding devout Protestants in the same like.

See, as a Catholic myself, I cringe as statements like this. I don’t really have any real problems with any of the other mainstream Protestant religions. I don’t think they are all going to hell. I don’t think they are bad people. And I’ve always been rather flabbergasted when I heard some of the things that “they” believe about “us.”

In all my time attending church, too (nearly every Sunday or Saturday night of my life), I have never once heard a priest talk about how another religion was “wrong” or about how people who don’t believe what we do are going to burn in hell. It would have turned me right off, as a matter of fact. Indeed I’ve (quite recently) heard my priest praising other religions.

Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions.

So…you believe Mohammed is a prophet of God?

Because Muslims sure believe that about Jesus.[/quote]

Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last and final prophet of God. Christians say the same thing about Jesus.

Muslims believe that Jesus was merely a man. Christians believe he was the God-man.

Muslims don’t believe Jesus was crucified and resurrected. Christians do.

Muhammad was a man of war. Jesus was a man of peace “wounded for our inequities.”

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
No tax breaks for religions, no considering religious sensibilities when laws are passed etc.

Well, you already tax religious individuals (something my Church doesn’t do to atheists). Now, if you then taxed religious institutions would we have control over where our taxes went? No condoms, abortions, no obscene art funding, sex education funding, etc. Would you close down the coercive secular ‘charity’ organization called the welfare state, so we could be more charitable, locally, through our own organizations, with our own money, without the threat of force?

The secular is far more coercive than the religious. Odd, how that turned out.

You choose to live in the US, that is why you get taxed as an individual. I do not choose to be a member of your Church, that is why I don’t have to pay for it. You mean, I have to excommunicate myself from the country?! Or, stay and face possible incarceration?! And in theory you do have control over where you taxes get spent. You vote. No. A tyrannical majority has control over where my money goes. Not me.

And if you want to ensure that your taxes go up, keep campaigning against condoms, abortion and sex education.

The Secular Doctrines shall not be mocked! You will support them with the fruit of thy labor! So sayeth I!
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I did put ‘in theory’ in italics.

And the point on birth control was more around population.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
lixy wrote:
Cortes wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

I can’t really speak on Protestant Reformation, as I don’t much about Protestantism, but have never held them in some a high regard. I hold devout Protestants in about the same regard as I hold practicing Muslims.

I’m curious as to what regard it is you hold practicing Muslims, and what you mean by your holding devout Protestants in the same like.

See, as a Catholic myself, I cringe as statements like this. I don’t really have any real problems with any of the other mainstream Protestant religions. I don’t think they are all going to hell. I don’t think they are bad people. And I’ve always been rather flabbergasted when I heard some of the things that “they” believe about “us.”

In all my time attending church, too (nearly every Sunday or Saturday night of my life), I have never once heard a priest talk about how another religion was “wrong” or about how people who don’t believe what we do are going to burn in hell. It would have turned me right off, as a matter of fact. Indeed I’ve (quite recently) heard my priest praising other religions.

Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions.

So…you believe Mohammed is a prophet of God

Because Muslims sure believe that about Jesus.

Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last and final prophet of God. Christians say the same thing about Jesus.

Muslims believe that Jesus was merely a man. Christians believe he was the God-man.

Muslims don’t believe Jesus was crucified and resurrected. Christians do.

Muhammad was a man of war. Jesus was a man of peace “wounded for our inequities.”
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The irony is that had the Jewish people got Mohamed when they got Jesus they would have been a lot happier. (if you believe in the actual existence of either.)