American Sugar Daddy Convention

Varqanir · September 5, 2013, 2:31am

[quote]debraD wrote:

Bah, I’ve managed fine without a meal ticket.
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Bully for you.

I’d offer you a cookie, but you might get the mistaken impression I was trying to fuck you.

Men get fucked by their wives’ divorce lawyers because they marry vindictive, acquisitive women, not because they take their wives out to dinner. Are you implying that their wives would not have divorced them if only the men had forced them to pay for their own goddamned food?

Whatever. I’m not actually trying to convince you that it’s a good model, just observing the reasons it might still be around.

Prof · September 5, 2013, 3:19am

[quote]debraD wrote:
Interesting.

I am wondering if it’s American culture or the kind of chicks you guys are going for. I don’t think I’m that special =)

That said I do recall when I was about 19 arguing with a co-worker after she was complaining about her boyfriend being a chauvinist and expecting her to cook and clean when he was such a gentleman while they were dating, buying her everything… and I was like ‘and this is a surprise to you???’ I mean we were in both in a union job making close to 50k a year and she was only 22 or so. No good reason to need to have a guy paying your way! But the same place another co-worker expressed shock that I didn’t make my boyfriend’s lunch and I was WTF?? Here we were being pioneers taking on jobs never before done by women and yet…

Until recently I’ve never had a guy buy my meal unless we were already shacked up and then it was just because it all comes out of the same pot after a certain point. Now I occasionally share a lunch with male colleagues and who pays depends on a few things but basically business.[/quote]

Deb sounds like both Oblivious and I are having different experiences than you. I’m 27 and it seems like most of the time I go out with women under 30 I end up paying. But I always offer, even insist on the first date. And women (girls) under 30 are more than fine with that. But I grew up in a small coutnry town with two sisters and that’s just the way we did things haha.

debraD · September 5, 2013, 3:29am

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

Bah, I’ve managed fine without a meal ticket.
[/quote]

Bully for you.

I’d offer you a cookie, but you might get the mistaken impression I was trying to fuck you.

Men get fucked by their wives’ divorce lawyers because they marry vindictive, acquisitive women, not because they take their wives out to dinner. Are you implying that their wives would not have divorced them if only the men had forced them to pay for their own goddamned food?

Whatever. I’m not actually trying to convince you that it’s a good model, just observing the reasons it might still be around. [/quote]

I’m saying that a woman who has the means to pay for herself but declines to might not be the highest quality mate or might be a little too comfortable being carried. If someone is ok with that deal then all is well but I suspect most are not ok with that deal in a modern marriage once the divorce comes along.

My ‘bah’ is to this idea that we’re biologically bound to semi-modern dating practices. Perhaps they explain the existence but it certainly isn’t a constraint.

debraD · September 5, 2013, 3:39am

[quote]Prof wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Interesting.

I am wondering if it’s American culture or the kind of chicks you guys are going for. I don’t think I’m that special =)

That said I do recall when I was about 19 arguing with a co-worker after she was complaining about her boyfriend being a chauvinist and expecting her to cook and clean when he was such a gentleman while they were dating, buying her everything… and I was like ‘and this is a surprise to you???’ I mean we were in both in a union job making close to 50k a year and she was only 22 or so. No good reason to need to have a guy paying your way! But the same place another co-worker expressed shock that I didn’t make my boyfriend’s lunch and I was WTF?? Here we were being pioneers taking on jobs never before done by women and yet…

Until recently I’ve never had a guy buy my meal unless we were already shacked up and then it was just because it all comes out of the same pot after a certain point. Now I occasionally share a lunch with male colleagues and who pays depends on a few things but basically business.[/quote]

Deb sounds like both Oblivious and I are having different experiences than you. I’m 27 and it seems like most of the time I go out with women under 30 I end up paying. But I always offer, even insist on the first date. And women (girls) under 30 are more than fine with that. But I grew up in a small coutnry town with two sisters and that’s just the way we did things haha. [/quote]

No disrespect of course! But it sounds like you guys are living in the past century.

However, my experience is only my own and I have no idea what women around here do or expect since was never on their dates, only my own. I’ve had a few girlfriends I know were keen on getting wined and dined but they were clearly a type that I would tell any man I cared about to stay far away from, not because they took a dinner but because they were of poor character. This is distinctly different from a couple who have a disparity in income and one pays the bills more than the other.

I sense I’m going to get some resistance to these comments…

csulli · September 5, 2013, 3:53am

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sense I’m going to get some resistance to these comments…
[/quote]
Date offers more likely.

Varqanir · September 5, 2013, 4:00am

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
… hot young Asian cock. [/quote]

An oxymoron?[/quote]

These are Balinese surfer dudes, slightly different species from your average skinny, pasty Japanese 20-something otaku dorks.

Prof · September 5, 2013, 4:08am

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I sense I’m going to get some resistance to these comments…
[/quote]
Date offers more likely.[/quote]

Bingo

Prof · September 5, 2013, 4:09am

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Prof wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Interesting.

I am wondering if it’s American culture or the kind of chicks you guys are going for. I don’t think I’m that special =)

That said I do recall when I was about 19 arguing with a co-worker after she was complaining about her boyfriend being a chauvinist and expecting her to cook and clean when he was such a gentleman while they were dating, buying her everything… and I was like ‘and this is a surprise to you???’ I mean we were in both in a union job making close to 50k a year and she was only 22 or so. No good reason to need to have a guy paying your way! But the same place another co-worker expressed shock that I didn’t make my boyfriend’s lunch and I was WTF?? Here we were being pioneers taking on jobs never before done by women and yet…

Until recently I’ve never had a guy buy my meal unless we were already shacked up and then it was just because it all comes out of the same pot after a certain point. Now I occasionally share a lunch with male colleagues and who pays depends on a few things but basically business.[/quote]

Deb sounds like both Oblivious and I are having different experiences than you. I’m 27 and it seems like most of the time I go out with women under 30 I end up paying. But I always offer, even insist on the first date. And women (girls) under 30 are more than fine with that. But I grew up in a small coutnry town with two sisters and that’s just the way we did things haha. [/quote]

No disrespect of course! But it sounds like you guys are living in the past century.

However, my experience is only my own and I have no idea what women around here do or expect since was never on their dates, only my own. I’ve had a few girlfriends I know were keen on getting wined and dined but they were clearly a type that I would tell any man I cared about to stay far away from, not because they took a dinner but because they were of poor character. This is distinctly different from a couple who have a disparity in income and one pays the bills more than the other.

I sense I’m going to get some resistance to these comments…
[/quote]

Are you in a big city? Have you always been driven, independent, and successful of your own accord? Because those are the women that
A. are a catch
and B. are the ones who offer/insist on paying. Which is cool too haha

Sutebun · September 5, 2013, 6:47am

Went out with this girl a couple months ago who told me pretty much all her past boyfriends had been like 10 plus years older. She is 25 and I’m 26.

Immediately in my head I was just like “damn, so you wouldn’t have to pay for dates?”

Anyway, where are the sugar mommas? Buy my supps and pay my gym membership fee and I’ll look good for you naked.

angry_chicken · September 5, 2013, 7:27am

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hertzyscowicz wrote:
Personally I’d be leery of letting one of these ladies anywhere near my children, much less let her share responsibility in raising them.

Of course, if a man insists on propagating his genome with an over-priced and under-honest whore, that’s really his problem as long as he doesn’t spill any of that on me.[/quote]

Au contraire mon frere! These whores are being COMPLETELY honest!

ALL relationships are transactional. What’s the difference between taking a woman out to eat and paying for it and just giving her the $60? The conversation? The fact that you MIGHT NOT get laid?

And what is alimony if not legal extortion?

I’m not in the habbit of “directly” paying for sex, but if it were legal, it would make a LOT more financial sense for men than the current state of things. Think about it - you marry a woman and after you get married she stops giving you blow jobs and only gives up the pussy twice a month. You do that for five years or so, she files for divorce and takes half your shit. That’s about 120 sexual encounters spread over five years in exchange half a man’s net worth… PLUS you have to feed her, clothe her, shelter her, buy her purses and shoes and shit and cover her medical expenses - It’s FAR cheaper to get a whore by the hour.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised but I am that it sounds like the ritual of the man buying dinner for the woman is still a common practice.

I’m not exactly young but I’ve known since I hit puberty that that was a set up so it seems crazy to me that anyone who doesn’t want to buy a ho or be a ho would partake.

Or am I getting the wrong impression here? Do you guys typically pay when dating? How about the younger guys? If you do that might explain a few things :)[/quote]

Can’t speak for the younger guys, but I always pay when I invite someone. Male or female. And NO I’m not always trying to fuck everyone I invite somewhere!

If someone invited me to dinner, or to an event of some kind, I would assume they were paying (but I would be prepared to pay my share if I felt it appropriate).

It’s funny when I’m out with some of my close friends, we all fight for the check. Some of them have gone to great lengths to “get” the check before the rest of us.

As for expecting sex from dinner, I have plenty of depth in my “seduction repertoire” to where I don’t need to take a woman to dinner or <<>> to have sex with her. If I take someone to dinner, it’s because I enjoy thier company and wish to explore their personality in a comfortable setting. Historically, this attitude has led to many an enchanting evening, which could lead to sex if I chose to take it that way. But that is not always the case.

Varqanir · September 5, 2013, 8:42am

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Can’t speak for the younger guys, but I always pay when I invite someone. Male or female. And NO I’m not always trying to fuck everyone I invite somewhere!

If someone invited me to dinner, or to an event of some kind, I would assume they were paying (but I would be prepared to pay my share if I felt it appropriate).

It’s funny when I’m out with some of my close friends, we all fight for the check. Some of them have gone to great lengths to “get” the check before the rest of us.

As for expecting sex from dinner, I have plenty of depth in my “seduction repertoire” to where I don’t need to take a woman to dinner or <<>> to have sex with her. If I take someone to dinner, it’s because I enjoy thier company and wish to explore their personality in a comfortable setting. Historically, this attitude has led to many an enchanting evening, which could lead to sex if I chose to take it that way. But that is not always the case.[/quote]

Living in Asia, one fights for the check a lot when going out with friends. In Hong Kong and Indonesia more so than Japan. It’s a status thing, I suppose: it just seems low-class to go Dutch… which is kind of funny, since Indonesia was a Dutch colony.

As far as the man paying for a dinner date, primate mating ritual explanations aside, I don’t know if it’s a generation thing or a cultural thing, but I agree with Angry Chicken. If I ask a lady out to dinner, I wouldn’t consider making her pay for her food. It just doesn’t seem right. And no, there’s no implicit expectation of sex in return: there is a certain inherent satisfaction in providing something for someone that you care about, and as long as nobody feels taken advantage of, or an obligation unfairly put on them, then I don’t see the harm.

Of course, I also open doors for women and offer to carry heavy stuff for them so I suppose that makes me a caveman.

angry_chicken · September 5, 2013, 9:33am

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Can’t speak for the younger guys, but I always pay when I invite someone. Male or female. And NO I’m not always trying to fuck everyone I invite somewhere!

If someone invited me to dinner, or to an event of some kind, I would assume they were paying (but I would be prepared to pay my share if I felt it appropriate).

It’s funny when I’m out with some of my close friends, we all fight for the check. Some of them have gone to great lengths to “get” the check before the rest of us.

As for expecting sex from dinner, I have plenty of depth in my “seduction repertoire” to where I don’t need to take a woman to dinner or <<>> to have sex with her. If I take someone to dinner, it’s because I enjoy thier company and wish to explore their personality in a comfortable setting. Historically, this attitude has led to many an enchanting evening, which could lead to sex if I chose to take it that way. But that is not always the case.[/quote]

Living in Asia, one fights for the check a lot when going out with friends. In Hong Kong and Indonesia more so than Japan. It’s a status thing, I suppose: it just seems low-class to go Dutch… which is kind of funny, since Indonesia was a Dutch colony.

As far as the man paying for a dinner date, primate mating ritual explanations aside, I don’t know if it’s a generation thing or a cultural thing, but I agree with Angry Chicken. If I ask a lady out to dinner, I wouldn’t consider making her pay for her food. It just doesn’t seem right. And no, there’s no implicit expectation of sex in return: there is a certain inherent satisfaction in providing something for someone that you care about, and as long as nobody feels taken advantage of, or an obligation unfairly put on them, then I don’t see the harm.

Of course, I also open doors for women and offer to carry heavy stuff for them so I suppose that makes me a caveman.
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I’m the same breed of caveman. What horrible misogynistic creatures we are.

McMatas · September 5, 2013, 9:51am

[quote]Sutebun wrote:
Anyway, where are the sugar mommas? Buy my supps and pay my gym membership fee and I’ll look good for you naked.[/quote]

Believe it or not… Those are out there.
But women are (at least from what I’ve seen) a lot more picky. And the list of requirements is a lot longer then that of suggar daddys (look good and put out whenever). Probably that’s why there aren’t all that many of them suggar mommas - their standarts are very high. If you got everything that it takes to become a sqeeze boy for one of them - you are probably able to make a living on your own. Maybe not all that luxurious living, but at least no strings attached.
Fun for a while though.

coolnatedawg · September 5, 2013, 3:24pm