Because I don’t take notice when a company goes about their business without lecturing the rest of us about morality. That’s what I try to do in business. Given that I’m a fan of the NBA, I couldn’t help but take notice when Mr. Kerr felt compelled to use his prominence to loudly virtue signal his opinions and lecture the rest of us on morality.
I notice stuff like that.
What Kerr did was a lot more than commenting, it was condemning other people. “We’re better than this”. “I’m ashamed”, “How dare you”, crap like that. That’s a far cry from Michael Jordan telling kids to stay in school, avoid drugs and buy his merchandise.
Because he left his professional lane to go on a moral crusade, positioning himself as a paragon of virtue while condemning those who didn’t see thing the same way he did.
It’s not that hard to wrap your head around, really.
Maybe, maybe not. I know some people who will put it on the line, but those are people who have good character.
You’re making this out to be way more than it is. Steve Kerr and some other loud and obnoxious virtue-signalers just ate a shit sandwich in public by towing the line of a totalitarian communist regime right after they finished lecturing us on morality. That’s the story here, but you’re free to read into whatever motivations you’d like to attribute to me, my thoughts on Trump, and the larger virtue signalling community.
They don’t do it because it can hurt their bottom line. They care more about profits than speaking out about injustices. And yet Kerr does the same one on topic and you’re mad at him? Who actually has the power to change things? Kerr doesn’t. These massive corporations do.
So exercising his first amendment right in a way you don’t like.
Ok so you’re a shut up and dribble guy. Again why isn’t he allowed to speak his mind? If you agreed with his previous comments the right wouldn’t care in the least bit. It’s only because they don’t like his previous comments that they care here. You know this is true. It’s why he is getting attacked and not others.
I don’t think so. I’m the one saying who gives a shit what a basketball coach says. And you’re saying it’s more important than his superiors staying silent, the President, and the wealthiest corporations doing business with these people.
Whose actually toeing that line? And who can actually effect change? You’re not mad at the people who can do something about it like the President or big corporations but you are mad at the Warriors coach because you disagree with his previous thoughts. Does that make sense?
I’d say when you said you don’t mind businesses and the President saying nothing. You said generally you don’t care if businesses shut up and do business in China and that it’s in character for Trump to stay silent and that’s evidence he isn’t a coward. If Kerr’s a coward for not speaking out how can one come to the conclusion that businesses and Trump aren’t cowards if they do what he does.
And I’m just pointing out that someone who is inconsequential in effecting change is being lambasted for trying not to get fired. While the people who can effect change aren’t receiving the same scrutiny. And the ONLY reason the right cares is they don’t like his opinions. You know that much is true. If he was pro gun and licked Trumps boots publicly he’d never be on a right wing blog for staying silent here.
I’ve even said it would kick ass if he said something. I’m not defending his silence. Just the idea that people would get outraged at a coaches silence and think it’s more significant than the President’s or corporations.
Kerr can’t change a damn thing about the situation no matter what he says. Corporations and the President can. It’s undoubtedly a bigger deal if they are silent than if the Warriors coach is. Honestly I don’t see how anyone could conclude otherwise. But that’s not who we’re mad at. And the only reason we’re mad at that dude is his criticism of Trump.
Taking a stand politically as a coach or athlete is risky. Colin K did and it ended his career. And the right was perfectly happy that his expression lead to that. Maybe they are secretly hoping Kerr would do the same and receive the same treatment by his employers.
nba likes the cash that comes from china no doubt…kinda like slaves tom the almighty dollar sadly. lebron spoke like a fool today really. nba so scared of losing revenue. hong kong trying to separate from china rule. thats not a bad thing. china is pure evil. shame
Okay. Let’s run with that. How were you able to ascertain the relative importance I place on Mr. Kerr, who is part of an American Company presently Caving to Chinese Censorship and directly pertinent to the thread, and President Trump, who is the President?
Is it now?
What hardships do you expect Mr. Kerr might endure in the worst-case scenario?
They didn’t have to speak up when north Korea launched a cyber attack over a movie, but they did.
I can’t beleive the left leaning folk are supporting big business doing something wrong that hurts regular citizens in Hong Kong and you support the Chinese government and the companies looking to make a buck on the backs of protesters who are fighting for their very freedom, while big business enriches themselves bowing to a classically evil power in China.
I thought most people with a conscious would support the protesters, not the evil regime bringing them to heel. Boy was I wrong. The left here support any evil action so long as they can bitch about Trump. Will you still support them if they invade Hong Kong?
Hypocrites you are!
How dare you! The only person that matters in this whole world is Trump. And if Trump supports the protesters, you must support China or you a Trump minion.
Well I am not sure, but idiot LeBron put in his 2 cents and Hong Kong protesters are burning his effigies and calling him a traitor. I belive the protesters they are the ones just by this. Never much liked basketball, I am sure they won’t miss me.
Sounds to me like. There is a portion of this country who is willing to over look the ills of an evil despicable government in order to push an anti Trump agenda.
What if a company openly supported the election of Trump, I am sure you would use every means necessary to destroy that company for expressing their option. But fuck Hing Kong.
When you said it’s not a big deal for businesses to remain silent and dismissed Trumps silence with a typical “Trump gonna Trump man.” Maybe you think Kerr being silent is less of a big deal than those two butn you wouldn’t know it from this thread. You’ve already said you don’t think businesses need to do anything (which is fine I’ve just been using them as people who could actually make change).
Lose his job. I already showed an example of an athlete who lost his job over his stance. I didn’t mean risky as in he may die.
But as I’ve said this only matters because Kerr has been critical of the Trump administration. Zero chance if he had consistently praised Trump that the right wing blogs would be calling him out here. But God knows they aren’t calling out Trump even if he does the same thing.
We’re getting circular and I’ve already said I wish he would say something. But I can understand why he doesn’t. And think he’s pretty trivial compared to the people who can stand up and actually do something. He can just give an opinion. Trump and corporations can do something.
No shit huh? But you didn’t expect people to bring up the fucking Presidents stance on it? I mean you defend him everywhere else but now just want people not to talk about how he’s doing exactly what you’re mad at others for doing.
That’s some type of hyperbole even for you. Who has supported China in here? Why would I support them if they invade Hong Kong if I don’t support them in the first place. Your panties are in a bunch because people pointed out the President is saying nothing. You can pretend that’s not important to the thread but you’re the only one who thinks that.
Think about what you’re saying please. You’re saying a portion of the country isn’t standing up to the Chinese to support an anti Trump agenda. Currently silence is the Trump agenda and anyone who is doing the same is following his lead not running counter to it. In your blindness to support him at all costs you’ve lost the ability to think clearly on this. You’ve went from “don’t talk about Trumps silence talk about someone else’s” to these people aren’t saying things to hurt Trump.
They aren’t saying anything because we think profits are way more important than people. Trump isn’t saying anything because he doesn’t give a shit about Hong Kong if it gets in the way of a trade deal on a trade war he started.
Yeah you’re just making up shit here yet again. No one has said anything to even remotely make you think that people feel that way on here. But invent away!
Don’t be absurd. When has Western media ignored the protests? I have been following the protests since Day 1. If anything, the Western media has been accused of being one sided.
“Many say they are so scared of the young men and women they see dressed in black — the protesters’ preferred colour — that they have stopped speaking Mandarin in public to avoid being targeted.”
South China Morning Post is Hong Kong newspaper which is considered LIBERAL. Not LEFT. LIBERAL.
The protests got noticed internationally because spokespersons for the protest cited a 2 million turnout. The police estimated 300,000.
This large protest was sparked off by the police using tear gas at a previous peaceful protest. I wrote in the other Hong Kong thread about the public’s attitude towards the police. This is something that has been there since British Rule.
The Extradition Bill was finally retracted but the protesters doubled down and asked for 5 Demands:
Full withdrawal of the extradition bill - met
A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality - improbable under British Rule
Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” - improbable under British Rule
Amnesty for arrested protesters - improbable under British Rule
Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive - was never granted under British Rule
Large scale protests are now purportedly in the 10s of thousands and there are specific triggers such as the aforementioned mask ban and passing of the US Bill yesterday.
What makes you think the protesters speak for ALL HONGKONGERS? Half of my friends living in Hongkong are fine with China. They were against the anti-extradition bill and that was it.
They just keep their mouths shut because they’re afraid of being SHUT DOWN by PRO DEMOCRACY activists. They don’t post their views online because they will get MOBBED.
What does this look like to you?
I am in the pro-democracy camp. But don’t act like this is some kind indication of a person’s morality. These things are a lot more complicated than they look.
We’ve not even covered the actual social problems in HK which are a result of lack of welfare, housing prices, overpopulation, corruption, income disparity etc.
It’s amazing how you’re able to read my mind on Trump from my comments in a thread about someone else.
I also find it interesting that you believe a job loss would be a hardship for Kerr, with 10s of millions in career earnings.
Do you think he would need to turn the heat down this winter, scrape by on potatoes and butcher scraps and let those doctor bills slide until he gets his tax return?
Never have I spent more words calling one guy an asshole. It’s obvious you like him a lot more than I do, so we can agree to disagree on how we think about virtue signaling moral crusaders who only open their mouths when literally nothing is on the line.
Not taking about Kerr per se, but having a lot of money or being a super rich athlete does not magically prevent one from being bullied by a vengeful dictator. Here’s Enes Kanter’s take on LeBron James’ China stance:
