Americans Love MMA, BB is Dying

Artem · June 11, 2009, 6:50pm

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
SSC wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:

Dude, if all you think about is fighting people all the time - Like how these magic fights just “pop” out of no where - Then you’re not a ‘badass.’ You’re not ‘hardcore.’ You just have a serious inferiority complex.

You’ll probably realize this forty or fifty years down the road. But you may not make it that long, because you’ll be in Subway some day, getting a Meatball Mozzarella, and BAM. In walks Brock Lesnar and he just wants to FIGHT! Because, you know, fights just start anywhere.

I don’t walk around the streets looking for fights. But like I said, next time you go to a bar there maybe some drunk guy there just waiting to kick your ass. Next time you take a short cut home, you could get mugged. In these circumstances it’s always useful to know how to fight.

Who do you think a girl will feel safer and more comfortable around, An athletic ripped guy who can actually protect her, or some over-grown milk chugging meathead who likes to shave his chest and pose in thongs?

But hey, if you want to look like a bodybuilder that’s fine, that’s an issue between you and your psychologist. But just don’t be surprised when you next go to the beach flexing and what not and all the chicks turn away in disgust and admire the surfers instead. [/quote]

I don’t think that. YolkedUp knows what women want, now.

“the streets” hahahah
Where the fuck do you live, some suburbs? And quit talks about bars. You’re not old enough to enter one.

Headhunter · June 11, 2009, 7:09pm

[quote]UFgator11 wrote:
HH, you motivated me to finally post on a forum.

Stop posting on forums/trashing bodybuilding lol your thread ideas are terrible.

since you’re surrounded by so many intelligent people in your family, how about you go antagonize them? [/quote]

Did it take that long to learn how to post on a forum? That’s kind of sad, really.

Headhunter · June 11, 2009, 7:17pm

[quote]Artem wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
SSC wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:

Dude, if all you think about is fighting people all the time - Like how these magic fights just “pop” out of no where - Then you’re not a ‘badass.’ You’re not ‘hardcore.’ You just have a serious inferiority complex.

You’ll probably realize this forty or fifty years down the road. But you may not make it that long, because you’ll be in Subway some day, getting a Meatball Mozzarella, and BAM. In walks Brock Lesnar and he just wants to FIGHT! Because, you know, fights just start anywhere.

I don’t walk around the streets looking for fights. But like I said, next time you go to a bar there maybe some drunk guy there just waiting to kick your ass. Next time you take a short cut home, you could get mugged. In these circumstances it’s always useful to know how to fight.

Who do you think a girl will feel safer and more comfortable around, An athletic ripped guy who can actually protect her, or some over-grown milk chugging meathead who likes to shave his chest and pose in thongs?

But hey, if you want to look like a bodybuilder that’s fine, that’s an issue between you and your psychologist. But just don’t be surprised when you next go to the beach flexing and what not and all the chicks turn away in disgust and admire the surfers instead.

I don’t think that. YolkedUp knows what women want, now.

“the streets” hahahah
Where the fuck do you live, some suburbs? And quit talks about bars. You’re not old enough to enter one.[/quote]

YolkedUp is right about spontaneous violence. And please note that I DO NOT trash bodybuilding per se, just the mindset that wants to LOOK tough but doesn’t bother to train to BE tough.

Martial art builds the Spirit. Bodybuilding builds the Physique. Education builds the Intellect.

Iron_Dwarf · June 11, 2009, 7:56pm

How does bodybuilding equate to looking tough? I never took up weights to end up looking tough. Hell, some people think BBers look like fags. lol

And in the real world, looking strong CAN help one avoid violence. If I go my entire life without having to fight, that would be a plus. Martial arts is good for the mind, spirit, and confidence-building. But if you use that in your argument about toughness, you’re not only a hypocrite, but you’re belittling martial arts as well.

Conversely, bodybuilding can also build self confidence, the mind an body as well. Those are the only comparisons. Otherwise, your silly thread should have included other pop-culture activities for “comparison” as well.

Nominal_Prospect · June 11, 2009, 10:54pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Most martial arts guys are shrimps with bad attitudes who need to compete in a “fighting sport” in order to stay out of jail.

Both sports are incredibly trashy.

The sport of bodybuilding isn’t about stage competitions. It’s about using weight training and nutrition to modify one’s physique. That hasn’t died out, and isn’t going to.

