Amount of Racism in the UK is Appaling!

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Either that, or some wacked out Protestants strumming some fag guitar with a facefull of tears whining away some one-sided argument about neo-liberal issues that offend him.

I think you’re confusing evangelicals with Protestants. They claim to be Protestant. We claim they’re not. “We” only amounts to about 100,000 people in North America these days. I agree with you, though. The faggotry of evangelicalism is one of the reasons I left it - a big reason. [/quote]

Yeah the description doesn’t hold very well for C of E Protestants.

When you talk about art being inspired by Christianity you are really missing the point. I take it you have not studied art too deeply. A lot of Christian art was only Christian because many of the patrons of the day were Christian. You can also see a lot of pagan or mystic symbolism in artwork that on the surface is Christian.

If you want to talk about contribution to science then the biggest contribution was that in monasteries people were taught to read and write. A lot of early scientists joined the church simply to have access to the libraries (not for any strong religious conviction.) You also cannot forget the massive input into mathematics from Arabic mathematicians.

If Christianity and Islam didn’t exist, people would have been inspired by other sources and would have found seats of learning through other sources as happened in China for instance.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
Those people in that video were f*#ed up. Racisism is never right and having been a victim of it I don’t condone it from anyone. So, I’ll say again the people in this video are assholes, but as soon as I saw it I thought of something: Do the people in those neighborhoods act like that because of stuff like this:

TheOPINIONATOR: THE MUSLIM RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE OF BRITISH GIRLS Its been going on for some time now, I’ve gotten into debates about it in the past here on T-Nation so its nothing new. SO, in closing I don’t think these people are justified in what they are are doing but I can understand why they would be doing it.

Somewhere on the web, somebody’s linking to an anecdotal list of rapes committed by black people, and says that he can understand why it would be done (while insisting that lynchers aren’t justified in what they’re doing).
Actually, there’e way more black on white crime here in America. If you add in the fact that most black people also look up to gangsta rappers, have more kids out of weblock, and are more likely to go to prison than college I can understand why white people would be afraid me. In America we have somthing called Hate Crime Legislation. In a nutshell the way it works is that if a white person does ANYTHING to a homosexual or anyone of color they get screwed. Their crime will be pasteed all over the news and every activist group we have will be demonstraiting outside the courthouse demanding a harsher sentence. Meanwhile when somthing like this happens http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/05/14/christian-newsom-murders-media/ the media is silent. Crime is crime plain and simple. Maybe if we judged all crime the same without any racial bias thier would be less gripping between the races to begin with.

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This is fucking horrible, that link is just awful!!! Who would do such things to another human being? Fucking monsters. That’s why I carry my knife with me, at least then I will have some chance of defence if someone tries to carjack me, kidnap me, and cut my dick off. Motherfuckers. This shit should have been all over the fucking TV. Liberal fucking bullshit media.

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

I can’t really speak on Protestant Reformation, as I don’t much about Protestantism, but have never held them in some a high regard. I hold devout Protestants in about the same regard as I hold practicing Muslims.
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I’m curious as to what regard it is you hold practicing Muslims, and what you mean by your holding devout Protestants in the same like.

See, as a Catholic myself, I cringe as statements like this. I don’t really have any real problems with any of the other mainstream Protestant religions. I don’t think they are all going to hell. I don’t think they are bad people. And I’ve always been rather flabbergasted when I heard some of the things that “they” believe about “us.”

In all my time attending church, too (nearly every Sunday or Saturday night of my life), I have never once heard a priest talk about how another religion was “wrong” or about how people who don’t believe what we do are going to burn in hell. It would have turned me right off, as a matter of fact. Indeed I’ve (quite recently) heard my priest praising other religions.

Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions.

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I don’t think highly of protestants because where I was raised we have people who will ask you, “What religion are you?” You might replay Catholic, to which they will reply, “Oh I’m Christian.” As if Catholics aren’t Christians, and some sort of regressive misled draconian ideology.

I don’t really give a shit what Protestants or any religion believes, I draw offense from religions that they make over-generalized and sweeping value judgements, most especially on people from other religions. It is these same religions, and their masses of stupid people, who get riled up in a righteous fervor to bother other individuals of any faith or lack thereof.

Practicing Muslims and devout Protestants, from my experience are the most guilty of this. It seems to me many of them like shack up in their trailer home and get into some hate-fest on Muslims and Catholics, with some occasional quoting and misguided historical references…All the while, Catholics, Orthodox , Hindus, and refined Protestants, just go and learn something useful, take their will and make their lives.

I guess I probably can see these people I speak of as being called Evangelicials, as I understand enough about the Protestant Reformation, to put Lutherans, Calivinists in one group, CoE, Presbyterians, Baptists in another, and then identify the rest as something else entirely.

It’s probably a level of prejudice that I should get rid of, me identifying all Protestants with Evangelicals. I should make that distinction.

As far as Muslims, two of my best friends, are from Albania and Bosnia respectively. Their practice of Islam and viewpoint on religion is comparable to that of Catholic or Orthodox people. So I hold them in about the same esteem, as normal, rational and logical people with an element of spirtuality in their lives. In addition to this, I recognized the ideas of the enlightenment, and the value that many thinks of the Protestant faiths have had especially on America, such as the Founding Fathers. However, I think most of the Founding Fathers, had true beliefs been revealed, would have been largely seen as unacceptable to their churches because they were truly closer to Agnostics.

Pretty much, the rest of the ignorant devout Muslims, and devout Evangelicals are kind of like societal trolls we could plain out just do without. I don’t know or care whether or not they go to Hell or Heaven, this is not something I concern myself with. For the most part, I say Evangelicals, and Muslim targetting the lowest elements of society, thus the intelligence of their masses and movement reflect this, adding to an extremely bad image in my head.

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions.

I don’t think highly of protestants because where I was raised we have people who will ask you, “What religion are you?” You might replay Catholic, to which they will reply, “Oh I’m Christian.” As if Catholics aren’t Christians, and some sort of regressive misled draconian ideology.

I don’t really give a shit what Protestants or any religion believes, I draw offense from religions that they make over-generalized and sweeping value judgements, most especially on people from other religions. It is these same religions, and their masses of stupid people, who get riled up in a righteous fervor to bother other individuals of any faith or lack thereof.

Practicing Muslims and devout Protestants, from my experience are the most guilty of this. It seems to me many of them like shack up in their trailer home and get into some hate-fest on Muslims and Catholics, with some occasional quoting and misguided historical references…All the while, Catholics, Orthodox , Hindus, and refined Protestants, just go and learn something useful, take their will and make their lives.

I guess I probably can see these people I speak of as being called Evangelicials, as I understand enough about the Protestant Reformation, to put Lutherans, Calivinists in one group, CoE, Presbyterians, Baptists in another, and then identify the rest as something else entirely.

It’s probably a level of prejudice that I should get rid of, me identifying all Protestants with Evangelicals. I should make that distinction.

As far as Muslims, two of my best friends, are from Albania and Bosnia respectively. Their practice of Islam and viewpoint on religion is comparable to that of Catholic or Orthodox people. So I hold them in about the same esteem, as normal, rational and logical people with an element of spirtuality in their lives. In addition to this, I recognized the ideas of the enlightenment, and the value that many thinks of the Protestant faiths have had especially on America, such as the Founding Fathers. However, I think most of the Founding Fathers, had true beliefs been revealed, would have been largely seen as unacceptable to their churches because they were truly closer to Agnostics.

Pretty much, the rest of the ignorant devout Muslims, and devout Evangelicals are kind of like societal trolls we could plain out just do without. I don’t know or care whether or not they go to Hell or Heaven, this is not something I concern myself with. For the most part, I say Evangelicals, and Muslim targetting the lowest elements of society, thus the intelligence of their masses and movement reflect this, adding to an extremely bad image in my head.[/quote]

I think your experience of Protestents is very different to most of the world. Here in Mexico for instance, Catholics (the majority) typilcally view Protestents as not really Christian.

Also you talk about Hindus as leaving every0one else be, that might be true where you are, but not so true in parts of India where there are Christians being murdered for refusing to convert.

Religion doesn’t cause hatred and violence but it sure does seem to be a beacon to nutters like a lamp to a moth.

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[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions.

I don’t think highly of protestants because where I was raised we have people who will ask you, “What religion are you?” You might replay Catholic, to which they will reply, “Oh I’m Christian.” As if Catholics aren’t Christians, and some sort of regressive misled draconian ideology.

I don’t really give a shit what Protestants or any religion believes, I draw offense from religions that they make over-generalized and sweeping value judgements, most especially on people from other religions. It is these same religions, and their masses of stupid people, who get riled up in a righteous fervor to bother other individuals of any faith or lack thereof.

Practicing Muslims and devout Protestants, from my experience are the most guilty of this. It seems to me many of them like shack up in their trailer home and get into some hate-fest on Muslims and Catholics, with some occasional quoting and misguided historical references…All the while, Catholics, Orthodox , Hindus, and refined Protestants, just go and learn something useful, take their will and make their lives.

I guess I probably can see these people I speak of as being called Evangelicials, as I understand enough about the Protestant Reformation, to put Lutherans, Calivinists in one group, CoE, Presbyterians, Baptists in another, and then identify the rest as something else entirely.

It’s probably a level of prejudice that I should get rid of, me identifying all Protestants with Evangelicals. I should make that distinction.

As far as Muslims, two of my best friends, are from Albania and Bosnia respectively. Their practice of Islam and viewpoint on religion is comparable to that of Catholic or Orthodox people. So I hold them in about the same esteem, as normal, rational and logical people with an element of spirtuality in their lives. In addition to this, I recognized the ideas of the enlightenment, and the value that many thinks of the Protestant faiths have had especially on America, such as the Founding Fathers. However, I think most of the Founding Fathers, had true beliefs been revealed, would have been largely seen as unacceptable to their churches because they were truly closer to Agnostics.

Pretty much, the rest of the ignorant devout Muslims, and devout Evangelicals are kind of like societal trolls we could plain out just do without. I don’t know or care whether or not they go to Hell or Heaven, this is not something I concern myself with. For the most part, I say Evangelicals, and Muslim targetting the lowest elements of society, thus the intelligence of their masses and movement reflect this, adding to an extremely bad image in my head.[/quote]

Okay, I guess I got the wrong initial impression from what you were saying, because you and I are pretty much in agreement on all points.

It doesn’t speak much of your religion, imo, if you have to spend a large portion of your energy upon trying to make the other guy look bad. It reeks of an insecurity that I would not feel comfortable devoting myself to. It also begs the question of what is wrong with a religion that has to distract its followers with hatred of and superiority over their fellow man (and that is what it is).

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

Religion doesn’t cause hatred and violence but it sure does seem to be a beacon to nutters like a lamp to a moth.[/quote]

Atheistic communism seemed to have that problem, too. 60 million bodies strewn throughout Russia and not a “religious” extremist to be found.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

Religion doesn’t cause hatred and violence but it sure does seem to be a beacon to nutters like a lamp to a moth.

Atheistic communism seemed to have that problem, too. 60 million bodies strewn throughout Russia and not a “religious” extremist to be found.

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We have done this to death but yes, you are right in a way. Though Stalin and Mao were effectively religious extremists.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

We have done this to death but yes, you are right in a way. Though Stalin and Mao were effectively religious extremists.[/quote]

See how they do it? Even when state atheism kills, it’s still our fault.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
Watch this and tell me you didn’t just feel like vomiting

And this isnt just an isolated incident. It’s happening everywhere here.

Disgusting and very cowardly, attacking vulnerable lone victims in large groups like a pack of wild dogs…

No they’re even lower than that.

The worst part is that council trash kids think they can get away with anyhting because of their age.

Something has to be done about this racism and ignorance, it is getting out of hand.

The UK is clearly too racist for you. You should move back to the Islamic country you came from and leave the racist natives alone.

  1. I was born in leeds. That makes me just as British as anyone else there regardless of religion of ethnic origin.

  2. In case you haven’t noticed Britain is a secular nation and a melting pot of diversity. Which is an excellent thing. Its an ignorant, uneducated minority of people who spoil it for everyone else.

The ethnic English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish were not consulted when NuLabour decided to make the UK into a glorious vibrant melting pot of diversity. I seriously doubt most of them like it. I’ve seen videos of Muslims rioting in the streets, chasing cops, beating Jews, and engaging in trafficking of Hindu and white women. The British did not ask for that in their society: it was foisted on them by traitors.

If you don’t like how the ethnic British act, move.

Given that large scale Immigration has been going on into the UK for at least 2,000 years then I don’t think we can blame it all on Gordon Brown and Tony Blair (much as I would like to.)[/quote]

That is a lie that is used to legitamize mass immigration. What has happened under Labour has not been going on for the last two thousand years. Up until the post war immigration era all the significant movements of people into Britain have been European peoples who had enough in common culturally and racially that they could assimilate into the population.

What is happening now is different and it is casuing the society to become increasingly fragmented and ghettoized. Southmeade and St. Pauls is a prime example of it.

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[quote]bond james bond wrote:
I watched a show a couple of years ago and the dude basically said that Britain is a country of shops…But then the average consumer started to get impatient for goods and wanted stores to be open later and on weekends. Problem was “regular” brits don’t want to work those hours…immigrants will, sleep in the store on a couch in the back etc. [/quote]

It was Napolean who said that the British are a nation of shop keepers. The country has some opening and closing laws for businesses that are not popular with everyone but those have been getting relaxed over the years. It is one of the problems that comes with not having a constitution that specifically states that church and state must be seperate.

The welfare state pays so well that people aren’t motivated and it has rules that punish people who are. It is a myth that immigrants are needed to do jobs that the British can’t or won’t do.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You guys haven’t heard the whole tale – the libs in Britain give EVERYTHING to immigrants and tax the living shit out of the locals to pay for it all. If you had to provide all kinds of goodies to people from other countries, you’d resent it too. And then when those immigrants spit on your soldiers just back from Iraq or the Afghan…

Free healthcare, welfare benefits, and a subsidized flat…so immigrants can compete for your jobs and spend your tax dollars.

Things are so desperate there, the BNP will soon be a major player. Those immigrants would be wise to return to their shitholes.

The thing is, most successful people who own or run businesses here don’t give a shit about where you’re from as long as you get the job done.

Not if the employer is an “ethnic” who has the same attitude as you about the lazy, stupid, thieving white Brits.

Now Polish and south asians, understand what’s it’s like living in poverty, they come here in search of a better life, in the same way britons who move to america and australia do. The things is they just happen to be very skilled and hard working too. While on the other hand natives in from many low socio-economic areas are not.

Instead of investing in skilled trades and college education programs for kids from working class families, the government just brings in skilled foreigners so the kids end up on the dole and the government has an excuse to hit their parents with higher taxes to pay for it.

This is why Britain is going down the shitter. The government is not filling gaps in the job market by developing home grown talent. Because that would mean empowerment for those people instead of having them be dependents.

It is a wicked form of social engineering. It is like Hitler in reverse. Hitler wanted to make the Germans into a superior people who were above everybody. Labour wants to make the British people into an inferior race who are beneath everybody.

Check out the statistics. “Free healthcare, welfare benefits, and a subsidized flat”… Those one the dole just happen to be primarily british of caucasian decent. Like those in the video. They don’t have an amitious bone their bodies and harrass and criticise immigrants who do.

The social housing rules are those who are most in need go to the front of the line. That is why a large family of immigrants who just got off of the boat and have no one they can stay with because they have no family in Britain will get a large multiroon house in a wealthy part of town right away. While a young pregnant couple who are sleeping on Mum and Dads or brother and sisters couch can’t even get a single room council flat on a crime infested estate.

Ambition and motivation has been socially engineered out of people by the welfare state rules which encourage idleness and punish work. My grandparents grew up before the welfare state and they worked bloody hard for what they had. If they didn’t work they would have starved to death along with their family. All the indigenous British have that history.

Who cares if they’re white and british??? They live a life of petty crime and contribute NOTHING to Britain whatsoever and of course all this is at the tax payers expense. They are nothing but a burden on society.
So it is ridiculous how you can sit there and criticize immigrant, without criticizing the idle, native scroungers first.

So the British are untermensch and a burden upon Britain.

Now while I understand that some deprived areas within the UK could do with cultural enrichment programmes to encourage further integration , you must understand that a lot of negative publicity is merely daily mail sensationalism and scaremongering used to further promote right-wing propaganda. And nothing more. Most immigrant are normal people who just want to work and get on with their lives.

So your position is those horrible British need diversity training to teach them to like having multiculturalism forced down their throats in the form of mass immigration and to enjoy being disenfranchised from representation in THEIR government through gerrymandering.

As for the BNP. You don’t live here so you probably didn’t watch griffin make a complete ass of himself on national TV a few days ago. Which if anything gave the BNP and their fascism nothing except negative publicity. They won’t be in power anytime soon, if ever.

So you think us stupid Yanks can’t get the internet over here and we don’t know how to use youtube. If you think that we didn’t see slimey Jack Straw talk in circles and have to be repeatedly asked to answer the question has Labour immigration policy led rise of the BNP you are very much mistaken. If anyone made a complete ass out of themselves it is Straw.

A lot can happen between now and May. While there is not that could happen that would go against the BNP there is a lot that can go in it’s favor. What is happening now is the result of decades of mismanagement and deliberate lies and deciet by various Labour and Tory governments. So don’t be surprised if the next election sees the first BNP MP’s.

Sifu. the welfare state was brought in during the 40s, since the 80s what is covered by the welfare state has been steadily scaled back. Obviously this was started by the Tories under Thatcher but it has been continued by Labour. Of course if you actually knew anything about the UK you would be aware of this.

There are still some terrible loopholes in the system but it is improving (admittedly not fast enough.)[/quote]

I have a 50 year old relative who has been off and on job seekers allowance for the last thirty years. For the last thirty years I have been hearing tales of his efforts to keep the people at the dole office off his back. The job schemes or the training schemes that came in under Thatcher all ot it. I know all about gaming the system over there.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

We have done this to death but yes, you are right in a way. Though Stalin and Mao were effectively religious extremists.

See how they do it? Even when state atheism kills, it’s still our fault.[/quote]

OK so how about if we call it fervent belief without proof instead of religion, will that make you happy?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Im Yolked wrote:
Watch this and tell me you didn’t just feel like vomiting

And this isnt just an isolated incident. It’s happening everywhere here.

Disgusting and very cowardly, attacking vulnerable lone victims in large groups like a pack of wild dogs…

No they’re even lower than that.

The worst part is that council trash kids think they can get away with anyhting because of their age.

Something has to be done about this racism and ignorance, it is getting out of hand.

The UK is clearly too racist for you. You should move back to the Islamic country you came from and leave the racist natives alone.

  1. I was born in leeds. That makes me just as British as anyone else there regardless of religion of ethnic origin.

  2. In case you haven’t noticed Britain is a secular nation and a melting pot of diversity. Which is an excellent thing. Its an ignorant, uneducated minority of people who spoil it for everyone else.

The ethnic English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish were not consulted when NuLabour decided to make the UK into a glorious vibrant melting pot of diversity. I seriously doubt most of them like it. I’ve seen videos of Muslims rioting in the streets, chasing cops, beating Jews, and engaging in trafficking of Hindu and white women. The British did not ask for that in their society: it was foisted on them by traitors.

If you don’t like how the ethnic British act, move.

Given that large scale Immigration has been going on into the UK for at least 2,000 years then I don’t think we can blame it all on Gordon Brown and Tony Blair (much as I would like to.)

That is a lie that is used to legitamize mass immigration. What has happened under Labour has not been going on for the last two thousand years. Up until the post war immigration era all the significant movements of people into Britain have been European peoples who had enough in common culturally and racially that they could assimilate into the population.

What is happening now is different and it is casuing the society to become increasingly fragmented and ghettoized. Southmeade and St. Pauls is a prime example of it.[/quote]

Clearly this is not true, I have provided evidence on other threads. Also you have just jumped from blaming New Labour to talking about post war in the space of a couple of posts. A jump of 50 years in history.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
I watched a show a couple of years ago and the dude basically said that Britain is a country of shops…But then the average consumer started to get impatient for goods and wanted stores to be open later and on weekends. Problem was “regular” brits don’t want to work those hours…immigrants will, sleep in the store on a couch in the back etc.

It was Napolean who said that the British are a nation of shop keepers. The country has some opening and closing laws for businesses that are not popular with everyone but those have been getting relaxed over the years. It is one of the problems that comes with not having a constitution that specifically states that church and state must be seperate.

In other words, the immigrant will do the shit jobs the others won’t. Do I have this right?

The welfare state pays so well that people aren’t motivated and it has rules that punish people who are. It is a myth that immigrants are needed to do jobs that the British can’t or won’t do. [/quote]

Well as you lose your job seekers allowance after 6 months out of work and actually have to start working under the new deal to maintain payments I am not sure how that plays out…

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

We have done this to death but yes, you are right in a way. Though Stalin and Mao were effectively religious extremists.

See how they do it? Even when state atheism kills, it’s still our fault.

OK so how about if we call it fervent belief without proof instead of religion, will that make you happy?[/quote]

I thought state atheism worked well enough.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

We have done this to death but yes, you are right in a way. Though Stalin and Mao were effectively religious extremists.

See how they do it? Even when state atheism kills, it’s still our fault.

OK so how about if we call it fervent belief without proof instead of religion, will that make you happy?

I thought state atheism worked well enough.[/quote]

Well anyone anywhere mandating what you are allowed to believe is wrong so yes, that is fine by me. Though of course that means there should at all times be full separation of church and state. No tax breaks for religions, no considering religious sensibilities when laws are passed etc.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
No tax breaks for religions, no considering religious sensibilities when laws are passed etc.[/quote]

Well, you already tax religious individuals (something my Church doesn’t do to atheists). Now, if you then taxed religious institutions would we have control over where our taxes went? No condoms, abortions, no obscene art funding, sex education funding, etc. Would you close down the coercive secular ‘charity’ organization called the welfare state, so we could be more charitable, locally, through our own organizations, with our own money, without the threat of force?

The secular is far more coercive than the religious. Odd, how that turned out.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

I can’t really speak on Protestant Reformation, as I don’t much about Protestantism, but have never held them in some a high regard. I hold devout Protestants in about the same regard as I hold practicing Muslims.

I’m curious as to what regard it is you hold practicing Muslims, and what you mean by your holding devout Protestants in the same like.

See, as a Catholic myself, I cringe as statements like this. I don’t really have any real problems with any of the other mainstream Protestant religions. I don’t think they are all going to hell. I don’t think they are bad people. And I’ve always been rather flabbergasted when I heard some of the things that “they” believe about “us.”

In all my time attending church, too (nearly every Sunday or Saturday night of my life), I have never once heard a priest talk about how another religion was “wrong” or about how people who don’t believe what we do are going to burn in hell. It would have turned me right off, as a matter of fact. Indeed I’ve (quite recently) heard my priest praising other religions.

Sorry for potentially taking this thread in a direction it wasn’t intended to go, but I just wanted to be clear that the standard Catholic position as far as I am aware is to worry about other Catholics, for the most part, and really not to pay much thought at all to the other religions. [/quote]

So…you believe Mohammed is a prophet of God?

Because Muslims sure believe that about Jesus.

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I was born in London and lived here all my life, apart from 2 years in Spain after finishing Uni. I’ve travelled to nearly all of the UK (major cities and towns at least).

All my life I’ve only experienced racism ONCE, about the age of 10 while walking along Princess Street in Edinburgh, and that was from a grown chav looking adult, which is pretty shameful.

I think the title of this thread is a bit exaggerated.

LR