Amazing Strength Video

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Very impressive but; his RELATIVE strength and that of gymnasts generally, is extremely high…he is also relatively light and has no lower body/leg bulk. He probably weighs about 175 or less. Impressive yes, but not the “strongest”…they probably rate the highest though in terms of relative strength.

How would that athletes relative strength be greater than a 175 pound Olympic lifter?

What criteria are you using?

And I doubt that he is 175. He looks more like 155. Keep in mind his legs are small compared to his upper body.[/quote]

Do we argue just to argue here?? I don’t disagree with the 155 - he probably is…I was being generous to err on the side of caution just to make a point c- and my point that they probably rate high was just that - a point, not an observation that they are relatively stronger than OLY lifters…because I don’t believe they are. And I said he had no lower body bulk…just what is your point???

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[quote]delta9 wrote:
It’s just not right to say any one athlete, is stronger/better/faster than all the others. Although I bet the Gold Medal decathalon winner is one of the best well rounded…

Anyways, I think the reason that people feel that a strong gymnast is so impressive, is because everyone can relate and believe they could have been a great gymnast. So for them, a person that is able to perform these feats of strength using their bodyweight, is more impressive than a man able to clean and jerk 500+ lbs. Not everyone can be the strongest man in the world, they just may not be born big enough. But you take a little kid and show him the ropes in gymnastics or any sport for that matter, and given enough work they may be the next world champ.

To put this opinion in a frame of reference, I was a competitive gymnast when I was young. Now I am an aspiring olympic lifter (my first meet will be in late june).

With that said, I have been training in a powerlifting gym lately, and something has dawned on me. No matter what I do, I will never lift the heaviest weight ever. Now to be honest I don’t really mind, because I just love the feeling of lifting. But it is a little disappointing to realize, that I can never be the best out there. Maybe for my weight class or something (not likely haha), but I want to be the best ever. This may be a reason for the lack of popularity in weightlifting (I said weightlifting, not bodybuilding). In gymnastics, its just you and your body and how you control it. Nothing can hinder you but your mind.

Now you could say that I also would never be a NFL running back, and I would probably have to agree with you. But somewhere deep down inside I believe that I could be a good enough football player and be fast enough (yes I would do a lot of lifting to help…) to be the best damn running back they have ever seen.

Wishful thoughts,
-Josh [/quote]

I kind of like where you’re coming from on this, probably because I can relate to it. However, you mentioned that nothing can hinder you but your mind. This is as true now as it was then. You body has an incredible capacity that remains untapped. The trick is learning how to untap it to get that “lifting a truck to free your child” kind of strength. Remember, whether you think you can, or think you can’t, you’re probably right.

Mojo

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Interesting post, yes.
Fun to watch, yes.

Amazing strength, not quite. We see it every four years, or more, depending on your love of the sport.

It WOULD be amazing strength if he weighed, like 250+lbs.

Thanks for the video, though:) I did enjoy it.

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Interesting post, yes.
Fun to watch, yes.

Amazing strength, not quite. We see it every four years, or more, depending on your love of the sport.

It WOULD be amazing strength if he weighed, like 250+lbs.

Thanks for the video, though:) I did enjoy it.[/quote]

LOL, what a joke. Go read this article, think about it for a second and then realize that “Amazing strength, not quite” is a load of crap.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=512003

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Hey, I know this guy :slight_smile: This is a compatriot of mine - Jordan Yovchev. He is a Bulgarian. We were actually born in the same cities. He now lives in Houston, I believe, but a few years ago he was having a vacation and returned to Plovdiv in Bulgaria - my hometown (and his as well). I met him while he was working out at the gym where I go - Muscle Art. And, boy, was he STRONG. He weighs like 150 pounds but had astonishing strength.

How about that - he did some curls with 65 pound dumbbels in each hand. He did 165 pounds press-behind-the-neck smooth and easy for reps. I won’t tell you about chins or any other bar exercise - the guy did five strict chins with two 45 pound plates hanging from his waist and didn’t even break a sweat! I’m telling you he is a BEAST.

And what’s this bullshit that gymnasts are not the strongest? I’m a powerlifter and in powerlifting we measure relative strength - that’s why we have weight classes. Well, I am yet to see a powerlifter weighing 150 pounds do such weights. I was impressed - there was I weighing 235 pounds, bench pressing 400 and this little guy who is a bit taller than my elbow level and yet amazingly strong. When it comes to relative strength weightlifters and gymnasts rule. We powerlifters use too much gear. In Bulgaria there are a lot of weightlifters as well. You should see them train. How about a 175 pound guy getting a clean olympic style (that means ass to grass) 660 pound squat with nothing more than a belt on him. I’ve witnessed this with my own eyes! It’s fucking amazing!!! The irony is that this guy is only a mediocre weightlifter in Bulgaria and didn’t even make the national team - he’s got poor technique I think.

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It’s easy to accomplish all your life ambitions, just set your expectations low.

Keep setting your sights high buddy!

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does anybody have the youtube address for that powerlifting video thats 9 minutes long…i have been searchin for it and can never find it again

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[quote]bogyman wrote:
Hey, I know this guy :slight_smile: This is a compatriot of mine - Jordan Yovchev. He is a Bulgarian. We were actually born in the same cities. He now lives in Houston, I believe, but a few years ago he was having a vacation and returned to Plovdiv in Bulgaria - my hometown (and his as well). I met him while he was working out at the gym where I go - Muscle Art. And, boy, was he STRONG. He weighs like 150 pounds but had astonishing strength.

How about that - he did some curls with 65 pound dumbbels in each hand. He did 165 pounds press-behind-the-neck smooth and easy for reps. I won’t tell you about chins or any other bar exercise - the guy did five strict chins with two 45 pound plates hanging from his waist and didn’t even break a sweat! I’m telling you he is a BEAST.

And what’s this bullshit that gymnasts are not the strongest? I’m a powerlifter and in powerlifting we measure relative strength - that’s why we have weight classes. Well, I am yet to see a powerlifter weighing 150 pounds do such weights. I was impressed - there was I weighing 235 pounds, bench pressing 400 and this little guy who is a bit taller than my elbow level and yet amazingly strong. When it comes to relative strength weightlifters and gymnasts rule. We powerlifters use too much gear. In Bulgaria there are a lot of weightlifters as well. You should see them train. How about a 175 pound guy getting a clean olympic style (that means ass to grass) 660 pound squat with nothing more than a belt on him. I’ve witnessed this with my own eyes! It’s fucking amazing!!! The irony is that this guy is only a mediocre weightlifter in Bulgaria and didn’t even make the national team - he’s got poor technique I think.[/quote]

  1. curlings 65 dumbells and doing chins with 90 at 150 is good, but not amazing.
  2. A 175 guy could clean 660 pounds and has poor technique?? Not possible. I also highly doubt he could clean anywhere near that much. THe olympic record for super heavyweights in the clean and jerk is not even 600 lbs.
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[quote]MikeSh wrote:
bogyman wrote:
Hey, I know this guy :slight_smile: This is a compatriot of mine - Jordan Yovchev. He is a Bulgarian. We were actually born in the same cities. He now lives in Houston, I believe, but a few years ago he was having a vacation and returned to Plovdiv in Bulgaria - my hometown (and his as well). I met him while he was working out at the gym where I go - Muscle Art. And, boy, was he STRONG. He weighs like 150 pounds but had astonishing strength.

How about that - he did some curls with 65 pound dumbbels in each hand. He did 165 pounds press-behind-the-neck smooth and easy for reps. I won’t tell you about chins or any other bar exercise - the guy did five strict chins with two 45 pound plates hanging from his waist and didn’t even break a sweat! I’m telling you he is a BEAST.

And what’s this bullshit that gymnasts are not the strongest? I’m a powerlifter and in powerlifting we measure relative strength - that’s why we have weight classes. Well, I am yet to see a powerlifter weighing 150 pounds do such weights. I was impressed - there was I weighing 235 pounds, bench pressing 400 and this little guy who is a bit taller than my elbow level and yet amazingly strong. When it comes to relative strength weightlifters and gymnasts rule. We powerlifters use too much gear. In Bulgaria there are a lot of weightlifters as well. You should see them train. How about a 175 pound guy getting a clean olympic style (that means ass to grass) 660 pound squat with nothing more than a belt on him. I’ve witnessed this with my own eyes! It’s fucking amazing!!! The irony is that this guy is only a mediocre weightlifter in Bulgaria and didn’t even make the national team - he’s got poor technique I think.

  1. curlings 65 dumbells and doing chins with 90 at 150 is good, but not amazing.
  2. A 175 guy could clean 660 pounds and has poor technique?? Not possible. I also highly doubt he could clean anywhere near that much. THe olympic record for super heavyweights in the clean and jerk is not even 600 lbs. [/quote]

He said a clean 660 pound squat, not a 660 pound clean.

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Let’s bring this thread back to the rings:

Looks like fun!

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gymnist exhibit great strength endurance for the upper body. sprinters are great for lower body, olympic lifters are the greatest at force production, and powerlifters are great at maximum loads. then you have the strongman competitors who need all that stuff. laters pk

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I’d be interested to see how many people in any type of strength sport could do the straddle planche push-ups or the one handed front lever shown in that gymnastics article.

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[quote]Biocidal13 wrote:
I’d be interested to see how many people in any type of strength sport could do the straddle planche push-ups or the one handed front lever shown in that gymnastics article.[/quote]

I’d be interested to see how many gymnasts that can do a straddle planche pushup bench press 600 lbs without a bench shirt, or deadlift +900 lbs, or clean and jeak +500 lbs, or run a sub 10 second 100 meter…

gymnasts are very impressive, but they are no where near the strongest guys on the planet if that’s what you’re getting at…

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I’ll be able to do that if I also weighed 120 lbs soaking wet…

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[quote]DPH wrote:
Biocidal13 wrote:
I’d be interested to see how many people in any type of strength sport could do the straddle planche push-ups or the one handed front lever shown in that gymnastics article.

I’d be interested to see how many gymnasts that can do a straddle planche pushup bench press 600 lbs without a bench shirt, or deadlift +900 lbs, or clean and jeak +500 lbs, or run a sub 10 second 100 meter…

gymnasts are very impressive, but they are no where near the strongest guys on the planet if that’s what you’re getting at…[/quote]

I wasn’t trying to be a smart ass so there is no need to mock me. I wasn’t saying they are the strongest guys in the world. In all seriousness I’d just be curious to see how many athletes could do that. See how benching pressing like twice your weight translates into the static holds.

I don’t think anyone weighing 165 is going to do any of those lifts raw regardless of who you are. I don’t really know what the exact records, but those numbers are pretty high. Regardless, I get what you’re saying though.

Why would you talk about a sub 10 for 100m when we are talking weight lifting and static holds?

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[quote]danew wrote:
I guarantee there aren’t olympic lifts who could do that[/quote]

You are correct, there are no snatches or clean and jerks that can perform that maneuver.

-Dan

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[quote]MikeSh wrote:

  1. curlings 65 dumbells and doing chins with 90 at 150 is good, but not amazing.
  2. A 175 guy could clean 660 pounds and has poor technique?? Not possible. I also highly doubt he could clean anywhere near that much. THe olympic record for super heavyweights in the clean and jerk is not even 600 lbs. [/quote]

Hi MikeSh,

Well, I’d consider curling 130 lbs for reps at a bodyweight of 136 lbs (Jovtchev weighs 136 lbs, not 150 lbs) would be pretty impressive (perhaps not amazing, but impressive nonetheless), especially since gymnasts don’t do curls as part of their regular training programs.

No, I wouldn’t consider chinning with 90 lbs to be all that impressive either. But, it seemed from the original post that this wasn’t even close to Jovtchev’s max.

As far as the clean, what is really amazing is that Naim Suleymanoglu (aka “the pocket Hercules”) clean and jerked 413 1/4 lbs (and snatched 325 lbs!) in the featherweight division, at a bodyweight of only 136 lbs. That’s a triple bodyweight clean and jerk! Talk about amazing.

Still, I’d hesistate to argue with gymnasts being among the strongest groups of athletes (on a pound for pound basis). I recall Coach Sommer writing that one of his athletes deadlifted nearly 3 times his bodyweight in a deadlift the on his very first day performing the exercise. That’s world class strength, period. If this athlete had then focused on deadlifting, he probably could have been a very successful powerlifter in his weight class.

Good training,

Sentoguy

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
Let’s bring this thread back to the rings:

Looks like fun![/quote]

Wow, I must be invisible.

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
Miserere wrote:
Let’s bring this thread back to the rings:

Looks like fun!

Wow, I must be invisible.[/quote]

stop wearing camo. cool video