Anyone who lifts weights with aesthetic goals is a bodybuilder, whether they know it or not. This includes 50 year old women looking to drop 10 lbs.

Weights don’t hit back. (To paraphrase Bruce Lee). Of course, the ideal combination would be a good martial art (to develop spirit) and bodybuilding (to develop the physique). Full development of mind and body through these means, along with getting as much education as possible, would be ideal.[/quote]

The problem is, you can’t build a legitimate “sport” out of combat. This is the fundamental reason why all martial arts pursuits always have been and always will be a pale imitation of the real thing.

In real combat, people suffer crippling injuries and potentially get killed. Once you start adding all sorts of rules to the sport, you’ve got “combat ballet”, not real combat.

All of the moves that MMA fighters spend years perfecting wouldn’t amount to much in a real, no holds barred fight. It’s unlikely that anyone involved in a real street fight has ever pulled guard, for instance. That stuff is no different than dance choreography.

There has not been a true “combat sport” in the world since the Colosseum and there never again will be.

I was briefly interested in MMA when it started picking up attention a few years ago but that interest waned when I recognized the artificial nature of the sport. Referee’s stopping the fight and separating the fighters because one of them grabbed the fence, or even when they clinched and the crowd started booing because “nothing was happening”. That’s not combat, it’s show business. What else do you expect from a mainstream sport broadcast on national TV? Pure combat is found in people’s backyards, not on TV.

MMA, overall, is an incredibly trashy sport which attracts low-brow, unintelligent, violent individuals who look and act like convicts outside of the ring as much as inside.

Bodybuilding stage competitions are equally trashy, though without the violent aspects.

It’s a given that anything spawned by American culture and marketed to the masses is going to be pure, unadulterated trash.

Nominal_Prospect · June 11, 2009, 11:11pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Pure bodybuilding is dying. Most do it to LOOK strong and tough. But what if there is no substance behind the ‘LOOK’? Is the goal to look capable without becoming capable?[/quote]

Do you realize how easy it is to turn this analogy around?

Do you want a 500 lb. bench press if you’re not even going to look athletic to most people?

What are you going to do, walk around and tell people about your achievement? Or put it on your shirt? That will get you branded as an idiot faster than walking around in a tight shirt. Nobody in the real world gives a shit about how much you bench, squat, or dead. Seriously. NO ONE. Not unless you’re in 9th grade.

It is FAR better to “look” strong than to actually be strong.

Most “really strong” people are either shrimps with short limbs and great leverages or big, hulking guys who never go below 25% BF. Unless you aspire to be known as a “muscle midget” or “big, husky guy”, you’re better off training for aesthetics.

You can’t tell how much someone benches by looking at them but you sure can tell if they lift weights, and if they’re a bodybuilder.

This discussion has been had many times before and I don’t recall an occasion where the “strength crowd” won over the aesthetics crowd.

Your argument is loaded with flaws to begin with. Bodybuilders aren’t “weak”, in the first place. Anyone who even remotely resembles a professional bodybuilder is going to be a hell of a lot stronger than the average person, even the average athletic person.

BB’ers don’t put up as much weight in the big 3 as strength athletes because they don’t train for that purpose.

What, exactly, is the purpose of going for that 500 lb. bench press versus putting an additional 5 inches on your chest? Which would you rather have? Most people would rather take a 300 lb. bench and 48" muscular chest than a 500 lb. bench with 50" mantits. Well, granted, a few “fatboys” wouldn’t. Big old farmers’ sons from the midwest who weigh 230 lbs. at 16 years of age wouldn’t. But everybody else would. The former go on to be powerlifters or linebackers and marry women 5’5 women weighing 300 lbs, thus ensuring new generations of fatboys.

How can I get you to understand that the majority of people do not want to look like that character “Billy Bob” from the movie Varsity Blues. If you love fatboys then go ahead and enjoy it but really, nobody gives a shit how much your bench, dude. I’m telling you this for your own good. What are you, 39? It’s time to grow up.

waylanderxx · June 12, 2009, 12:43am

Man Yoked Up is masquerading as a bad ass again? He thinks he is the spokes person for the entire MMA community.

Of all the people who proclaim to be “MMA fighters” I only know two guys who actually are. One is a 25-1 kickboxer who was until recently the light heavyweight champ, and another guy does UFC style fights locally and is the lightweight champ in that league.

Both of them are really nice guys, neither of them go looking for fights. They go out to bars all the time and I have never once seen either of them get in a fight, or start an altercation. They NEVER brag about what they have accomplished. If you ask them about their fights they will get excited and tell you whatever you want to know, but the main them is they are both very respectful and humble. Something Yolked Up is not, and never will be because he is a poser.

Yolked up, you are just an a little indian boy posing as something else because you are insecure. Why don’t you stop belittling the sport of MMA with all your inane comments. You tried bodybuilding and failed, so now you post idiotic responses bashing BBing every chance you get.

Ghandi would be mad at you.

Headhunter · June 12, 2009, 12:51am

Nomi,

Unless you’re planning on joining Spetznaz, learning to fight to the death can’t happen; unless you get into the minor arts like Kina Mutai or perhaps Kali. Those arts are designed to destroy targets that are size irrelevent — eyes, arteries, throat.

The point of the thread was simply to point out how and WHY Americans are turned off by bodybuilding. The perception is that of guys who want to look intimidating but are really just big bodies with no spirit. They are like a pop gun, compared to a real gun. The real gun gets respect.

If a guy is muscular and shredded AND faces elbows to the face, leg kicks that would cripple most guys, jack hammer blows to the face…that they respect.

Fergy · June 12, 2009, 1:07am

Now a days if you throw a few punches at a bag you’re instantly an mma fighter apparently.

anon31651765 · June 12, 2009, 1:20am

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Most martial arts guys are shrimps with bad attitudes who need to compete in a “fighting sport” in order to stay out of jail.

Both sports are incredibly trashy.

The sport of bodybuilding isn’t about stage competitions. It’s about using weight training and nutrition to modify one’s physique. That hasn’t died out, and isn’t going to.

Anyone who lifts weights with aesthetic goals is a bodybuilder, whether they know it or not. This includes 50 year old women looking to drop 10 lbs.

Weights don’t hit back. (To paraphrase Bruce Lee). Of course, the ideal combination would be a good martial art (to develop spirit) and bodybuilding (to develop the physique). Full development of mind and body through these means, along with getting as much education as possible, would be ideal.

The problem is, you can’t build a legitimate “sport” out of combat. This is the fundamental reason why all martial arts pursuits always have been and always will be a pale imitation of the real thing.

In real combat, people suffer crippling injuries and potentially get killed. Once you start adding all sorts of rules to the sport, you’ve got “combat ballet”, not real combat.

All of the moves that MMA fighters spend years perfecting wouldn’t amount to much in a real, no holds barred fight. It’s unlikely that anyone involved in a real street fight has ever pulled guard, for instance. That stuff is no different than dance choreography.

There has not been a true “combat sport” in the world since the Colosseum and there never again will be.

I was briefly interested in MMA when it started picking up attention a few years ago but that interest waned when I recognized the artificial nature of the sport. Referee’s stopping the fight and separating the fighters because one of them grabbed the fence, or even when they clinched and the crowd started booing because “nothing was happening”. That’s not combat, it’s show business. What else do you expect from a mainstream sport broadcast on national TV? Pure combat is found in people’s backyards, not on TV.

MMA, overall, is an incredibly trashy sport which attracts low-brow, unintelligent, violent individuals who look and act like convicts outside of the ring as much as inside.

Bodybuilding stage competitions are equally trashy, though without the violent aspects.

It’s a given that anything spawned by American culture and marketed to the masses is going to be pure, unadulterated trash. [/quote]

This is one of the best trolling posts in the world.

Either that or you’re a huge douchebag who doesn’t know shit.

Nominal_Prospect · June 12, 2009, 2:46am

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This is one of the best trolling posts in the world.

Either that or you’re a huge douchebag who doesn’t know shit.[/quote]

As usual, I post my honest-to-god opinion and get accused of “trolling”.

You should know by now that I’m not like you. I don’t really fit into this community. That’s why so many of my posts come across as trolling attempts. In reality, I’ve been dead serious from day 1 and will continue to be for as long as I post here. Everything I write is my real opinion.

So, I’ll take “huge douchebag” over troll any day. From your perspective, I am an asshole/douchebag, because I’m an unrepentant elitist. In other words, I think I’m right, and I’m willing to argue to prove it. I don’t see any other purpose to having a message board than to argue.

If I was a real troll, why would I put so much effort into rebuking these accusations. Have you ever noticed that trolls engage in monologues, not dialogues? They tend never to respond to people directly. They write very obliquely and tend to give minimal information because they want to retail control of the situation. They want to be able to pull the strings and create drama. If you “open yourself up” by responding to all challengers, as I do, it’s very hard to retain such control.

Remember Kliplemet? He was a troll. He wrote in all caps. But apart from that obvious tactic, he posted irreverent stories, monologues. He didn’t get into dialogues with other posters. His threads took the following form:

-Kip: Story
-Other posters: Response
-Kip: No response, starts new thread or posts an oblique comment

Whereas my threads have always taken the form of:
-NP: Statement
-Other poster: Response
-NP: Counter-response
-Other poster: response
…and so on…

The point is that trolls don’t defend themselves because their posting style ensures that they never have to. In contrast, I defend myself with nearly every post I make, this one included. I’m no troll, I’m just a pariah. It’s interesting to see how people react when confronted with an opposing worldview. The standard response on the internet seems to be to cry “troll” and ignore the person. I think this is lame and defeats the purpose of having message boards in the first place. Do you really just want to hear yourself talk? What is the point of writing things like, “I agree”, “good post”, “LOL”, etc… That’s all you’ll get if you refuse to hear any dissenting opinions.

Nominal_Prospect · June 12, 2009, 3:18am

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Nomi,

Unless you’re planning on joining Spetznaz, learning to fight to the death can’t happen; unless you get into the minor arts like Kina Mutai or perhaps Kali. Those arts are designed to destroy targets that are size irrelevent — eyes, arteries, throat.[/quote]

Yeah I know, but I still think most of that “pressure point” stuff is BS.
You don’t need years of specialized training in order to be able to stick a pencil in someone’s eye or kick their testicles. Give me a pair of scissors and I’ll hold my own against one of those black belt ninja’s in a street fight.

For some reason, this Kung Fu mumbo jumbo really seems to appeal to some Western men, particularly those in science or engineering related professions.

You always see these science, math and physics teachers practicing karate in their spare time. You seem them doing after school projects using wooden boards to chop through. An amusing stereotype. The fact that people think their knowledge of karate will decrease their risk of injury in a street fight is pretty amusing, in-and-of itself. As if you are going be tossing shurikens at some doped up fiend who attacks you in the subway, or throwing spinning kicks at them.

I posted the following on another MMA thread and immediately got flamed for it, but after a while some people came to my defense.

In a real fight, aggression triumphs over technique and size triumphs over all. You can’t “train” to be a great fighter. The best you can do is be born with the genetics to become 6’4 300 lbs. and aggressive, with a thick skull. If you have that combination of attributes on your side, then everything else is sure to follow.

“Professionals” always try to make everything seem harder than it really is. It’s true for fighters, professors, lawyers, doctors, etc…

That’s why they tell you that all that training made them what they are.
It’s a lie, though.
Fighters are born, not made.

Aggression. You either have it or you don’t.

Headhunter, do you realize what martial arts is?
It’s a form of ballet invented for and by 5’5, 125 lb. Asians.

Think about that.

There’s a reason why these combat techniques never spread to the West during the Middle Ages. It’s because they suck. A strike from a lance is more powerful than a karate chop. It’s as pointless as it would be to wrestle a bear. Get a small pistol and save yourself the trouble.

I have yet to see one mma combo that stops bullets.

red04 · June 12, 2009, 3:29am

It’s funny how much wannabe fighters bring up things like “bar fight” or “you get mugged” and other “real life” situations like that. Sure having some knowledge of self defense helps, being completely untrained is obviously not ideal, but real fights don’t go down ANYTHING like an MMA fight, you don’t square up and touch gloves then start throwing down, especially in the getting mugged scenario. You think a bar fight is going to be 1v1(ha) with space to move and execute? You think someone mugging you is gonna come tap you on the shoulder to notify you or just hit you in the back of the head with some sort of weapon?

Fighters that think having some low level of training somehow makes them immune to “life happens” scenarios are delusional. Also the way some people talk about actual fighting around here sometimes makes it so blatantly obvious how little(likely never) they’ve ever had to. It’s not something to be proud of either, I’d rather be like the dude above who can count them on one closed fist(assuming he meant 0).

Justscrap · June 12, 2009, 4:12am

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
SSC wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:

Dude, if all you think about is fighting people all the time - Like how these magic fights just “pop” out of no where - Then you’re not a ‘badass.’ You’re not ‘hardcore.’ You just have a serious inferiority complex.

You’ll probably realize this forty or fifty years down the road. But you may not make it that long, because you’ll be in Subway some day, getting a Meatball Mozzarella, and BAM. In walks Brock Lesnar and he just wants to FIGHT! Because, you know, fights just start anywhere.

I don’t walk around the streets looking for fights. But like I said, next time you go to a bar there maybe some drunk guy there just waiting to kick your ass. Next time you take a short cut home, you could get mugged. In these circumstances it’s always useful to know how to fight.

Who do you think a girl will feel safer and more comfortable around, An athletic ripped guy who can actually protect her, or some over-grown milk chugging meathead who likes to shave his chest and pose in thongs?

But hey, if you want to look like a bodybuilder that’s fine, that’s an issue between you and your psychologist. But just don’t be surprised when you next go to the beach flexing and what not and all the chicks turn away in disgust and admire the surfers instead. [/quote]

For one bro you sound paranoid as hell. Two a girl will go with the guy she finds more attractive which often entails checking out the physique when you take personality out of the equation. I have never dated a girl who said what initially attracted to her me was that I could protected her from being mugged on the way home. I have had many that said they approached me at first because they liked my body. If you take the fact that Jacare is Brazilian and most chicks seem to go crazy over that I would bet most girls would go for the more muscular Greg Plitt instead of Jacare. When I am watching the UFC girls that I am with swoon over Sean Sherk’s bodybuilerisque physique more than Kenny’s athletic soccer player look. Notice the physiques on most romance novels. They are all bodybuilders.

Two being strong plays a big role in a confrontation. My sophmore year of highschool a football player who lifted a lot (held the school lifting records) and had the bodybuilder physique at a lean 215 pounds (girls absolutely hated him) joined the team. He was able to give most people trouble on the first day and after a month he was able to beat all except maybe one or two people. Combat sports developed weight classes for a reason. Boxing, wrestling, and pancration were called “heavy events” in Ancient Greece because typically the bigger and stronger guys would dominate. Interesting enough all the statues of these athletes look similar to bodybuilders. Of course if a smaller guy has a solid amount of experience and fights a bigger untrained guy he will win. But strength and size are not useless in a fight.

Finally why are you assuming that bodybuilders lack any athletic ability? Check out Andy Haman or watch the show American Gladiators in which bodybuilders play 90% of the gladiators. Here is a vid of girls being disgusted by Ken Yasuda’s bodybuilder physique Japan TV Show's with Ken Yasuda - YouTube

anon31651765 · June 12, 2009, 4:45pm

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

Yeah I know, but I still think most of that “pressure point” stuff is BS.
[/quote]

Then you’ve never had it done on you. Although it doesn’t work on everyone, a hard shot to the top of the forearm will bring you to your knees. Similarly, a punch to the side of the neck, just below the ear and behind the jaw, will cause extreme pain and is a lot like getting kicked in the nuts.

You don’t know shit.

That’s true. But you will not know how to punch, and if you land one you’ll probably break your damn hand and hurt yourself more than the other person. A good boxer will put you in the ground.

It appeals to everyone who is looking for a certain skillset to fit the idea of the fight they have in their heads.

Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes you win with the skills you have, sometimes you get fucked up. It’s not really brain surgery. That is the problem with a lot of MA’s- guys think cause they got a black belt it makes them invincible- it doesn’t. Same thing with really bug guys… there’s actually some similarities there.

It has nothing to do with the field you come from. There’s all walks of life that practice MA’s- from cops and firemen to football players to actors… all over the place. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

And having some training is better than none, especially if it’s the full contact kind like Kyokushin or boxing. Once you’re used to getting hit, you can deal with it. The smart people expand their horizons into real self-defense, like awareness and crime prevention, which will keep you safe.

Not true at all. Have you ever been in a real fight?

When your adrenaline starts, you do lose fine motor skills, meaning a finger lock from Aikido might not be something you can pull off. However, punching technique becomes so ingrained in you that if someone comes at you, your natural reflex will be to punch like you were taught. If you’re a boxer, you’ll hit them with a combination- a karateka, you’re likely to step in with a hard blow to the midsection. I have used blocks and parries that I learned in dojos in real fights, and they worked.

As someone who has been in real fights, sparring matches, boxing matches with people that didn’t know what they were doing, boxing matches with people that did know what they were doing, been assaulted with a weapon, seen people (countless times) assaulted with weapons, been in grappling contests, etc., I can say that practice will indeed increase your chances of survival.

Under you shit logic, you can’t teach fighting or how to deal with violence. You should probably email the Armed Forces and the Police about this then, because they’re apparently doing it all wrong.

This is not worth responding to.

Absolutely untrue. Not all fighters are aggressive, per se, either. Aggressive fighters in the street make mistakes. Bored fighters end up winning.

Yea… so cops learn them because they like ballet? Right.

Blatant lie.

Hey dipshit, it’s because China, for the majority of its history, cut itself off from the outside world. It wasn’t until American troops were stationed in teh Far East for WWII that they brought these arts back here.

[quote]
A strike from a lance is more powerful than a karate chop. It’s as pointless as it would be to wrestle a bear. Get a small pistol and save yourself the trouble.

I have yet to see one mma combo that stops bullets.[/quote]

All countries and nationalities had their own form of martial arts. Western boxing, for quite a while during the 18-19th centuries, allowed far more grappling, making it nearly a complete martial art. India is famous for it’s wrestlers, the Greeks had Pankration, etc. All warriors, especially before firearms, needed to learn to use their hands. They still do, which is why MCMAP is currently taught in the USMC.

And guns don’t solve everything. Go look up teh Tueller study.

You, finally, have absolutely no fucking clue what you’re talking about. It’s best that you shut the fuck up and go back to your hole.

Nominal_Prospect · June 13, 2009, 8:42pm

[quote]Justscrap wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
SSC wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:

Dude, if all you think about is fighting people all the time - Like how these magic fights just “pop” out of no where - Then you’re not a ‘badass.’ You’re not ‘hardcore.’ You just have a serious inferiority complex.

You’ll probably realize this forty or fifty years down the road. But you may not make it that long, because you’ll be in Subway some day, getting a Meatball Mozzarella, and BAM. In walks Brock Lesnar and he just wants to FIGHT! Because, you know, fights just start anywhere.

I don’t walk around the streets looking for fights. But like I said, next time you go to a bar there maybe some drunk guy there just waiting to kick your ass. Next time you take a short cut home, you could get mugged. In these circumstances it’s always useful to know how to fight.

Who do you think a girl will feel safer and more comfortable around, An athletic ripped guy who can actually protect her, or some over-grown milk chugging meathead who likes to shave his chest and pose in thongs?

But hey, if you want to look like a bodybuilder that’s fine, that’s an issue between you and your psychologist. But just don’t be surprised when you next go to the beach flexing and what not and all the chicks turn away in disgust and admire the surfers instead.

For one bro you sound paranoid as hell. Two a girl will go with the guy she finds more attractive which often entails checking out the physique when you take personality out of the equation. I have never dated a girl who said what initially attracted to her me was that I could protected her from being mugged on the way home. I have had many that said they approached me at first because they liked my body. If you take the fact that Jacare is Brazilian and most chicks seem to go crazy over that I would bet most girls would go for the more muscular Greg Plitt instead of Jacare. When I am watching the UFC girls that I am with swoon over Sean Sherk’s bodybuilerisque physique more than Kenny’s athletic soccer player look. Notice the physiques on most romance novels. They are all bodybuilders.

Two being strong plays a big role in a confrontation. My sophmore year of highschool a football player who lifted a lot (held the school lifting records) and had the bodybuilder physique at a lean 215 pounds (girls absolutely hated him) joined the team. He was able to give most people trouble on the first day and after a month he was able to beat all except maybe one or two people. Combat sports developed weight classes for a reason. Boxing, wrestling, and pancration were called “heavy events” in Ancient Greece because typically the bigger and stronger guys would dominate. Interesting enough all the statues of these athletes look similar to bodybuilders. Of course if a smaller guy has a solid amount of experience and fights a bigger untrained guy he will win. But strength and size are not useless in a fight.

Finally why are you assuming that bodybuilders lack any athletic ability? Check out Andy Haman or watch the show American Gladiators in which bodybuilders play 90% of the gladiators. Here is a vid of girls being disgusted by Ken Yasuda’s bodybuilder physique Japan TV Show's with Ken Yasuda - YouTube
[/quote]

This is an accurate post.

There are far more women who hate muscularity on males than those who appreciate it.

Furthermore, the female standard of “muscularity” for males approximates a Men’s Health model, not Arnold.

There are guys who like to claim that “only girls hate muscle on guys; women love it.”

