I’m actually just reading your words in the thread on Trump’s position on this.
I didn’t say that you’re making it up. I said it was risky for him to take a stance and a precedent exists for athletes to speak out and lose their jobs. You seem to think it’s no big deal if he loses his job because he has money. But that’s pretty poor thinking. Perhaps he doesn’t want to lose his job and if so his silence makes rational sense.
Honestly I don’t care for him one way or the other really. I just think it’s stupid to hold a basketball coach to a higher standard than the President, wealthy corporations, and the owners of the NBA who are forcing silence on the people who work for them.
And it’s doubly stupid to hold him to a higher standard simply because he has been critical of the President in the past. Which is the only reason this topic exists.
That’s all I’ve really been saying. I’ve said multiple times I’m not defending his silence. Merely the idea that people are giving so much attention to his silence and ignoring the fact that people with way more power and influence are doing the same.
Having an opinion on Kerr’s actions in a thread where Kerr’s actions are relevant de facto means that I hold him to a higher standard than The President of The United States. This seems to be how the line of thinking goes.
I’ll be sure to preface any future opinions on other people or topics by first sharing my complete thoughts on the President.
How would I ever sort out my own thoughts without people who can read my mind over the internet?
Look man, it’s pretty clear by now if you don’t explicitly state “Fuck Trump” at the beginning of every one of your posts, then you’re implicitly supporting that abomination of a human being. Clearly. And if you hold an opinion that in any way, shape, or form is critical of ANYONE who opposes Trump you have to throw in AT LEAST two "Fuck Trump"s scattered throughout your post or else you’re admitting you would have Trump’s babies. Clearly.
I’ll be sure to post a video of the Trump hexing ritual I took part in with some Wiccans who showed up to the bar on one of my shifts and also didn’t wear bras. I mean, can you really say you oppose Trump if you’re not willing to embrace the dark arts to stop him with some gals who seemed like they might be down for a threesome?
I don’t think you are seeing @twojarslave’s point, which I think is valid. Kerr has publicly made statements against something (virtue signaled) and criticized others for something… which he is now doing. It’s easy to criticize others for an act, up until it directly impacts you.
I really haven’t looked into this, but appreciate the point jarslave made.
Good lord this is no different than Pat crying about people bringing up Trumps view on this subject. My point was simply that it makes little sense for me to call out a basketball coach for his silence when the actual President is doing the same thing.
I would think the right would be happy that Kerr is doing the same thing as Trump. The right is literally calling out someone for taking the same stance as Trump. Or saying it’s not Trumps job to stand up for them what about that Steve Kerr dude!
Is “Virtue Signaling” supposed to be some exclusive trait of the left? (It is not).
Is “Identity Politics” supposed to be some exclusive trait of the left? (It SURE as hell isn’t).
Where were the screams of both during the eight years of President Obama; when the Right exhibited both on almost a daily basis?
And I have gotten to the point of not giving a shit if one supports Kerr, or Labron or Trump. However; when you support or ridicule someone…check yourself and look at your own hypocrisy.
This ridiculous line of thought can be applied to any occasion someone does something that merits comment.
Your boss is cheating on his wife with an intern, you say?
Well, that just seems silly to comment on. It doesn’t make any sense for you to comment on that WHEN THE GUY YOU VOTED FOR DID THE SAME THING! Why aren’t you denouncing the President in this thread about your philandering boss?
It’s absurd. I’ve written all of one or two sentences about Trump in this thread. They were in replies to your Trump-oriented responses to my posts that had nothing to do with Trump. 2000 words later and you’re somehow able to read my mind. Amazing.
You didn’t just “comment” on Kerr…you painted him has one the worst hypocrites the world has ever known, with a clarity I’ve rarely (if ever) seen you direct at Trump.
Hey…that’s okay. I’m much more critical of Trump than I was (or am) of President Obama. The difference is I own it.
It’s not even remotely absurd. You’re mad that a basketball coach isn’t saying something is fine. But me pointing out that the actual President doing the exact same thing is a crazy line of thinking. Cmon man it’s hardly weird to say “it’s a shame Kerr is being silent. And a far bigger one that wealthy corporations and the President are doing the same.”
I’m not trying to read your mind. I’m simply saying from your words in this thread you don’t care that businesses stay silent. And maybe you do care if the President does but when it was brought up you said well that’s his character and he’s taken other unpopular stances. Now back to that rich guy who doesn’t want to lose his job!
It’s insane that people are acting like it’s out of line to bring up our highest elected official saying nothing in this thread. I mean everyone can continue with the hyperbole train and act like people are waiting for someone to say fuck Trump. It’s not happening. My entire point hasn’t changed. The right is calling Steve Kerr a coward for not speaking out while the President and big business remain silent. It’s by no means an absurd line of thinking to point out that hypocrisy no matter how much anyone tries to twist my words.
I appreciate the compliment. I certainly didn’t go out of my way to misrepresent Mr. Kerr’s actions in any way. Perhaps the picture of hypocrisy is clear because of his actions, not my wonderful choice of words.
I don’t give Trump much thought. I don’t follow the news very closely and there’s little I have to add to any of the Trump threads besides an occasional joke or fake Trump tweet. I know he’s a mixed bag, he’s a guy I wouldn’t be friends with and I don’t find many of his qualities to be admirable.
I’ve written extensively about the many policy positions of the Democrats I find deeply problematic, but those are issues I’ve actually bothered to put time into understanding and form an opinion I think adds something to the discussion.
I already know what I’m getting with Trump. I don’t feel that spending my time pondering his tweets or listening to someone else tell me what they think about him does much for me. I’ll probably vote for him again, unless some miracle candidate emerges or if Tulsi Gabbard somehow wins the nomination. Then I’d have something to think about.
I only vote for President once every four years, after all. Nothing I say or do in between those moments will have any meaningful political impact, so its just not something I spend my time on. Some topics here and there may spark my attention, others don’t. I don’t owe you or anyone else the effort it takes to comment meaningfully on all of the issues you feel are necessary to reconcile your opinion of my opinion.
That’s why I’m much more up-to-date on the NBA (including Mr. Kerr’s very public statements), especially because it’s looking like Tacko Fall will be playing for the Maine Red Claws this season. Talk about a fantastic kid. It’s Tacko Time!!!
So there you have it. My nearly complete thoughts on Trump at this moment in time.
I understand some people follow politics in much the same way I pursue jiu jitsu, follow basketball or devote time to any other interest of mine. That’s fine, we all have topics and activities that draw our attention.
What I don’t do is draw inferences about people’s motivations and thoughts because they choose not to comment on this or that, which is exactly what you and @H_factor are doing in this thread.
Not at all, but I definitely see more of it from the left in my circles. I’d say my circle is roughly evenly split between conservatives, liberals and in the middle/unopinionated people. The lefties are just the loudest at the moment when it comes to broadcasting empty platitudes and vacuous statements backed up by nothing more than a tap on the screen.
When I think of virtue signalling, I think of empty words floating across various media with the intention of demonstrating your virtue without actually doing anything virtuous. It’s a new problem because we’ve just now gained the ability to do stuff like this on this scale. Mr. Kerr provides us with a good example of how you look in public after you choose to eat a shit sandwich after running your mouth about how much better you are than people who don’t share your opinion or vote the same way.
In fact, you can almost say that virtue signalers of the judgmental variety share the same characteristic of drawing their own inferences about the thoughts and motivations of people who don’t agree with you, just like we’ve seen in this thread.
Such as this new comment…
I’m not mad. I have a problem with Kerr’s behavior, as I do anytime people want to infer someone else’s motivations for voting this way or that, conclude that they’re bad people and declare one’s self the moral superior. But it has not gotten me upset.
Not exclusive no, but orders of magnitude more prominent. Identity politics is a core element of the Democratic party platform and the rhetoric they use to advance it. You can get college degrees in fields of study that revolve around left wing identity politics at most major universities. I know, I know, you can get a degree in economics too. Same stuff on both sides, I get it.
And here we are, back to this same notion that keeps popping up in this thread. Reading minds by drawing your own inferences about what someone chooses to comment on or not.
My apologies and not my intention. I simply view the “controversy” of his silence as started by the right wing blogs merely because he criticized dear leader previously.
It’s inconsequential that Kerr stays silent because his bosses tell him he needs to. His speaking out wouldn’t change anything. It’s a much bigger deal that the big corporations and President stay silent. If anyone needs to be called out over not saying anything Kerr’s pretty far down the line.