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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Even if adults can handle them fine you would still see tons of kids using them if they were sold OTC so that is why I want some sort of prescription necessary.

I think more doctors would prescribe them if the restrictions on acceptable uses were lifted.[/quote]

What would it take to enable a doctor to prescribe steriods, especially in today’s media driven “steriods are the devil” climate? The medical community would have to retract it’s statements and blanket add campaigns and start telling people they were wrong. “Oh were sorry, steriods are actually ok for you, just so long as your friendly doctor keeps an eye on you.”

As soon as something like this becomes doctor regulated, the price will skyrocket and doctors will start requiring all kinds of tests and routine bloodwork to make sure the kid isn’t adversely affected… as well as making sure the doctor is making a tidy profit. Do you really think insurance companies will cover the cost of steriods? What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?

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[quote]sic wrote:
What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?[/quote]

First, why are we even discussing use by teenagers? Why would there need to be a “medical necessity”? Is there a “medical necessity” for breast implants?

One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Come on Zap, legal drugs are harder for children to acquire than illegal drugs. Why does no one get this?[/quote]

Horseshit. Kids can get legal drugs from their parents medicine cabinets. They can easily get OTC drugs. Why do you pretend otherwise?

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I want to see statistics of AAS use in countries where posession is legal, such as Mexico, Thailand, UK, etc…

You would think for such a deadly and rage inducing drug(yes, that’s sarcasm) there’d be mass amounts of muscle bound killing machines storming the streets.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Come on Zap, legal drugs are harder for children to acquire than illegal drugs. Why does no one get this?

Horseshit. Kids can get legal drugs from their parents medicine cabinets. They can easily get OTC drugs. Why do you pretend otherwise?[/quote]

I agree with you, but it is just as easy to walk down the street and grab a few of the very drugs we are wasting so much money to not stop.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Come on Zap, legal drugs are harder for children to acquire than illegal drugs. Why does no one get this?

Horseshit. Kids can get legal drugs from their parents medicine cabinets. They can easily get OTC drugs. Why do you pretend otherwise?[/quote]
Well, wasn’t for me. Perhaps because my parents were always watchful and kept track of what they had, I never risked raiding my parent’s stuff. My father’s an intimidating man.

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[quote]sic wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Even if adults can handle them fine you would still see tons of kids using them if they were sold OTC so that is why I want some sort of prescription necessary.

I think more doctors would prescribe them if the restrictions on acceptable uses were lifted.

What would it take to enable a doctor to prescribe steriods, especially in today’s media driven “steriods are the devil” climate? …[/quote]

I believe there are legal restrictions on the reasons that steroids can be prescribed. Loosen those restrictions and there will be a sports medicine doctor in every town that would write prescriptions and do blood tests. It would be as simple as getting birth control pills or valium. Prices would be reasonable.

If they were sold OTC then they would easily end up in kids hands and kids would use them. There are plenty of unscrupulous adults that would distribute them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
sic wrote:
What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?

First, why are we even discussing use by teenagers? Why would there need to be a “medical necessity”? Is there a “medical necessity” for breast implants?

One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

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Because for whatever reason whenever they’res a drug or a supplement that increase one’s muscle, or cognitive function, then it’s automatically seen as a moral and ethical issue. Why? I have no idea. It’s as if people want to keep other people mediocre. Isn’t the whole point of modern medicine and science to ADVANCE mankind?

Everytime there’s something promising on the horizon that could take men to new limits it’s immediately regulated and controlled to “protect” the people.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

[/quote]

This was one of the main targets in Operation Raw Deal. Doctors that ran l life extension clinics were raided for prescribing HGH to people that did not “need” it.

Ironically - big Pharma has recently petitioned the FDA to relax usage guidelines for…HGH.

There are doctors that get it. They just need to be able to do it without fear of prison sentences.

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sic wrote:
What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?

First, why are we even discussing use by teenagers? Why would there need to be a “medical necessity”? Is there a “medical necessity” for breast implants?

One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

Because for whatever reason whenever they’res a drug or a supplement that increase one’s muscle, or cognitive function, then it’s automatically seen as a moral and ethical issue. Why? I have no idea. It’s as if people want to keep other people mediocre. Isn’t the whole point of modern medicine and science to ADVANCE mankind?

Everytime there’s something promising on the horizon that could take men to new limits it’s immediately regulated and controlled to “protect” the people.[/quote]

I honestly feel the same way. As a whole, the average person you see on the street is weak, fat and generally looks like they would cave in if anyone so much as said, “Boo!” in their general direction. This seems to be how they want all of us to fit the mold of.

It seems to be working.

Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sic wrote:
What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?

First, why are we even discussing use by teenagers? Why would there need to be a “medical necessity”? Is there a “medical necessity” for breast implants?

One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

Because for whatever reason whenever they’res a drug or a supplement that increase one’s muscle, or cognitive function, then it’s automatically seen as a moral and ethical issue. Why? I have no idea. It’s as if people want to keep other people mediocre. Isn’t the whole point of modern medicine and science to ADVANCE mankind?

Everytime there’s something promising on the horizon that could take men to new limits it’s immediately regulated and controlled to “protect” the people.

I honestly feel the same way. As a whole, the average person you see on the street is weak, fat and generally looks like they would cave in if anyone so much as said, “Boo!” in their general direction. This seems to be how they want all of us to fit the mold of.

It seems to be working.

Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?[/quote]
It’s almost as if ‘they’ fear a populace that’s strong and confident. Obese and sedentary is much less of a threat.

Steroids-bad
Trans fat, sugar, corn syrup, cigarettes- ok

There’s absolutely no logic in that if health is a genuine concern.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?[/quote]

In your case, I don’t think it is so much the “more muscular” thing as it is the fact that you are just one ugly motherfucker.

Ugly people scare me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sic wrote:
What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?

First, why are we even discussing use by teenagers? Why would there need to be a “medical necessity”? Is there a “medical necessity” for breast implants?

One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

Because for whatever reason whenever they’res a drug or a supplement that increase one’s muscle, or cognitive function, then it’s automatically seen as a moral and ethical issue. Why? I have no idea. It’s as if people want to keep other people mediocre. Isn’t the whole point of modern medicine and science to ADVANCE mankind?

Everytime there’s something promising on the horizon that could take men to new limits it’s immediately regulated and controlled to “protect” the people.

I honestly feel the same way. As a whole, the average person you see on the street is weak, fat and generally looks like they would cave in if anyone so much as said, “Boo!” in their general direction. This seems to be how they want all of us to fit the mold of.

It seems to be working.

Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?[/quote]

People are afraid it will mess up the sanctity of sports. They also don’t want to work hard to keep up with others.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?

In your case, I don’t think it is so much the “more muscular” thing as it is the fact that you are just one ugly motherfucker.

Ugly people scare me. [/quote]

Which is kind of ironic, don´t you think? :-)…

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[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?

In your case, I don’t think it is so much the “more muscular” thing as it is the fact that you are just one ugly motherfucker.

Ugly people scare me.

Which is kind of ironic, don´t you think? :-)…[/quote]

touche’

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sic wrote:
What would the medical necessity be for a teenager or young adult?

First, why are we even discussing use by teenagers? Why would there need to be a “medical necessity”? Is there a “medical necessity” for breast implants?

One of the largest problems when it comes to doctors and their freedom to prescribe is this strange idea that the only approved use for these drugs is illness or disease. Why are we still only treating diseases in this country and not focusing on also increasing the quality of life of HEALTHY individuals?

Because for whatever reason whenever they’res a drug or a supplement that increase one’s muscle, or cognitive function, then it’s automatically seen as a moral and ethical issue. Why? I have no idea. It’s as if people want to keep other people mediocre. Isn’t the whole point of modern medicine and science to ADVANCE mankind?

Everytime there’s something promising on the horizon that could take men to new limits it’s immediately regulated and controlled to “protect” the people.

I honestly feel the same way. As a whole, the average person you see on the street is weak, fat and generally looks like they would cave in if anyone so much as said, “Boo!” in their general direction. This seems to be how they want all of us to fit the mold of.

It seems to be working.

Why is the initial reaction upon seeing someone more muscular than average fear?
It’s almost as if ‘they’ fear a populace that’s strong and confident. Obese and sedentary is much less of a threat.

Steroids-bad
Trans fat, sugar, corn syrup, cigarettes- ok

There’s absolutely no logic in that if health is a genuine concern.[/quote]

Health is rarely a concern; profit is. Who do you stand to make more money off of: a healthy, confident person or an insecure, fat, sickly person?

Consider how much fast food companies make, and the “weight loss” market, not to mention healthcare, OTC medicine, and everything else that is much easier to sell to the insecure (everything).

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Health is rarely a concern; profit is. Who do you stand to make more money off of: a healthy, confident person or an insecure, fat, sickly person?

Consider how much fast food companies make, and the “weight loss” market, not to mention healthcare, OTC medicine, and everything else that is much easier to sell to the insecure (everything).

[/quote]

As the 30 - 45 market ages, you will see a much higher demand for life extension protocols. This means more hgh, more test, more of what many of us are already using.

This is the generation that will not die. Men will want to look as young and verile as they possibly can. You are already seeing that with Sly, and others that have found the fountain of youth that is hgh.

Doctors will want to cash in on this, and if they can get big pharma to get in the FDA’s ear, you will see our land once again flowing with the milk and honey that is AAS.

Just be patient, and find a decent domestic source.

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I like Flavadave’s old avatar. The young chick was hot…

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Yea I know, but American Psycho, man. American Psycho.

Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke.

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[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
Yea I know, but American Psycho, man. American Psycho.

Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke.[/quote]

Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don’t you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority.

In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as, uh, anything I’ve heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your ass. Phil Collins’ solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and, uh, Against All Odds. Sabrina, don’t just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.