I’m sorry but this is pure bullshit. If I were to go outside and poll 40 year old women, I’d get near unanimous condemnation of male bodybuilders. In fact, it’s the younger girls who tend to go after the muscular guys more often.

Women read Vogue and similar magazines. What makes you think they are capable of appreciating a bodybuilder’s physique? If you think this, you are wrong. Women like older men and older men usually carry more size than young men, so this leads to a misconception that women like guys to be bulky.

As far as the male physique is concerned, women care about bone structure more than anything else. They place a huge emphasis on height because that is the most differentiating factor between the sexes.

Muscular guys usually get girls in spite of their physiques, not because of them. The vast majority of women will take a tall, skinny guy over a bodybuilder any day of the week. The majority of women would feel safer with a 6’ 170 lb. guy than a 5’8 180 lb. guy, even though the latter is obviously more dense and probably carries more muscle.

40 year old women look at Madonna and say, “That’s disgusting. She’s way too muscular.” So I don’t even know where you’re getting the idea that they would appreciate a bodybuilder’s physique. If you happen to be muscular, you’re not going to get most women to admit to you directly that they don’t like that appearance. In fact, they might tell you the opposite, just to avoid hurting your feelings.

Some women on sites like this may claim to appreciate male muscularity but I would bet nearly all of them are with taller men who don’t particularly resemble bodybuilders. If women truly appreciated male muscularity they’d go for shorter guys, which they don’t. A great way of approximating a man’s height before meeting him is to know whether he’s been married. If he has, he’s almost certainly 6’ tall or over. And if you learn his height before his marital status, and it happens to be 6’2 or over, you can bet that he is or has been hitched.

Bottom line: Ignore what women say and watch what they do.
You’re better off walking on stilts than lifting weights to get big.

quibble · June 13, 2009, 9:36pm

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
aussie101 wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
Hey, I know many people here lift because they think it’ll get them more ass, but the fact of the matter is that girls prefer leaner guys with abs, who are athletic.

So if you do pump iron for these reasons, you’d be better off doing a martial arts.

Guy in pic is the ideal physique.

oh man thanks so much for clearing that up. I’ve just been chilling in the gym lifting weights for years so I didn’t know, I’m not actually going to go out and find out a girls opinion on the matter until i’m olmypia stage ready. Yeah of course the girls would be more impressed by my ability to hurt other guys than if I was just big and ripped. And, although being a less effective form of exercise compared to training purely for looks I know that using a martial arts style of training will mean I won’t blow up into a ronnie coleman overnight.
And I’m so glad you included a picture of the ideal physique, I mean I thought all that shit was relative but you proved me wrong, thanks…

But seriously, how easy do you think it is to look massive? Training naturally most people will never look freakishly big, if someone is lifting purely for the girls then why would martial arts be better? It would just be a slower way to achieve a slightly worse physique. And yeah, you’d know how to fight, but I don’t live in downtown bagdad, the amount of times I’ve needed to fight in my adult (and teenage) life could be counted on one closed fist.

You never know where or when it’s going to kick off, even if you don’t go looking for a fight. When you’re waiting for a bus, at the mall, having a pint at your local, anywhere, i’ve seen it. And it doesn’t matter how big you are, if the guy knows how to fight, you’ll get your ass handed to you. Period.

And in general it’s better to have a decent physique, be in excellent condition and know how to fight than just have a useless heap of muscle. Having the ability to handle yourself definately increases real self confidence, Ever since I started training muay thai I walk tall everywhere I go cause it’s really satisfying that I know I can kick ass or at least handle my self anywhere I go.

And girls love self-confidence in a man. And tbh bodybuilder types just scream low-self esteem. That turns them off big time. Because they know it’s the pursuit of insecure guys who think they can make up for their lack of height and facial shortcomings.

Wow…the hypocrisy is golden in this one. Way to take away the momentum of calling HH on his regular troll bullshit.

But my boosted confidence is justifiable.
I agree with the OP when he said BBs just hide behind their muscles. They are delusional when they think it makes them look bold and tough, because it doesn’t. Just the other week I got into a fight with a bodybuilder type at a bar in town. He was cocky, very arrogant and thought his size meant he was untouchable and was just being a prick in geenral. He squared up to me and threw the first punch, but he couldn’t fight for shit, he was too bulky, slow and wasn’t trained for it.
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you are a fucking moron

quibble · June 13, 2009, 9:45pm

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Justscrap wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
SSC wrote:
Yolked Up wrote: