-Brock’s lowest moment was getting care from Canada. “We have the best doctors in the world” in the United States, tells us he’s opposed to widespread health reform. Doctors in Canada couldn’t do anything for him, it was like he was in a third world country. Brock loves Canada and owns property in Canada, but he’d definitely want to be in the U.S. to get care. Restates that he loves Canadians, but he’s not a fan of their healthcare.
–His wife saved his life by getting him out of the hospital. She drove 100 miles an hour to get out of Canada and into the hospital in North Dakota. He was in the hospital in Bismark for 11 days. The doctors drained pockets in his stomach and removed 14 CC’s of fluid from his stomach.
–Brock refuses to disclose where he was treated. Says he is mentioning this because he’s opposed to President Obama’s healthcare plan and he wants to disclose to the citizens of the United States how bad universal healthcare is. Brock is speaking on the behalf of Americans, and on behalf of doctors (He was speaking to Neil Davidson of the Canadian press at this point). Machinery at the Canadian hospital wasn’t working, so he went to where he could have it done.
Good find!
It’s always like that, the Americans who complain about the health-care here are always surprised when they are left sitting in a Canadian waiting room for 24 hours, while bleeding.
Yes, I can back that up with sources, you internet-fascists. I can’t wait to hear from the naive side of T-muscle.
Its a difficult subject to tackle and I dont know enough…
but can someone tell me what makes socializing health care so inefficient? Would it mean less proffessional health care providers? Wouldn’t it guarantee that everyone (and not those well-off like Brock Lesnar) get the best health care possible? (which may be less than now, but at least everyone will get it)
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
but can someone tell me what makes socializing health care so inefficient? [/quote]
the short of it is this:
Socialism tries to replace a market that bases prices on supply and demand with mandates that eliminate prices. Without free floating market prices producers do not know how to efficiently meet demand and eventually scarce goods become much more scarce – including decent medical care providers.
the incompetence of any group of doctors has nothing to do with legislation. we have better doctors because we have better medical schools, not because of capitalism.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
the incompetence of any group of doctors has nothing to do with legislation. we have better doctors because we have better medical schools, not because of capitalism. [/quote]
But we have better medical schools because we have capitalism. There is a high demand market for top quality medical providers. Competent players are drawn to this market, at least in part, because of the premium it awards. Competition is intense, and the more specialized you can become, the richer the rewards.
I say “in part” because I truly believe some are primarily motivated by a desire to help others and relieve suffering.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
the incompetence of any group of doctors has nothing to do with legislation. we have better doctors because we have better medical schools, not because of capitalism. [/quote]
You mean doctors do not react to economic incentives?
Because that is what you claim.
You also claim that competition does not lead to better results than rationing.
“That unnamed medical centre, which is said to have been in Gimli, Manitoba (population 5797), wasn’t up to the fighter’s standards.”
Let’s compare a small hospital in a small Canadian town with the best hospital care money can buy in the U.S…
This is obviously the best representation of socialist care.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
the incompetence of any group of doctors has nothing to do with legislation. we have better doctors because we have better medical schools, not because of capitalism. [/quote]
Do you think the medical delivery system will get MORE efficient with a shit ton more bureaucracy? If the best doctors in the world are bogged down in bureacratic red tape bullshit then it’s still a fail.
Some thoughts on the Canadian health care system, as a guy who used to work in it…
-You are NOT going to wait 24 hours in a hospital waiting room with blood spraying out of your carotid artery or your arm dangling by a tendon. Maybe some horrible oversight like this has happened once or twice, but it is not the norm. Some of the descriptions I hear make Canadian hospitals sound like WW1 field triages…far from it. However, the waiting times are longer than in the States.
-Canadian doctors are very well trained. I’d put any doctor at Sunnybrook in Toronto against the best Johns Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic has. Our schools are ruthlessly difficult to gain admission to, and upon graduation there is not a mass exodus to the “greener pastures” of the States. The government is putting more and more incentives out to the recent grads to stay in Canada, and if they commit to working in a rural environment for x number of years they get a sizeable bonus. I’d estimate greater than 80% of new grads take on supplementary study programs and religiously attend CMEs.
-The US has “great” diagnostic equipment, and if you’re willing to pay you don’t have to wait as long. Canada, by in large, has “good” diagnostic equipment, but the wait lists can be brutal IF your condition is deemed non-life threatening. If some guy has a suspected aneurysm, he’s going to be bumped up in line and will likely get an MRI the same day.
-Because Canada has free health care, a lot of our longer wait times can be attributed to hypochondriacs clogging up the system. We really need a better pre-screening system before allowing someone to come to the ER.
-Because Canada has free health care, a lot of our longer wait times can be attributed to hypochondriacs clogging up the system. We really need a better pre-screening system before allowing someone to come to the ER.
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This is going to be the problem here in the states if we go down this road. It’s like the one guy in scrubs who is always coming in claiming he has a rare condition.
300 Million americans have health insurance, 30 million do not. If we improved the economy, and passed tort reform with real teeth, the enconomy would create more jobs and therefore more jobs would mean more covered workers, also the tort reform would lower healthcare costs due to less medical malpractice suits, and helthcare would caost less, driving down premium, making jobs that currently do not provide healthcare, to be able to provide it as en enticement for better workers.
You would literally be left with a tiny population in the US who could not or would not get covered. You could either let them rot, or care for the truly needy ones and let the lazy ones rot. Whatever, the problem would be small and we could find a suitable solution.
This is a good video which dissects at least some of the things that are in this horrible, horrible health care bill. After viewing this video it will be obvious to those who are not yet aware that this is pure socialism:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
but can someone tell me what makes socializing health care so inefficient? [/quote]
the short of it is this:
Socialism tries to replace a market that bases prices on supply and demand with mandates that eliminate prices. Without free floating market prices producers do not know how to efficiently meet demand and eventually scarce goods become much more scarce – including decent medical care providers.[/quote]
There’s already no functioning market in healthcare though. And never has been.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
but can someone tell me what makes socializing health care so inefficient? [/quote]
the short of it is this:
Socialism tries to replace a market that bases prices on supply and demand with mandates that eliminate prices. Without free floating market prices producers do not know how to efficiently meet demand and eventually scarce goods become much more scarce – including decent medical care providers.[/quote]
There’s already no functioning market in healthcare though. And never has been.[/quote]
lol orly?
Are you telling me I cannot go into a drug store and buy medicine whenever I need it?
Are you telling me I cannot go see my doctor whenever I am sick or hurt?
Are you telling me I cannot call an ambulance and have it show up at my house in 2 minutes?
Are you telling me I will have to wait 6 months for cancer treatment?
The market works just fine though yes I agree the government is trying to circumvent it and give us socialism.
